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[dabbu]

Well, strangely enough, I had NEVER fired a P226 my whole life (Or any SIG pistol for that matter).......and I had shot probably over 500k rounds(maybe more).....all types.

And I am conflicted as to whether or not SIG P226 is any good, considering P320 did not have a good rep...

500k!

Either you were saw or the pig gunner, lol that's a lot of rounds.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Well, did you perform a barrel check regularly on your Glock? If you do, it would be A-OK, but for a novice shooter, they don't generally maintain their firearms (Especially folks that does not clean their barrel after use), which means they will have a nasty surprise sometime down the road. I own and shoot a Glock in Australia, too, since they are the cheapest and easiest to get here.

1911 for me is hit or miss. If you really love a firearm, that's the go-to gun you get, but I was once left with a choice: I could either go for a 1911 or a Colt Python, I went with the Python. Had not regretted it ever since, for me, the only firearm that beats a Python is a Colt SAA

When you are talking about CC, it's ALWAYS down to which firearms you are most comfortable with, if I am doing CC, I would probably carry a Glock, it's light weight, ergonomic, it's extremely well-suited for CAR, and as I said, I had never shoot a P220/P226/P320, so I have no reference point.

Am more than happy to put my shooting CV up against yours. My avatar alone should give you a hint I just might know a thing or two. 56+ years behind a trigger with numerous awards, etc.

 

[j_hungary]

Well Honestly I have no idea about the guns so I picked one solely based on looks, i like how small and compact Glock is, and from videos it feels like a small fire arm, not sure what kind of bullets goes in it 9mm maybe ?
But I bet there are more better and powerful or easy to shoot pistols out there, and until i go to some shooting range and shoot one in real life I can't say, even after agreeing that in USA one needs some sort of self defense weapon because of how things are i am still skeptical about owning a gun, I have a lot of convincing to do to myself before actually getting a gun if i ever decide to get one in the first place.

Glock can be anything, it could be 9mm (17, 19) or 40 cal (22) or .357 or .45 (Glock 24?) I don't know if Glock has 22 LR, but pretty sure you will have a Glock that fires all types of caliber.

Depends on what you are getting a firearm for, and what's your "skill level", how well you maintain it, and how you shoot. If you know nothing about firearms, I suggest you go to some range days and shoot whatever they have (they usually have everything) and then pick one that works for you. There arent any better way to answer your doubt than going to a range and finding out for yourself. You may like a bigger frame or a smaller frame, or you don't want to get anything at all because it could just be too dangerous (I know a few people decided not to get a gun after going to the range)

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Well, strangely enough, I had NEVER fired a P226 my whole life (Or any SIG pistol for that matter).......and I had shot probably over 500k rounds(maybe more).....all types.

And I am conflicted as to whether or not SIG P226 is any good, considering P320 did not have a good rep...

Well then, you're not qualified to talk about whether the SIG P226 is any good or not. I am.

The Brits loved theirs and they carried the HP for how many years prior to adopting the P226 for Operation Herrick. The SEALs chose the P226 over the M9 because the M9 was too heavy, the early frames were prone to cracking, and susceptible to jamming due to the sand and dirt in the desert environments. I qualified for my initial CCW with a P226 when others were running Glocks. 5 years later I re-qual'd with the P226. Since then, AZ has dropped the requal part for CCW renewals.

The P220 was the standard handgun for AZ Department of Public Safety for many years with the P226 being the approved alternate. Now they carry the P229 in .40S&W

I'll agree the P320 has issues with the internals. The hammer fired handguns don't.

 

[j_hungary]

It's niche I guess, especially given the cost, even the rounds are almost 2x for fmj's, Id be happy to loan mine to you for a range day if you are around DC/NY.

You can form a better opinion after that.

Umm, does it load special rounds (like different grain, I know some guns need a special load to not jam or explode in your face), or do you just buy what they recommend? I usually just load it myself, but again, I had not fired SIG before, strange that a round costs twice for FMJs....

Yeah, I will definitely hit you up if I were ever in the DC area, my family is in southwest PA, so we are about 2 hours away from DC. Probably not in the next 4 years, I don't want ICE to haul my arse in immigration detention.....I mean, being half Hispanic and half Asian and all....lol

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

500k!

Either you were saw or the pig gunner, lol that's a lot of rounds.

I have easily that many as well. My one NMAR will see every bit of 5000 rounds in a year.

Will typically take 2-3 handguns at a time out to the range. That will be a minimum of 150 or so rounds with each as I run various drills.

 

[Starlord]

Glock can be anything, it could be 9mm (17, 19) or 40 cal (22) or .357 or .45 (Glock 24?) I don't know if Glock has 22 LR, but pretty sure you will have a Glock that fires all types of caliber.

Depends on what you are getting a firearm for, and what's your "skill level", how well you maintain it, and how you shoot. If you know nothing about firearms, I suggest you go to some range days and shoot whatever they have (they usually have everything) and then pick one that works for you. There arent any better way to answer your doubt than going to a range and finding out for yourself. You may like a bigger frame or a smaller frame, or you don't want to get anything at all because it could just be too dangerous (I know a few people decided not to get a gun after going to the range)

Consider my Gun skill to be -10, not sure or know anything about Maintaining the gun. So you could say I am noob when it comes to Guns, all I know that its dangerous and can take lives.

