Time to help Iran: Here's Why

[arjunk]

akistan cannot afford to allow Israel to achieve air superiority over Tehran, as this would grant the Israeli Air Force unchallenged dominance over Iranian airspace,

Buddy they already have air supremacy over Iran. I will avoid saying this on the Iranian thread because I don't want to make Iranians feel bad. I genuinely feel sorry for Iranian people.

But you need to stop listening to braindead IRGC fanboys claiming 6 F-35s shot down, they are just as delusional as Indians.

And if the west wanted to take over Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, they would've done it when the Taliban was 20 miles from Islamabad and 2008 Mumbai attacks happened.

The West doesn't need Israeli air supremacy to threaten our existence, the USN and USAF already de facto rule the world's skies except over China. Neither will Israeli-style strikes work on Pakistani nukes, that ship sailed decades ago.

And before some blue haired PTI activist comes and starts blabbing about Musharraf, WOT, junta and whiskey, just know that Iran fully supported the US invasion of Afghanistan

 

[arjunk]

ran has regularly needled India wrt kashmir, even very recently. Iran is no friend of anyone. Irane thinks of itself as the Caliph and tries to act tough which irritates everyone.

They haven't 'needled' India, they've given very generic statements of concern over human rights as they have with areas of Pakistan like Kurram. And that too shows extreme patience on the part of the Iranians, considering the number of times India has backstabbed Iran.

 

[samejjangir]

They haven't 'needled' India, they've given very generic statements of concern over human rights as they have with areas of Pakistan like Kurram. And that too shows extreme patience on the part of the Iranians, considering the number of times India has backstabbed Iran.

India has never backstabbed Iran. India doesn't have any alliance or deep ties with Iran. Backstabbing happens only between allies which India never claimed to be.

Patience has been shown by India, not Iran. India hasn't interfered in Iranian internal affairs while Iran actively tries to exert its influence on muslims in India. India doesn't like the Islamist attitude of Iran like Iranian president visiting India and behaving like a mullah addressing muslims. Iran has no rights to talk about Kashmir as it is not something that affects it. It is not that India doesn't have problems with Islamist policies of Iran but that India knows to not poke around without reason.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Somebody tell K Asif to keep his mouth shut. He should consider retirement.

Sounding like a ranting old uncle now.

Any comments from the government need to be calculated.

Pakistan's $40 billion package from the WB begins next year along with mineral trade. We are finally on the path to a developed country. Many have lived through poverty and war. They deserve some good times now and the leaders have a responsibility to avoid any future wars.

 

[baqai]

Israel doesn't need iran for that, they can and will use India for that purpose like they recently did in a limited way (drone pilots are said to be israeli's) unless indian govt chickens out

 

[safriz]

What happened to Iranian air defence and air force?
Israelis are entering and leaving Iranian airspace at will.

 

[13 Assassins]

Personally I'd want Pakistan to stay out of it and the to seal their western borders and reign in the BLA.

 

[Path-Finder]

Pakistan cannot afford to allow Israel to achieve air superiority over Tehran, as this would grant the Israeli Air Force unchallenged dominance over Iranian airspace, posing a direct and existential threat to Pakistan’s security. Given the proximity between Pakistan and Iran, unrestricted Israeli operations near Pakistan’s western border could embolden future aggression, especially considering Israel’s past attempts to strike Pakistan’s nuclear facilities in 1984 and 1998. If Israel establishes control over Iranian skies, it could not only threaten Pakistan directly but also collaborate with India, creating a dangerous two-front scenario. A militarily dominant Israel in the region could share intelligence, technology, and even coordinate strikes with India, leaving Pakistan vulnerable to simultaneous threats from the east and west. This strategic nightmare would undermine Pakistan’s deterrence capabilities and destabilize the entire region. Therefore, supporting Iran’s air defense is not just an act of solidarity but a vital necessity for Pakistan’s survival. To counter this looming danger, Pakistan must strengthen alliances with Turkey, China, and Russia to bolster Iran’s defenses and ensure that neither Israel nor India can exploit the situation. Failing to act now could lead to an irreversible shift in the regional balance of power, putting Pakistan at the mercy of hostile adversaries. Proactive measures—including joint military exercises, advanced air defense systems, and diplomatic coordination—are essential to prevent this dual threat from materializing.

