There is no good reason for US to avoid Vietnam anniversary

Are these troops mostly from the North, or were they handpicked from the South just for this event? I've always heard that people from Southern China are usually shorter than Northerners, but not really sure what the average height in the South is.
They are a detachment under the Chinese honor guard brigade. The members of the honor guard brigade come from all over the country, both from the south and the north. In fact, the height difference between southerners and northerners in China is not that big nowadays.
 
the only concession I think of is Vietnam gov didn’t invite army troops from Russia, Ukraine and North korea. the latter is most likely a provocation to the US.
Germany was also not invited to the World War II anniversary parades in Russia and France. Nor was Japan invited to China's War Memorial Day parade. Still you Vietnamese know how to play the game, the Vietnam War anniversary parade actually invited the Americans. The Americans refused to participate, and you went ahead and condemned it?
 
Germany was also not invited to the World War II anniversary parades in Russia and France. Nor was Japan invited to China's War Memorial Day parade. Still you Vietnamese know how to play the game, the Vietnam War anniversary parade actually invited the Americans. The Americans refused to participate, and you went ahead and condemned it?
all are rumours and speculation. from the official media Vietnam foreign ministry just refused NYT report.
the US is free to attend or not to attend.

actually this victory parade makes a lot of fuss because it involves the US, also Saigon.
people South of Vietnam rarely see the army in public in contrast to the North of Vietnam.
there are guards soldiers in many places in Hanoi. you hardly see any soldiers in Saigon.

to compare to
the victory parade over the French army, liberation of Hanoi, it goes almost unnoticed.
Also, the French are free to decide attend or not attend.

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all are rumours and speculation. from the official media Vietnam foreign ministry refused NYT report.
the US is free to attend or not to attend.
actually this victory parade makes a lot of fuss because it involves the US, also Saigon.
people South of Vietnam rarely see the army in public in contrast to the North of Vietnam.
there are guards soldiers in many places in Hanoi. you hardly see any soldiers in Saigon.


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Most of the people out there on the sidewalks, especially the younger crowd, are just cheering and screaming without really understanding what they're even supporting. Their political awareness is close to zero. A lot of them are just caught up in the hype, driven by a mix of blind nationalism and plain curiosity. It's a sad reflection of where Vietnam is as a society, and definitely not something to be proud of.

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Most of the people out there on the sidewalks, especially the younger crowd, are just cheering and screaming without really understanding what they're even supporting. Their political awareness is close to zero. A lot of them are just caught up in the hype, driven by a mix of blind nationalism and plain curiosity. It's a sad reflection of where Vietnam is as a society, and definitely not something to be proud of.

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I think not a problem. I notice the Chinese people liberation army get the most appraisal.
Saigoners rarely see the army in public, least foreign armies.
the last time the southerners see such parade was with the Republican army together with the allied armies of Thailand, South Korea, Philippines, Australia, New Zealand.

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Americans are notorious sore losers. they had no problem attending the Japanese memorial of war a few days ago, only because they won

the US military lost over 8000 aircraft in Vietnam... it's hard to find a more bitter defeat than that in modern human history
The Soviet Union lost over 40000 aircraft during World War II. Even in times of the Vietnam War, dumb bombs were commonly used and aircraft were vulnerable to AA guns.

The US used advanced munition in Operation Linebacker II in 1972 - Vietcong suffered heavy losses in this operation and decided to negotiate with the US. But Nixon did not change his decision to abandon South Vietnam and allowed North Vietnam to annex South Vietnam in 1975.

Both the US and China have MASSIVE technological superiority over Vietnam in current times. The US can now bomb a regional power from a distance and suffer minimum losses in the exchange. Lessons learned from the past and times have changed.
 
I think not a problem. I notice the Chinese people liberation army get the most appraisal.
Saigoners rarely see the army in public, least foreign armies.
the last time the southerners see such parade was with the Republican army together with the allied armies of Thailand, South Korea, Philippines, Australia, New Zealand.

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The issue isn't about who they're cheering for. It's about their overall lack of political awareness.