You are right that I will eventually go to gun range to shoot off, now its not just only about seeing If i would want to get a gun, but also check off another thing from my bucket list. But I do understand that self defense is important in US specially if you live in country side or dangerous neighborhood.

 

[j_hungary]

500k!

Either you were saw or the pig gunner, lol that's a lot of rounds.

Well, considering I unloaded 5 boxes of SAW ammo on Taliban just 1 day, 500k sounded about right......I am 45. I started shooting when I was like 11 or 12, back in the US., Before joining the military, I shot maybe around 10 AR mags and 10 pistol mags a weekend, sometimes I also do that during the week. So I would say I shot about 100K in the 10 years as a civilian. Then I joined the military, and I am literally qualified for everything, from AR to Ma Duece. You need to put around 10k per weapon to qualify it (More if you go full auto or crew serve weapon), and then you also put regular range time and extended range time. I can shoot 15 to 20 AR mag a day, then I went to war twice, which then I lost track of how many rounds I had fired. But I will say over that 20-year period between the Military, Law Enforcement and being a sport shooter, I would most likely have fired 350 to 400k rounds.

I moved to Australia in 2012, and I still shoot. I have both an A and an H license and I have 4 firearms (A Glock 17 for IPSC, a Colt Python for Steel Silhouette, a M700 for rifle target, and a Browning A Bolt 300 for rifle Silhouette), and I need to fire them all in matches to keep every one of them. I usually go to the range every sat and sun (one for pistol and the other for rifle), so it's probably another 100k there

 

[Tamerlane]

You find the craziest stuff on social media.

1. A picture of Tyler Robinson shows him standing in front of a computer monitor showing an image of Goat Island, New Zealand.

2. Very near that spot is a resort called Valhalla Danish Resort.

3. Theory. Tyler Robinson may have volunteered to take the rap for the shooting in return for money and a comfortable life in New Zealand.

Te Hāwere-a-Maki / Goat Island

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[j_hungary]

Am more than happy to put my shooting CV up against yours. My avatar alone should give you a hint I just might know a thing or two. 56+ years behind a trigger with numerous awards, etc.

I don't have a fancy CV., I shoot because most of the time I have to. I mean to get things done, and when it's him or me, I just want to hit him before he hit me, I had an expert marksman badge for my Rifle Qualification, but all you need is to hit 40 targets within 300 yards; that's not anything difficult, especially since I grew up on a farm, I got used to bore sighting firearms, and a pistol proficiency badge; that's about it.

Most of the time, my CV is from local shooting clubs. I won an IPSC trophy once, and probably a few state matches, but that's about it. Many people shoot better than me.

 

[RescueRanger]

Or consider a M92F

A man of culture and refinement .

 

[j_hungary]

Well then, you're not qualified to talk about whether the SIG P226 is any good or not. I am.

The Brits loved theirs and they carried the HP for how many years prior to adopting the P226 for Operation Herrick. The SEALs chose the P226 over the M9 because the M9 was too heavy, the early frames were prone to cracking, and susceptible to jamming due to the sand and dirt in the desert environments. I qualified for my initial CCW with a P226 when others were running Glocks. 5 years later I re-qual'd with the P226. Since then, AZ has dropped the requal part for CCW renewals.

The P220 was the standard handgun for AZ Department of Public Safety for many years with the P226 being the approved alternate. Now they carry the P229 in .40S&W

I'll agree the P320 has issues with the internals. The hammer fired handguns don't.

I don't think I said I am qualified to talk about P220, I said I know nothing about it and I am not going to talk about that.

I mean, again, it's about yourself. When I do conceal carry, I don't generally have a choice; either the military or PD told me what I can carry. So, for me, I have to lean into it, but if people are getting CCW for their own protection, I think the major setting/reason should be how you feel about that firearm you are going to carry, and I think that is true on any firearm, not just Beretta, Glock ,or Sig Sauer

 

[Tamerlane]

A man of culture and refinement .

A real gentleman uses Walther PPK.

 

[j_hungary]

Consider my Gun skill to be -10, not sure or know anything about Maintaining the gun. So you could say I am noob when it comes to Guns, all I know that its dangerous and can take lives.

You are right that I will eventually go to gun range to shoot off, now its not just only about seeing If i would want to get a gun, but also check off another thing from my bucket list. But I do understand that self defense is important in US specially if you live in country side or dangerous neighborhood.

Firearms maintenance is just about oiling it, checking the springs (for pistols only, the slide recoil spring and the magazine spring), and then cleaning your barrel. You need to take down that pistol, but it's quite easy to do, just read the manual or ask the gun store people to show you how, it's quite easy to do, but like many thing easy to do, sometime some people just choose not to do it lol

Yeah, range day is a good way to know what type of firearms you want, or whether you want anything to begin with. There is nothing better than hands-on experience, safely, I would much rather you spend like $50 to shoot it first, then drop $450 for one and try to figure it out later.

 

[RescueRanger]

now its not just only about seeing If i would want to get a gun,

100% if you can afford one, get one, make sure its registered and legal, get hours practicing at a range, practice dry drills in your house clearing rooms in low light.

It's 100% better to have one and not need it, than to need one and not have it.

"Nature always sides with the hidden flaw."- Murphy's Law No.9