Turkey Greece Relations and Maritime Disputes

[MMM-E]

Funny,that's what your Coast Guard does to our fishermen too.

Only in your lies maybe
Turkish Coast Guard never fired Greek Fishermen

on the other hand Greek Coast Guard always firing civilians ( Turkish Fishermen )

Another lie

Turkey disrespected the Treaty a long time ago already:

The lies are belong to Greeks who violated threaty of Lausanne 1923 and Paris 1947 in the Aegean

Also The 1923 Treaty of Lausanne granted "minority" status to the Turkish community ( about 150.000 ) in Western Thrace. However, Greece ignores these rights and continues to mistreat the Turkish minority.

Denial of ethnic identity
Problems in the field of education
Lack of bilingual kindergartens
Closing down and merging Minority elementary schools
Lack of adequate number of Minority secondary-high schools
Lack of sufficient number of qualified teachers
Restrictions in the field of freedom of religion
Problems regarding land and acquisition of immovable properties
Problems regarding minority foundations
Deprivation of Greek citizenship
Deprivation of Greek citizenship


official source : Repuclic of Turkiye ( Ministry of Foreign Affairs )

Turkish Minority of Western Thrace and the Turkish Community in the Dodecanese / Republic of Türkiye Ministry of Foreign Affairs

www.mfa.gov.tr

 

[MMM-E]

Wrong again:

The l947 Treaty of Paris turned over the islands, commonly referred to as the "Dodecanese", to Greece. This Treaty also sought to reconcile Greek sovereignty over these islands with the security of Türkiye by stipulating in Article l4 that "these islands shall be and shall remain demilitarized"

However, Greece has been violating the demilitarized status of the islands in contravention of her contractual obligations since the 1960's and has admitted a military presence on some of these Islands since the 1970's.


official source : Repuclic of Turkiye ( Ministry of Foreign Affairs )

https://www.mfa.gov.tr/background-note-on-aegean-dispute.en.mfa

 

[Foinikas]

on the other hand Greek Coast Guard always firing civilians ( Turkish Fishermen )

Sure,buddy. Whatever you say. Turkish superpower always the victim.

The lies are belong to Greeks who violated threaty of Lausanne 1923 and Paris 1947 in the Aegean

Also The 1923 Treaty of Lausanne granted "minority" status to the Turkish community in Western Thrace. However, Greece ignores these rights and continues to mistreat the Turkish minority.

You arw wrong again. There's a Muslim minority status,not a Turkish minority. The Muslim minority in Thrace is made of Pomaks,Greek or gypsy Muslims and those who identify as Turks. However,the Turkish governments have been calling the entire community as a "Turkish minority" and have been taking advantage of the matter politically,for decades.
There is no mistreatment and no problems. Some individuals in coordination with Turkey try to give a false idea of problems. However,the Pomaks often put them in their place by calling out them out for trying to put the entire Muslim minority in the same basket under Turkish control.

The l947 Treaty of Paris turned over the islands, commonly referred to as the "Dodecanese", to Greece. This Treaty also sought to reconcile Greek sovereignty over these islands with the security of Türkiye by stipulating in Article l4 that "these islands shall be and shall remain demilitarized"

However, Greece has been violating the demilitarized status of the islands in contravention of her contractual obligations since the 1960's and has admitted a military presence on some of these Islands since the 1970's.

Debunked





If that wasn't enough for you

 

[MMM-E]

Do the people know this ?

Athens was the only capital city in Europe that didn't have a single Mosque


Thanks to President ERDOGAN
Athens, the capital of Greece, opened its first mosque for worship in 2020 after a 14-year planning and construction process


The decision to build the Athens Mosque was first made in 2006, but due to lengthy bureaucratic processes, legal obstacles, and reactions from the far right, construction could not begin for over a decade.

Athens' first mosque in nearly 200 years ( 1833-2020 )​

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/athens-first-mosque-nearly-200-years-opens-friday-prayers-2020-11-06/

Greece lacked religious freedom within the country until 2020
and still the oppression of the Muslim minority in Greece continues.