Mr. Phan Dien: We have overcome 'communist arrogance'​


After 1975, the winner's arrogance was one of the causes of many crises that made Vietnam "pay a painful price", former Politburo member and former permanent member of the Secretariat, Phan Dien shared with VnExpress.

- This year marks the 30th anniversary of the 6th Party Congress - the pivotal Congress that made the decision on Renovation. When you think of "the night before Renovation", what do you remember most?

- Recalling the subsidy period, I immediately remember the shortages, from food, fish sauce, salt to common consumer goods such as towels, soap, needles, threads...

Leaders began to feel the difficulties that the country was enduring, in addition to objective causes, there were also subjective causes due to our incorrect way of doing things, the state's management of society and the economy was somewhat unreasonable. For example, the 5% of land reserved for members had very high productivity, but the productivity of the common land of the cooperative was very low.

- After the country's reunification, what options does Vietnam have when deciding on the economic and social management model, sir?

- Every decision comes from a specific historical context. Looking back now, there is time to reflect, but at that time the situation was very complicated and urgent. The war had not ended long ago, everything was still in disarray, then the country entered two wars against invaders at the southwestern and northern borders.

The mainstream thinking at that time was that the North must certainly continue to build socialism according to the economic model being implemented before the war.

The question is what should the economic path of the South be like? The Party and the State have decided that the South must follow the path of the North. In the South, we decided to quickly reform the economy to socialism, abolish the private economy, promote cooperativization, and widely build agricultural cooperatives.

The entire economy strived to rapidly expand the state-owned economy and the collective economy, striving to complete socialist transformation and build new production relations in a relatively short time. This was also the only economic model that Vietnam knew at that time, and which the entire socialist bloc had been applying.

- At that time, was there any other way for the Southern economy when there were already seeds of private economy and market economy?

- After the reunification, in the first conferences of the Central Committee discussing the economic development policy of the South, initially, there was a proposal among the leadership: with the unique historical characteristics of the South, should we let the private economy and the market economy continue to develop for a while? If there is any reform, it needs to be tested step by step, cautiously, and experience should be learned while doing it... However, this idea has not received consensus from the collective. The Party and State leaders have decided to continue applying the economic model of the North.

- Looking back at the successes and shortcomings of that stage management method, what do you think we could have done differently?

- In my personal opinion, at that time we can follow the suggestions of some comrades as mentioned above, that is, do not rush to immediately carry out the socialist reform of the entire economy. Let the South continue to exist and develop a multi-ownership, multi-sector economy, including the private economy...

- So what do you think caused us to make the wrong moves and pay the price?

- I think we have more or less become subjective, which can be called "communist arrogance" after the 1975 victory. This can be understood as stemming from pride in our ideals and successes on the revolutionary path, but then going too far into a subjective tendency...

In Vietnam after the country's reunification, subjectivity is probably more evident in other areas. As for the economy, it is not arrogance but mainly due to a perception that is not suitable for reality and not in accordance with objective laws. We are too lacking in knowledge and experience, and we are convinced that the way of doing things in socialist countries is the only correct way, and that is all that must be learned. Moreover, the mainstream mentality at this time is "North and South have reunited as one family, if there are conditions to bring the whole country onto the path of socialism, there is no reason to hesitate".

https://vnexpress.net/ong-phan-dien-chung-ta-da-vuot-qua-su-kieu-ngao-cong-san-3514783.html
 
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The issue isn't about who they're cheering for. It's about their overall lack of political awareness.

Mr. Phan Dien: We have overcome 'communist arrogance'​


After 1975, the winner's arrogance was one of the causes of many crises that made Vietnam "pay a painful price", former Politburo member and former permanent member of the Secretariat, Phan Dien shared with VnExpress.

- This year marks the 30th anniversary of the 6th Party Congress - the pivotal Congress that made the decision on Renovation. When you think of "the night before Renovation", what do you remember most?

- Recalling the subsidy period, I immediately remember the shortages, from food, fish sauce, salt to common consumer goods such as towels, soap, needles, threads...

Leaders began to feel the difficulties that the country was enduring, in addition to objective causes, there were also subjective causes due to our incorrect way of doing things, the state's management of society and the economy was somewhat unreasonable. For example, the 5% of land reserved for members had very high productivity, but the productivity of the common land of the cooperative was very low.

