TTP wrap a man in Pakistan's flag and cut his head off

Leave the domestic politics out of national security issues. I absolutely hate military's political involvement but when it comes to security I 100% support and back Pakistan military for any action against anti-Pakistan elements.
Thing is domestic politics did change or clarify our perspective about how the military defines terrorism and terrorist.

If Tayyba raja , Sanam javed can be convicted as terrorists , and 10k unarmed civilians who were only protesting, can face the same fate.
Many of whom now under court martial in military courts.
I have genuine and serious doubts about whom the military calls terrorists and wants to start operation against them.
Same is now the mindset of millions in Pakistan for same reasons.
So yes domestic politics is relevant.
 
Thing is domestic politics did change or clarify our perspective about how the military defines terrorism and terrorist.

If Tayyba raja , Sanam javed can be convicted as terrorists , and 10k unarmed civilians who were only protesting, can face the same fate.
Many of whom now under court martial in military courts.
I have genuine and serious doubts about whom the military calls terrorists and wants to start operation against them.
Same is now the mindset of millions in Pakistan for same reasons.
So yes domestic politics is relevant.

A high performing powerful military is more important than any person in Pakistan as long as India and Afghanistan remain a threat. If that means political overreach then so be it.

Challenging the fauj and its work is a non negotiable.

This is what the military would have looked like if Pakistan did have a full democracy from the beginning. It would be just another 3rd world or middle eastern weak and pathetic. Would have been eaten alive by our enemies and haters.

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A high performing powerful military is more important than any person in Pakistan as long as India and Afghanistan remain a threat. If that means political overreach then so be it.

Challenging the fauj and its work is a non negotiable.
Zip it up when you are done glazing the Faujis. Thanks.
 
Question is where bajawa fence?
Who got the contracts?
 
A high performing powerful military is more important than any person in Pakistan as long as India and Afghanistan remain a threat. If that means political overreach then so be it.

Challenging the fauj and its work is a non negotiable.
While I don't agree with OPs comment and think it's fairly easy to distinguish between genuine terrorists and politically motivated actions this logic does not hold up.

Nowhere in the world do you need to engage in politics to be a high performing military, in fact focusing only on military matters would make them an even more competent military force.

The fauj eventually needs to realise that it's overreach in every domain is deteriorating the country, holding it back from its potential and keeping it chronically incompetent from maturing. I would have supported it if it was CCP level of competence but it isn't.

The current political system they're backing is not working. Maybe their standards are so low because of their narrow vision of what is progress (not uncommon in Pakistan) but  EVERYTHING in Pakistan is underperforming and extremely incompetent. It's almost embarrassing.

Maybe this set up is perhaps even exactly what the elites want. Keep a backwards and poor Pakistan that their generations can rob with ease.

But we desperately need a coherent national vision, national clarity and massive reforms in education, governance structure with a modernised recruitment process to form actually competent & functioning institutions. Otherwise this country will remain a backwater and implode.
 
Leave the domestic politics out of national security issues. I absolutely hate military's political involvement but when it comes to security I 100% support and back Pakistan military for any action against anti-Pakistan elements.
Ever heard, creating a monster, and then later fighting it to justify your necessity?
Or manufactured enemies?
PA has learned it well.
But the multi headed Cerberus itself is exposed.
 
A high performing powerful military is more important than any person

Pakistan has one of the most strongest armed forces in the world not exaggerating.

But you we not fighting a conventional force but an elusive ghost. One that is credible weak. They could be less then 2000 but very elusive and it is like looking for a snow leopard..

Let me give you an example lets said one guy comes out of the mountain in North Wasiristan and fires few bullets at a passing by car then the security is called bla bla. FC arrives there fully armed quickly with both ground troops, helicopters, drones and even air cover with fighter jets! Once they arrive at the site there is literally NOBODY.

Imo the forces need to change clothes meaning opt for civilian close and melt into the population
 
Pakistan has one of the most strongest armed forces in the world not exaggerating.

But you we not fighting a conventional force but an elusive ghost. One that is credible weak. They could be less then 2000 but very elusive and it is like looking for a snow leopard..

Let me give you an example lets said one guy comes out of the mountain in North Wasiristan and fires few bullets at a passing by car then the security is called bla bla. FC arrives there fully armed quickly with both ground troops, helicopters, drones and even air cover with fighter jets! Once they arrive at the site there is literally NOBODY.

Imo the forces need to change clothes meaning opt for civilian close and melt into the population
Guerilla warfare at its finest.

