Trump ally Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

[Antonius123]

I ignored this moron long ago. Plays the victim, blames the victim.

Pretends Israel wants peace, when in reality Israel by nature wants more land. It's nature is a a Jewish supremacist state on land populated by non-jews. Violence, terrorism, genocide is therefore inevitable.

They then have to change reality to fit their narrative and hasbarra. Israel is a cancer and chemotherapy, despite all the side effects, is the only rational conclusion.

Israel has already taken control of these territories after defending itself against aggression from surrounding Arab nations. If Israel’s primary goal were simply land acquisition, there would be no incentive to consider returning any part of it to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

Historically, many of the major conflicts were initiated by Arab states or Palestinian factions, prompting Israel to take defensive actions. Yet despite this, it is often Palestinian leadership and their supporters who portray themselves as perpetual victims, while ignoring or downplaying their own role in provoking conflict.

 

[Antonius123]

Few properties were bought, mostly in the Ottoman era, the land during British mandate was seized from Palestinians. This process has continued to this day as we see in Gaza and West Bank, Israelis continue to attack Palestinians and seize their lands. Israel also refuses Palestinian refugees from coming back to their homes and lands. It's why the Palestinians are refugees in the first place.

You sound identical to Israelis that I have encountered before, same lies, same fake history , same obfuscation and same justifications for violence and land theft. Please update your flags.

Just show us the evidence of which arab properties were illegally seized.

You have seen the evidence arab properties purchased by jews already.

 

[Watandar]

Israel has already taken control of these territories after defending itself against aggression from surrounding Arab nations. If Israel’s primary goal were simply land acquisition, there would be no incentive to consider returning any part of it to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

Historically, many of the major conflicts were initiated by Arab states or Palestinian factions, prompting Israel to take defensive actions. Yet despite this, it is often Palestinian leadership and their supporters who portray themselves as perpetual victims, while ignoring or downplaying their own role in provoking conflict.

Attacking natives and stealing land and crushing their rights and futures is not "defending yourself". Israel has been an aggressor since the very beginning and guilty of the worst legal and moral crimes, then spends tons of money and effort to convince the world that actually the Palestinians and Muslims are the bad guy.

this money and effort to deceive the world is called "hasbara". Its what you are engaging in. Many trolls on internet are paid Hasbara.

 

[Watandar]

Just show us the evidence of which arab properties were illegally seized.

You have seen the evidence arab properties purchased by jews already.

I can provide mountains of evidence you will just dismiss it and go back to Hasbara.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208638/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00263206.2017.1372427#abstract

 

[j_hungary]

Cancel culture is a tactic as part of the culture war. The left went too far and the electorate pushed back. Trump and MAGA will push their agenda as far as they take it and many are aware that now is a now or never moment to push, and accept the pendulum will swing back, as fundamentally younger people are socially liberal, especially women, as defined by that new poll on goals (what people define as success).

Roe vs. Wade was one example.

All this culture war stuff will advance or recede on the back of how the economy is doing over the next 12 months. Hysteria will die down if the economy faults and people have real priorities to focus back upon. 9/11 hysteria didn’t really fully die down till the 2008 Great Recession.

I will say 911 hysteria still exists today, it hasn't die down in 2008, I mean all you need is to listen to some right-wing pundit rhetoric, they aren't hard to find at all.

The issue with the 2024 election is disenfranchising people. When you look at the total number of votes against voting eligibility, the biggest voting group in the 2024 election is not the GOP, it's people who didn't vote. This created a problem for the Democrats because they were counting on people to do the right thing and come out to vote, they know their base is less than MAGA, which mean when people don't come out to vote, that doomed their campaign, and people don't come out to vote simply because they think voting is pointless because you are talking about Trump vs Harris, honestly, both candidate is bad.

2026 and 2028 are going to be a different landscape, 2026 is going to be a referendum for Trump, if none of his policies (mostly tariffs) are picked up, then GOP is going to lose 2026, and if Trump policy picked up late 2025 and early 2026, then GOP will win regardless of what the Dem throw at them and 2028 will be a referendum for Republicans and MAGA, if people are too sick of MAGA and Republican, then regardless of what is the dem pick.

Unless people are interested in Politics again, we are going to be pulled on both sides of the extreme spectrum, because people are too indifferent to their country and if Trump and the GOP lose in 2026, we can see a more socialist bounce back for the Democrats. Which I personally consider worse than Trump, and you know I hated Trump

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Individuals acting in a personal capacity, attempting to convince the public to boycott or ‘cancel’ someone or something, is far different from the State using its influence and power to repress speech and individuals.

When did the ‘Left’ use the FCC to threaten broadcasters?

When did a Democratic President threaten reporters asking difficult questions?

What has become obvious in all of this is that not only is the current Republican party and its supporters a cesspool of corrupt racists and degenerates supporting genocide and pedophilia, but also the biggest bunch of whiny snowflakes on the planet.

You perhaps remember when the Biden Administration was actively working with Big Tech to censor the speech of those whom they disagreed with?

Or perhaps Hillary Clinton calling for social media to censor more else they (the left) loses control?

It wasn't long after Dianne Feinstein suggested that they (the govt.) revisit the Fairness Doctrine that a number of conservative-leaning talk shows were removed from the air.

Or how hard the left pushed to have Limbaugh pulled off the air.

I could go on and on with many examples of the left either controlling or trying to influence the narrative but I am not going to be able to change your opinion to see things from my point of view than you are me.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Just show us the evidence of which arab properties were illegally seized.