- After the country's reunification, what options does Vietnam have when deciding on the economic and social management model, sir?

- Every decision comes from a specific historical context. Looking back now, there is time to reflect, but at that time the situation was very complicated and urgent. The war had not ended long ago, everything was still in disarray, then the country entered two wars against invaders at the southwestern and northern borders.

The mainstream thinking at that time was that the North must certainly continue to build socialism according to the economic model being implemented before the war.

The question is what should the economic path of the South be like? The Party and the State have decided that the South must follow the path of the North. In the South, we decided to quickly reform the economy to socialism, abolish the private economy, promote cooperativization, and widely build agricultural cooperatives.

The entire economy strived to rapidly expand the state-owned economy and the collective economy, striving to complete socialist transformation and build new production relations in a relatively short time. This was also the only economic model that Vietnam knew at that time, and which the entire socialist bloc had been applying.

- At that time, was there any other way for the Southern economy when there were already seeds of private economy and market economy?

- After the reunification, in the first conferences of the Central Committee discussing the economic development policy of the South, initially, there was a proposal among the leadership: with the unique historical characteristics of the South, should we let the private economy and the market economy continue to develop for a while? If there is any reform, it needs to be tested step by step, cautiously, and experience should be learned while doing it... However, this idea has not received consensus from the collective. The Party and State leaders have decided to continue applying the economic model of the North.

- Looking back at the successes and shortcomings of that stage management method, what do you think we could have done differently?

- In my personal opinion, at that time we can follow the suggestions of some comrades as mentioned above, that is, do not rush to immediately carry out the socialist reform of the entire economy. Let the South continue to exist and develop a multi-ownership, multi-sector economy, including the private economy...

- So what do you think caused us to make the wrong moves and pay the price?

- I think we have more or less become subjective, which can be called "communist arrogance" after the 1975 victory. This can be understood as stemming from pride in our ideals and successes on the revolutionary path, but then going too far into a subjective tendency...

In Vietnam after the country's reunification, subjectivity is probably more evident in other areas. As for the economy, it is not arrogance but mainly due to a perception that is not suitable for reality and not in accordance with objective laws. We are too lacking in knowledge and experience, and we are convinced that the way of doing things in socialist countries is the only correct way, and that is all that must be learned. Moreover, the mainstream mentality at this time is "North and South have reunited as one family, if there are conditions to bring the whole country onto the path of socialism, there is no reason to hesitate".

https://vnexpress.net/ong-phan-dien-chung-ta-da-vuot-qua-su-kieu-ngao-cong-san-3514783.html
oh well, when you are young there are plentiful parties. we shouldn’t blame the youth.
good
he admitted the mistakes.
I think the biggest strategic mistake ever was angering the Chinese.
the one side bet on USSR was proven as dead end.
 
probably too much

actually we invite every former enemy to victory parade be the US, France, Mongolia or Thailand
for the victory over Thailand and Cambodia we have erected victory monuments.
because of sensitivity there is no victory monument over America if I am not wrong.
Damn, Vietnam is seriously kicking ass, you actually defeated all invaders.
 
Are these troops mostly from the North, or were they handpicked from the South just for this event? I've always heard that people from Southern China are usually shorter than Northerners, but not really sure what the average height in the South is.
I can hear some Vietnamnese girls shouting, 很好看,我爱你。
 
I can hear some Vietnamnese girls shouting, 很好看,我爱你。
https://kenh14.vn/my-nam-bo-doi-lao...a-co-11-trieu-nguoi-me-215250425104524826.chn

Nothing new, they've been doing the exact same thing to the Laotians. The crowd is out there like it was a K-pop concert. If they actually saw it as a real Reunification Day, you would expect completely different behavior, or at the very least, they would show up with a whole different attitude.



This woman's actually from the North, and ironically, she's less brainwashed or ignorant than the Southerners out there at the event, just tagging along for the fun, without a clue what the day really stands for.
 
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personal taste
I prefer chinese girls.
long legs, sexy dress
hah

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Some Vietnamese girls are cute.
 

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