 

[Foinikas]

Do the people know this ?

Athens was the only capital city in Europe that didn't have a single Mosque


Thanks to President ERDOGAN
Athens, the capital of Greece, opened its first mosque for worship in 2020 after a 14-year planning and construction process


The decision to build the Athens Mosque was first made in 2006, but due to lengthy bureaucratic processes, legal obstacles, and reactions from the far right, construction could not begin for over a decade.

Athens' first mosque in nearly 200 years ( 1833-2020 )​

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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/athens-first-mosque-nearly-200-years-opens-friday-prayers-2020-11-06/

Greece lacked religious freedom within the country until 2020
and still the oppression of the Muslim minority in Greece continues.

So your arguments have been shot down,your claims debunked and now you turn to something completely different and irrelevant.

 

[MMM-E]

So your arguments have been shot down,your claims debunked and now you turn to something completely different and irrelevant.

I beat you in every point by official source Repuclic of Turkiye ( Ministry of Foreign Affairs )

Your posts are from wikipedia or Greek fanboy websites as always .... like a troll

 

[Foinikas]

I beat you in every point by official source

Your posts are from wikipedia or Greek fanboy websites as always .... like a troll

Your Greece hiding behind USA , European Union and acts as a Bandit

They're not from wikipedia,man you really are retarded...you cited the official turkish gov page for ****'s sake.

Every single one of your so-called arguments has been smashed to pieces,debunked beyond any doubt.

People will read and understand on their own.

 

[MMM-E]

Every single one of your so-called arguments has been smashed to pieces,debunked beyond any doubt.

from Greek Fanboy websites ?
I give official source

Your Greece hiding behind USA , European Union and acts as a Bandit
same mentality with Israel ... bandits who disregard agreements and the international law


Your barbar Country lacked even religious freedom within the country until 2020
and still the oppression of the Muslim minority in Greece continues.



Athens was the only capital city in Europe that didn't have a single Mosque .. ( 1833-2020 )

 

[MMM-E]

Historical animosity aside it is clear that Greece is not engaging this topic in honest faith. Spain is a great example of a country that uses common sense when dealing with it's neighbor.

even UNCLOS article 73 and 84 proves that Turkiye is right

Article 74(1) (EEZ): "The delimitation of the exclusive economic zone between States with opposite or adjacent coasts shall be effected by agreement on the basis of international law, as referred to in Article 38 of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, in order to achieve an equitable solution."

Article 83(1) (continental shelf): Identical wording applies to the continental shelf: "...in order to achieve an equitable solution."


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Special/relevant circumstances must be considered
In line with ICJ jurisprudence (e.g., cases like North Sea Continental Shelf, Libya/Malta, UK/France, etc.), Turkiye insists that delimitation must account for relevant circumstances, such as:

• Geographical configuration (e.g., presence of numerous islands close to one coast).
• Proportionality (coastal length ratio vs. maritime area allocated).
• Avoiding disproportionate effects from small or remote islands.
• Preventing "cut-off" or "enclavement" of a state's coastline.

This is central to Turkiye's objections in both the Aegean Sea (where Greek islands would generate excessive maritime zones under a strict median line) and the Eastern Mediterranean (where small islands like Kastellorizo/Meis would dramatically cut off Turkiye's potential continental shelf/EEZ if given full effect)

 

[Foinikas]

from Greek Fanboy websites ?
I give official source

Your Greece hiding behind USA , European Union and acts as a Bandit
same mentality with Israel ... bandits who disregard agreements and the international law


Your barbar Country lacked even religious freedom within the country until 2020
and still the oppression of the Muslim minority in Greece continues.



Athens was the only capital city in Europe that didn't have a single Mosque .. ( 1833-2020 )

Sir,your arguments have been debunked to the fullest extent. It's is pointless to continue posting. You are running in circles. I suggest you get back to superpower Turkiye defence industry.