You have seen the evidence arab properties purchased by jews already.

Here’s just one, you genocide supporting hasbara troll:

Israel's Occupation: 50 Years of Dispossession

Mass human rights violations during the 50-year occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip have devastated the lives of millions of Palestinians.

www.amnesty.org

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

You perhaps remember when the Biden Administration was actively working with Big Tech to censor the speech of those whom they disagreed with?

If you’re referring to things like using bleach to cure COVID, then I fail to see what you’re concerned about since the government has a responsibility to counter misinformation that would threaten the general populace.

And again, was the FCC used to threaten broadcasters and did a Democratic President threaten reporters and broadcaster for asking difficult questions?

Quite (unsurprisingly) ironic that on a thread about Kirk, who I will admit did strongly defend free speech, you have no shame in justifying Trump’s fascist actions.

 

[Antonius123]

Here’s just one, you genocide supporting hasbara troll:

Israel's Occupation: 50 Years of Dispossession

Mass human rights violations during the 50-year occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip have devastated the lives of millions of Palestinians.

www.amnesty.org

Why bringing obsolete report?

WB is no longer occupied by Israel since long time ago, and Gaza since 2005.

And even if the report is true, still it doesn't justify Palestinian claim over Israel territory as theirs, nor justify terrorism attack in Oct 2023.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

If you’re referring to things like using bleach to cure COVID, then I fail to see what you’re concerned about since the government has a responsibility to counter misinformation that would threaten the general populace.

And again, was the FCC used to threaten broadcasters and did a Democratic President threaten reporters and broadcaster for asking difficult questions?

Quite (unsurprisingly) ironic that on a thread about Kirk, who I will admit did strongly defend free speech, you have no shame in justifying Trump’s fascist actions.

You are incorrect on all counts.

For the record, Biden had no issue calling Peter Doocy "a stupid sonuvabitch" or yelling at a young female reporter when she asked him a tough question. Or his "lying, dog-faced pony soldier" comment to some other female.

You also forget that Biden was working to set up a Department of Misinformation. Or how he had his DOJ and FBI investigate parents who spoke up at school board meetings.

Let's not be selective in our argument nor accusatory shall we?

Lastly, to the point of this thread; LOTS of posts in here, some admittedly by myself, have zero to do with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Staying on topic seems to be a common problem here. If you all are concerned with Kimmel now having been canceled, maybe consider starting a new thread rather than clogging this with irrelevant nonsense.

 

[j_hungary]

Individuals acting in a personal capacity, attempting to convince the public to boycott or ‘cancel’ someone or something, is far different from the State using its influence and power to repress speech and individuals.

When did the ‘Left’ use the FCC to threaten broadcasters?

When did a Democratic President threaten reporters asking difficult questions?

What has become obvious in all of this is that not only is the current Republican party and its supporters a cesspool of corrupt racists and degenerates supporting genocide and pedophilia, but also the biggest bunch of whiny snowflakes on the planet.

The entire Jimmy Kimmel episode is just bad optics, and the worse thing is, Kimmel wasn't even talking about Kirk, he was talking about MAGA need to stop pretending Robinson is not one of them, now I don't know if this is true or not, but that had nothing to do with Kirk or like many that had been "cancelled" by saying "Kirk bring this onto himself" or like that MSNBC guy that got fired by saying "When you say hateful things, you get hateful reaction" Kimmel is simply talking about the killer, not Kirk, that makes people really think if Kimmel was right, that Robinson were indeed a MAGA. Otherwise, there is no point for Trump and the White House to press on FCC to ban him.

I don't like Kirk, again, he is as much as Joy Reid or Rachel Maddow to me, I don't watch the view and I don't watch Turning Point. Nobody deserved to be shot for expressing their ideology, I will say that if Joy Reid or Rachel Maddow is assassinated. The issue here is, freedom of speech includes freedom to dislike anyone; it's like an old TV show said, you are free to dislike me as long as you are doing this for the right reason.

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If I cannot say "I don't like you" then the entire Freedom of Speech falls apart. And that goes to either side of the spectrum.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

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[Agnostic Muslim]

Why bringing obsolete report?

The old reports illustrate how Israeli atrocities and land theft have been ongoing since 1948. Why not google the reams of newer reports instead of blatantly lying on here?

Israel's occupation of Palestinian territory

Palestinians in Gaza continue to reel under Israel’s genocide against them, despite the signing of a fragile ceasefire.

www.amnesty.org

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

For the record, Biden had no issue calling Peter Doocy "a stupid sonuvabitch" or yelling at a young female reporter when she asked him a tough question. Or his "lying, dog-faced pony soldier" comment to some other female.

The issue isn’t simple ‘name calling’ - its the abuse of State power to issue threats to force broadcasters and journalists to change their opinions. Did Biden threaten their jobs and go after the broadcasters that employ them like the Pedophile in Chief is doing currently? Was the FCC used to threaten broadcasters under Biden or not?

And is this the department you’re referring to? Note what the intent and role is:

 

[Antonius123]

I can provide mountains of evidence you will just dismiss it and go back to Hasbara.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208638/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00263206.2017.1372427#abstract

But this is nakba or sort of ... during wartime happened after 1948 when arab palestinian leave and abandon the property and under israel laws the abandon property belong to government. It is different case.

What we were talking is illegal property seizure by jews before 1948, which barely happened.