Time to help Iran: Here's Why

[Pak-Warrior]

Just a genuine question, not trying to troll. Isn’t the development or use of nuclear weapons considered haram in Islam, especially given their indiscriminate and mass-destructive nature?

A weapon is a weapon. Infact Islam tells muslims to be prepared for war. If your opponents have means to terminate you that you must acquire the same means.
It would be actually HARAM to not have nuclear weapons IF your opponent has those.

 

[harpy1]

My lord you want to help Iran against Israel and USA
Don't you think you have enough trouble with right wing Hindu fascist modi and co
Having seen Indian missiles falling all over your cities and bases I surely keeping powerful countries on board with you like USA and co is better than making USA and Israel enemies
I would stick to dealing with your existential threat on the East
That story is not going away
Let Iran sort out their Mess

 

[Indos]

Also time to tell China to get involved. They would regret the most if Iran falls. Plus Pakistan needs to develop ICBM and SLBM, it should be clear by now that we would be next. Produce more nuclear warheads and have some in deployed condition work on long range missiles for conventional strikes also. And increase the size of Air Force.

China is a country with strategic thinking when the power is hold by Han. Patience nation and see Far East as its back yard.

They dont have any interest on waging conflict outside Far East Region. China only become aggressive within Far East Region and it has the gut to go against USA in Far East.

This is I would say China dont have any motivation to fight out side Far East. This has been shown since ancient time.

What China can do is to give moral and diplomatic support and supply ammunition and weapon to Iran

 

[VCheng]

He is clearly saying that Pakistan should act in what he believes is in Pakistan’s national interests, whether he is right or wrong is another matter.

How so? The first sentence presents an utterly false argument to begin with:

Pakistan cannot afford to allow Israel to achieve air superiority over Tehran, as this would grant the Israeli Air Force unchallenged dominance over Iranian airspace, posing a direct and existential threat to Pakistan’s security.

Let me make it clear: The direct and existential threats to Pakistan ALL come from within.

 

[ety]

Also time to tell China to get involved. They would regret the most if Iran falls. Plus Pakistan needs to develop ICBM and SLBM, it should be clear by now that we would be next. Produce more nuclear warheads and have some in deployed condition work on long range missiles for conventional strikes also. And increase the size of Air Force.

Do you think it's in China's interest to get into possible war with the US in the Middle East ? China will not get involved militarily directly. Assistance and in form of arms supplies maybe possible. Plus, China is not really Iran's strategic partner, Russia is their first choice, and then maybe India ? Though China doesn't want to see Iran ends up pro-US after the conflict.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Excellent topic.

Pakistan will be next

IF Iranians threat is over for Israelis. Its quite obvious that they will make their mission to get rid of Pakistan's nuclear capability. It will be very difficult given Pakistan already is a nuclear power and has ready nuclear warheads but still they will have their focus shifted at us. They can never be at peace if an islamic state has nuclear warheads. Its in their nature. Zionism considers any threat seriously and a threat that can become an existential threat is their top most priority.

How Pakistan can help Iran against Israel?

I see sometimes in YT comments, many Pakistanis asking that we did nothing to save GAZA. Israel slaughtered 50,000 people and many children but we kept looking other side. We are a sole nuclear power and its our responsibility being largest muslim country to do something about it. Those people have right emotions but they don't know about military warfare or geography, Pakistan had no means to do anything against Israel as Israeli war machine was 3000 KMs away. Our only weapon that could reach Israel is ShaheenIII and that is very expensive missile built only for nicbar & andaman islands and my guess is we may only have 5 to 10 units of it. None of our figher aircraft could reach Israel. We could only do anything against Israel if any other major Islamic country starts a war against Israel and then is our chance to help that country and do our moral, religious and humanity obligation. Now that time has arrived.