 

[Foinikas]

They really think that their neighbors foreign policy must be pre-approved by Zionists in Tel Aviv.

Yeah man,who does that?!

It is incomprehensible that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan seems to be upset about Greece’s defense deals with France and the US, the purchase of Rafale jets and the upgrading of the F-16s, the mutual assistance clause included in the Greek-French agreement, the letter by US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken which describes Greece as a pillar of stability in the region and speaks of respect for its sovereignty and territorial integrity. He is annoyed by the American presence in Alexandroupoli and elsewhere in Greece.

Erdogan’s annoyance and his wrong strategy towards Greece | eKathimerini.com

A country’s strength is the sum, not only of its military capabilities, but also of its collaborations and alliances.

www.ekathimerini.com

Who else has the same "do what I like or not at all" attitude in the region?



"I don't like your alliances"?

 

[hyperman]

@Oublious @MMM-E

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"Achilles Shield is a much more holistic approach than anything that exists. It is far more comprehensive than Iron Dome or the Golden Dome"

This guy is a real bullshitter. lol

How are you going to do all that when you don't currently build a single component and your defense budget is already constrained from the current purchases with the GDP of Iraq.

 

[MMM-E]

"Achilles Shield is a much more holistic approach than anything that exists. It is far more comprehensive than Iron Dome or the Golden Dome"

This guy is a real bullshitter. lol

If Türkiye were in the same State as it was in the 2000s, Achilles Shield might work

25 years ago Turkiye had only American Missiles
( 100 ATACMS , 50 SLAM-ER and 95 HARM ) .... nothing else


but this is 2026 and Turkish Defense Industry produces dozens of types of Ballistic-Cruise Missiles and long range guided Munitions / Kamikaze Drones to destroy Achilles Shield in a day

Cost effective Missiles/Munitions/Kamikaze Drones such as KUZGUN-TJ , TOLUN-IIR , IHA-230 , CAKIR , EREN , TRG-300 , J600T , KEMANKES , SUPER LIGHTNING easly can destroy Achilles Shield
No need even expensive Missiles like BORA , TAYFUN , 300-ER , SOM , ATMACA , GEZGIN , RAMJET powered supersonic Missile

and Achilles Shield can not intercept upcoming hypersonic Ballistic Missiles like TAYFUN Block4 and CENK


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What world does this Greek minister live in ? He's such a delusional person, we can't even describe his level.

 

[hyperman]

If Türkiye were in the same State as it was in the 2000s, Achilles Shield might work

25 years ago Turkiye had only American Missiles
( 100 ATACMS , 50 SLAM-ER and 95 HARM ) .... nothing else


but this is 2026 and Turkish Defense Industry produces dozens of types of Ballistic-Cruise Missiles and long range guided Munitions / Kamikaze Drones to destroy Achilles Shield in a day

Cost effective Missiles/Munitions/Kamikaze Drones such as KUZGUN-TJ , TOLUN-IIR , IHA-230 , CAKIR , EREN , TRG-300 , J600T , KEMANKES , SUPER LIGHTNING easly can destroy Achilles Shield
No need even expensive Missiles like BORA , TAYFUN , 300-ER , SOM , ATMACA , GEZGIN , RAMJET powered supersonic Missile

and Achilles Shield can not intercept upcoming hypersonic Ballistic Missiles like TAYFUN Block4 and CENK


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What world does this Greek minister live in ? He's such a delusional person, we can't even describe his level.

Dendias can't keep Turkey out of his mind. lol

He went to the US again recently to bad mouth Turkey. Now he is going to zionist groups in the US and offering his services to the zionist cause in hopes to curry favor with the zionist lobby to attack Turkey.

 

[TR_123456]

Dendias can't keep Turkey out of his mind. lol

He went to the US again recently to bad mouth Turkey. Now he is going to zionist groups in the US and offering his services to the zionist cause in hopes to curry favor with the zionist lobby to attack Turkey.

Yeah,the zionists wont risk anything against us at the moment,he will turn home empty handed.