Sarkar, no. First they will have to step up fight for their borders. The help they need can be there for them. they have many players they have nurtured over the years in Iraq and Lebanon. Plus a decree can bring them even more support.

despite the negative diplomatic ties between Iran and Pakistan, Truth is If Iran falls to a pro western regime like that ISIS/Al Qaeda leader who is now leader of Syria, then we are f#cked. So we cannot allow the current setup in Iran to fall. Because what comes next will be VERY BAD.

 

[Path-Finder]

And before some blue haired PTI activist comes and starts blabbing about Musharraf, WOT, junta and whiskey, just know that Iran fully supported the US invasion of Afghanistan

blue haired! wth. not sure why you had to drag PTI into it!
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Iran was happy when its two enemies Taliban and Saddam in Iraq were taken out by devil America. Then they helped the US with their militia against ISIS in Iraq and the pro Iran gov in Iraq.

 

[nahtanbob]

Israel had air superiority in the first 48 hours. Iran airforce doesn't exist anymore

Iran has non-existent air force

Iran's air force acquisitions since the 1979 revolution is
small number of Chinese J-7
70+ Iraqi air force jets which were flown to Iran
maybe 2 squadrons of Sukhois

 

[Lulldapull]

An air force that cannot fly is really neither in the "air" nor a "force" at all, by definition.

Stop joking.......do rupay ka comment?

 

[FuturePAF]

Yes, Iran was being arrogant. It was talking big things without having the capability to back it. It was doing hard bargain with India, Russia & China despite having no other options in light of western sanctions. Iran badmouthed India wrt Kashmir, refused to give concessions on gas fields to India. It also drove hard bargain with China, seeking large investments and other trade deal for $5 discount on its oil. Even with Russia, it was trying to act like an equal partner taking advantage of Russian lack of sea access in Asia. In contrast, the Arab states have been generous in doling out investments and concessionary oil and gas sales to important partners, with little conditions and no hard bargaining.

India, also does hard bargains but unlike Iran, India has the capability to back it up with technological advancements, defence might and strategic leverage. Even India shows soft nature to its long term friends like Russia and acts as a bulwark against western domination. But Iran is just a loud mouth which has left it with no friends.

Iran would have been smarter to give China deep discounts to get Chinese diplomatic and military cover, especially after the last exchange with Israel. It failed to see the writing on the wall.

Just like Egypt survived the American resupply of Israel in the 1973 war with Soviet threat of intervention in the conflict. Iran should have leveraged its oil to build a “Superpower shield” to the threats it faced.

A key lesson for Pakistan; don’t lose your superpower shield; tier 1 relations with China.

 

[FuturePAF]

Iran has non-existent air force

Iran's air force acquisitions since the 1979 revolution is
small number of Chinese J-7
70+ Iraqi air force jets which were flown to Iran
maybe 2 squadrons of Sukhois

Iran might as well try to fly whatever remains of its jets to Tajikistan to try to safe them, or try to hide them in underground bunkers.

Btw, seeing the tomcats destroyed on the ground was really sad.

At best Iran could reconstitute its Air Force in the form of UCAVs, if it survived this conflict with the resources and regime to be able to do it.

 

[iblini]

It's too late to play catch up, Chinese airforce spent 5 years on maturing the tactics, both in the air and ground radar systems etc after inducting J20, so you may assume how long it gonna takes for the Iranian to built a modern airforce from the ground even they are receiving equipments from today.

 

[Fatman17]

Or, it could be as simple as they don't have the range even with the additional tanks they now have.

Israel has limited air refueling capability. Those aircraft are not going to be at risk over Iranian airspace. Perhaps Iraqi but even then I'm skeptical that would allow the IAF the range needed to operate deep in Eastern Iran.

The yanks are coming. 26 air refuelers on the way