Now our help can solely be limited to defending Iranian airspace, defending Iranian civilians against Israeli stand off weapons. We call Iran a "brotherly nation". This is the least we can do, Our airforce J-10Cs can be flying over Iranian airspace with PL-15 missiles and supported by AEWC and intercept Israeli aircrafts that are launching SOWs. We will NOT be attacking israel's soil with missiles, we will only be helping "brotherly" nation defend against aggressor on Iran's own soil. Even UK, France sometimes help their friend Israel in intercepting Iranian missiles. Its in Pakistan's core interest to keep Iranian govt and its capabilities & economy intact. An unstable, Mosaad infected and destabilized Iran will be nightmare for us and Mosaad will turn its entire energy and resources towards us once their Iran project is over. BTW, Iran is resilient nation, I have very high hopes they can survive much worse attacks on their own. World order is slowing changing. China already has condemned Israel. Entire world is condemning it for Gaza genocide. UN, ICJ have passed multiple resolutions. No one will put sanctions on us to stand against a genocidal maniac. and age of United States launching massive wars and invasions is over. US left Afghanistan in presence of Taliban security the very regime it tried to topple for 20 years and Biden said we are leaving because we want to laser focus on China. So US has its own worry of China and it cannot lock itself in useless war and annoy other nations for Israel. Israel started an unjust war and we should support Iran in practical means not just diplomatically because IF Israel succeeds then we will be at the center of their all attention and MOSAAD will have special cells working on "Pakistan project". Right now they are working on Iranian project. Let's not let them successful in their Iranian project.

@RescueRanger @Zarvan

 

[ety]

China is a country with strategic thinking when the power is hold by Han. Patience nation and see Far East as its back yard.

They dont have any interest on waging conflict outside Far East Region. China only become aggressive within Far East Region and it has the gut to go against USA in Far East.

This is I would say China dont have any motivation to fight out side Far East. This has been shown since ancient time.

What China can do is to give moral and diplomatic support and supply ammunition and weapon to Iran

In my opinion, the only two foreign countries that are really critical to China's national security are Mongolia and North Korea(possibly the whole Korean peninsula). China will not tolerate outside armies esp from hostile countries to be stationed in those two areas, that is a red line any time, China will not hesitate to send armies to fight. And yes, Far East region is very important to China in security, economy and cultures too.

 

[m52k85]

PAF will have 10 mins station time in Iran and will need to fight of attacks from three axis. Even if one assumes the militaries function in bubbles outside politics and economics, it is not viable option.

 

[wangdefa]

Excellent topic.

Pakistan will be next

IF Iranians threat is over for Israelis. Its quite obvious that they will make their mission to get rid of Pakistan's nuclear capability. It will be very difficult given Pakistan already is a nuclear power and has ready nuclear warheads but still they will have their focus shifted at us. They can never be at peace if an islamic state has nuclear warheads. Its in their nature. Zionism considers any threat seriously and a threat that can become an existential threat is their top most priority.

How Pakistan can help Iran against Israel?

I see sometimes in YT comments, many Pakistanis asking that we did nothing to save GAZA. Israel slaughtered 50,000 people and many children but we kept looking other side. We are a sole nuclear power and its our responsibility being largest muslim country to do something about it. Those people have right emotions but they don't know about military warfare or geography, Pakistan had no means to do anything against Israel as Israeli war machine was 3000 KMs away. Our only weapon that could reach Israel is ShaheenIII and that is very expensive missile built only for nicbar & andaman islands and my guess is we may only have 5 to 10 units of it. None of our figher aircraft could reach Israel. We could only do anything against Israel if any other major Islamic country starts a war against Israel and then is our chance to help that country and do our moral, religious and humanity obligation. Now that time has arrived.

Now our help can solely be limited to defending Iranian airspace, defending Iranian civilians against Israeli stand off weapons. We call Iran a "brotherly nation". This is the least we can do, Our airforce J-10Cs can be flying over Iranian airspace with PL-15 missiles and supported by AEWC and intercept Israeli aircrafts that are launching SOWs. We will NOT be attacking israel's soil with missiles, we will only be helping "brotherly" nation defend against aggressor on Iran's own soil. Even UK, France sometimes help their friend Israel in intercepting Iranian missiles. Its in Pakistan's core interest to keep Iranian govt and its capabilities & economy intact. An unstable, Mosaad infected and destabilized Iran will be nightmare for us and Mosaad will turn its entire energy and resources towards us once their Iran project is over. BTW, Iran is resilient nation, I have very high hopes they can survive much worse attacks on their own. World order is slowing changing. China already has condemned Israel. Entire world is condemning it for Gaza genocide. UN, ICJ have passed multiple resolutions. No one will put sanctions on us to stand against a genocidal maniac. and age of United States launching massive wars and invasions is over. US left Afghanistan in presence of Taliban security the very regime it tried to topple for 20 years and Biden said we are leaving because we want to laser focus on China. So US has its own worry of China and it cannot lock itself in useless war and annoy other nations for Israel. Israel started an unjust war and we should support Iran in practical means not just diplomatically because IF Israel succeeds then we will be at the center of their all attention and MOSAAD will have special cells working on "Pakistan project". Right now they are working on Iranian project. Let's not let them successful in their Iranian project.