Col. David Hackworth wrote the book on fighting a counter-insurgency based on his previous lessons in Vietnam. The book was so controversial, the brass sent him back to Vietnam to prove it. He did.

Later, General Petraeus along with assistance from General Mattis wrote their own book, heavily plagiarizing Hackworth's, on how to deal with the insurgency in Iraq.

I read both books. Lost a lot of respect for Petraeus after that
 
Military has built far better infrastructure in tribal regions than what second tier cities and rural areas of Pakistan have......see that before passing any judgement.
That’s actually sad rather than some celebration. That’s like you saying I breast fed my child better than my wife so better not judge me.
 
That’s actually sad rather than some celebration. That’s like you saying I breast fed my child better than my wife so better not judge me.
Sounds witty but meaningless post .... don't know how to answer it .
 
Military has built far better infrastructure in tribal regions than what second tier cities and rural areas of Pakistan have......see that before passing any judgement.
Those military built infra had TTP contractors involved. More of a money paid for not bombing.
Make your own mind if it was a good tactic or bad tactics.
As soon [as the money dries up, the TTP starts bombing again, such as these days.
 
Those military built infra had TTP contractors involved. More of a money paid for not bombing.
Make your own mind if it was a good tactic or bad tactics.
As soon [as the money dries up, the TTP starts bombing again, such as these days.
How many tin hats do you have?
 
A high performing powerful military is more important than any person in Pakistan as long as India and Afghanistan remain a threat. If that means political overreach then so be it.

Challenging the fauj and its work is a non negotiable.

This is what the military would have looked like if Pakistan did have a full democracy from the beginning. It would be just another 3rd world or middle eastern weak and pathetic. Would have been eaten alive by our enemies and haters.

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That's a wrong assumption that a strong civilian political rule would have resulted in weak military. A civilian political rule would have resulted in better governance, strong economy and ultimately a stronger military.
 
That's a wrong assumption that a strong civilian political rule would have resulted in weak military. A civilian political rule would have resulted in better governance, strong economy and ultimately a stronger military.
Imo, the debate shouldn't be framed as civilian vs military. It should be competency vs incompetency. If they were performing well no one would have a reason to complain but they've clearly put their hands in so many places yet everything is still a shitshow barely functioning. This is a country with a confused psychee and all it's organs failing. (Government bodies are literally manned by unqualified jokers since there are zero standards).
 
Guerilla warfare at its finest.

Col. David Hackworth wrote the book on fighting a counter-insurgency based on his previous lessons in Vietnam. The book was so controversial, the brass sent him back to Vietnam to prove it. He did.

Later, General Petraeus along with assistance from General Mattis wrote their own book, heavily plagiarizing Hackworth's, on how to deal with the insurgency in Iraq.

I read both books. Lost a lot of respect for Petraeus after that

This is not normal insurgency we had that back in 2007 but what we have here is something else like very low intensity insurgency like almost sporadic they can go silent at times for months before they do another gig.

What most people don´t realize is that PAKISTAN is a massive country 4 times the size of United kingdom not England but UK times 4 which means England+Scotland+Wales+North Ireland X 4 times.

These in the IEA gov´t always say nobody is in our territory and that is the truth because TTP doesn´t need to go anywhere as finding them inside KPK, swat or gilgit is close to impossible even if they were to slip into Kunar or Nuristan mountain ranges nobody would know it only god.

He can just come out of the mountains shoot at passing by cars to create a security incident then slip back into the mountains and Pakistan has alot Mountains it is a massive country with alot of mountains finding them is nearly impossible.

Plus there is plenty of rivers, fresh water lakes, waterfalls etc etc and plenty of wild game (Deer, Wild Goats, Markhor etc etc) and fish hence once they slip into the mountains outside of civilization they can stay there hunting wild game, just chill and come back a month or 2 later to do another security incident and then slip back into the highlands. They make a hut like house that is solid and they bring plenty of rice, flour and spices so that they can make biryani with wild game and also for flour they make bread and make wild game soups and what not.. They return back to civilization almost gained weight and you would not think this people have been in the wild and you can´t find them it is a massive mountainous country impossible they have adapted to the nature wild-life style hence they are not afraid of being catched or whatever because they know it is impossible.

The only time you can catch them is when they come down to resupply mainly 3 things Rice, Flour and spices they buy large quanitity of these that can last 2-3 years including Sugar and Tea. Sometimes they can buy in for 5 years meaning alot of supplies.

I recall I forgot his name he was a famous TTP individual he is one of the OGs he was assumed dead for years as nobody has seen the man for like upto 10 years then one day he emerged out of the mountains looking healthier and younger
 
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