@RescueRanger @Zarvan

Israel made a phone call to India: "I hold Pakistan at the front, you can sneak attack in the rear.". And then Pakistan, game over.
Pakistan needs to remember the lesson of Iran. You simply cannot fight two wars at the same time. Your army can only protect its own country. Instead of playing geopolitics.
Sometimes ambition and strength should be equal. Don't learn from India. Strength can't keep up with ambition.
This is why Pakistan can defeat India. Pakistan knows the strength of the enemy. And target his weaknesses.

 

[Baadil]

How so? The first sentence presents an utterly false argument to begin with:



Let me make it clear: The direct and existential threats to Pakistan ALL come from within.

He is saying Israel control of Iranian airspace would be an existential threat to Pakistan. Therefore it would be in Pakistan’s national interest to deter this. You are disagreeing it is in Pakistan’s national interest, but both of you are still approaching the situation with stated concern for Pakistan’s national interests.

Are there no circumstances where a country getting involved in “someone else’s war” would be in that country’s national interest?

 

[VCheng]

He is saying Israel control of Iranian airspace would be an existential threat to Pakistan.

Really? Please tell us why one can think so? Who controls Iranian airspace has absolutely no connection with the real dangers to Pakistan at all.

 

[Baadil]

Really? Please tell us why one can think so? Who controls Iranian airspace has absolutely no connection with the real dangers to Pakistan at all.

Given the proximity between Pakistan and Iran, unrestricted Israeli operations near Pakistan’s western border could embolden future aggression, especially considering Israel’s past attempts to strike Pakistan’s nuclear facilities in 1984 and 1998. If Israel establishes control over Iranian skies, it could not only threaten Pakistan directly but also collaborate with India, creating a dangerous two-front scenario. A militarily dominant Israel in the region could share intelligence, technology, and even coordinate strikes with India, leaving Pakistan vulnerable to simultaneous threats from the east and west. This strategic nightmare would undermine Pakistan’s deterrence capabilities and destabilize the entire region. Therefore, supporting Iran’s air defense is not just an act of solidarity but a vital necessity for Pakistan’s survival. To counter this looming danger, Pakistan must strengthen alliances with Turkey, China, and Russia to bolster Iran’s defenses and ensure that neither Israel nor India can exploit the situation. Failing to act now could lead to an irreversible shift in the regional balance of power, putting Pakistan at the mercy of hostile adversaries. Proactive measures—including joint military exercises, advanced air defense systems, and diplomatic coordination—are essential to prevent this dual threat from materializing

Well here is OP’s argument
I don’t see any discounting of what you may believe to be the “real dangers”, maybe unless you believe the real danger is Israel and its allies failing to achieve their perceived objectives

 

[VCheng]

Well here is OP’s argument

It is not an argument. It is merely unsupported conjectures without a shred of evidence.

 

[tower9]

China is a country with strategic thinking when the power is hold by Han. Patience nation and see Far East as its back yard.

They dont have any interest on waging conflict outside Far East Region. China only become aggressive within Far East Region and it has the gut to go against USA in Far East.

This is I would say China dont have any motivation to fight out side Far East. This has been shown since ancient time.

What China can do is to give moral and diplomatic support and supply ammunition and weapon to Iran

That’s exactly what will happen and is happening.

 

[Foinikas]

Wrong. A cyber attack and the attack on the leadership paralysed all AD. There is absolutely no images of destroyed Iranian planes on the ground. It is as intact as it was initially.

Iranian AD is working.

We have so far seen no evidence of their claimed kills. Let's see.

Come on dude