Turkey Greece Relations and Maritime Disputes

[Foinikas]

The Aegean Sea has negligible hydrocarbon resources, unlike the Eastern Mediterranean, which possesses enormous hydrocarbon potential. There are fishing rights, and that in itself is fair. Stop making baseless claims out your Greece arse.

It could have mermaids for all I care,the problem is that Turkey wants half of it.

Eritrea owns and controls approximately 5,000 islands and islets in the Red Sea. However, they don't claim that "the Red Sea is Eritrea's lake." Eritrea legally has as many rights as Greece, but its exclusive economic zone rights are equally divided between the African and Asian plates; they are not as greedy as the Greeks.

Get your facts right before you bring up Eritrea as an example

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2. Look where their islands are located



3. Compare Eritrea and Greece on the map






@hasssanali8998 what do you think?

 

[hasssanali8998]

what do you think?

reading all the names , memories of reading Greek history is flooding back to me
so thinking about visiting all these places some day

 

[MMM-E]

The 25th meridian as an implied “dividing line”



Türkiye's two-year NAVTEX decision
The objective is to entrench the perception that areas east of the 25th meridian (which roughly divides the Aegean in half) fall under Turkish jurisdiction


The NAVTEX also serves as a signal that Turkiye is not remaining silent in response to Greece's efforts and statements regarding the 12-mile limit.

 

[Foinikas]

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one question
how tf did turkey get these maritime borders , like did u guys ever take these islands
or did u have them give them up when the ottoman empire fell
just want a history lesson no politics pls

By the end of the Balkan Wars in 1913,Turkey had lost the northeast Aegean islands to Greece and the Dodecanese(the ones southeast)to Italy.

After WWI,there was the Treaty of Sevres which was a total defeat for the Turks. With the end of the Greco-Turkish War in 1922,there was the Treaty of Lausanne which specifically gave Imbros,Tenedos and tiny islands called "Rabbit Islands" to Turkey. These are the ones northeast in front of the Dardanelles,in front of the Straits.

The Treaty of Lausanne clearly states that except for the the islands mentioned on the Treaty(the ones that belonged to Greece already and Imbros,Tenedos and the Rabbit islands given to Turkey which are further away from their coast),Turkey is entitled to everything 3 nm miles from the Asiatic Coast. That is like I said,except the ones close to them that are already stated as part of Greece.

After WWII,Italy ceded the Dodecanese to Greece.

I don't know if this information is of any worth to you,but since antiquity,all these islands had been populated by Greeks. Some of them also had very small communities of Muslims at some point after Ottoman conquest.

 

[hasssanali8998]

I don't know if this information is of any worth to you,

it was , thank your for this response

 

[Foinikas]

Türkiye's two-year NAVTEX decision
The objective is to entrench the perception that areas east of the 25th meridian (which roughly divides the Aegean in half) fall under Turkish jurisdiction

There you go,you brazenly admit this is an attempt by Turkey to change the perception of the status quo in order to claim parts you have no jurisdiction or ownership of.

 

[MMM-E]

There you go,you brazenly admit this is an attempt by Turkey to change the perception of the status quo in order to claim parts you have no jurisdiction or ownership of.

On the contrary, Greece is doing this, and Turkiye is telling Greece to know its limits


Greek General Staff: “Turkish military Vessels violated Greek territorial waters 3,000 times in 2025.”


Why didn't you try to prevent even one of those 3000 so-called violations ?

The reason for the "delusions" of Greek officials and media stems from their belief that places that do not belong to them are their own.

Greeks are talking about 3000 violations even in a 6-mile territorial waters regime

 

[Foinikas]

Why didn't you try to prevent even one of those 3000 so-called violations ?

The reason for the "delusions" of Greek officials and media stems from their belief that places that do not belong to them are their own.

That's why we constantly have Coast Guard skirmishes,wiseguy And then Turkey says "Greece wants war,Greece wants war!"

Greeks are talking about 3000 violations even in a 6-mile territorial waters regime

Because you Turks are doing things like this:







And then your ministers pretend to be offended and repeat "Yunanistan does not help in creating a climate of good neighborhood :'( "

 

[MMM-E]

The outstanding Aegean disputes is related to Aegean airspace the core causes of which are both the Greek claim to 10 nautical miles national airspace responsibility by Greece contrary to international law.


Greece’s claim to 10 NM national airspace constitutes the reason behind the Aegean airspace disagreement. The core aspects of this dispute are the persistent abuse of “Flight Information Region” (FIR) responsibility by Greece and the unique Greek claim of 10 NM national airspace while the breadth of its territorial waters is 6 NM.

In international law, the boundary of territorial sea of a state also forms the boundary of its national airspace.

Therefore, Greece’s claim to 10 NM national airspace is against the rules of international law and the airspace between Greece’s 6 NM territorial waters and its declared 10 NM national airspace is part of the international airspace.


Greece’s 6-10 NM airspace claim is not recognized internationally. Nor is it recognized by Türkiye

Turkish jets are flying in International airspace​

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Greece can not claim 10nm airspace while its territorial waters 6nm

absurd Greek claims

 

[MMM-E]

That's why we constantly have Coast Guard skirmishes,wiseguy And then Turkey says "Greece wants war,Greece wants war!"

Greeks can not do anything against Turkish Warships
You can attack only Civilians ( Turkish Fishermen )

Turkish Fisherman, always crew harassed by Greek Coast Guard in international waters ...... And Turkish Coat Guard always showed your place​

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[Kambojaric]

Historical animosity aside it is clear that Greece is not engaging this topic in honest faith. Spain is a great example of a country that uses common sense when dealing with it's neighbor.

Using small islets (looking at you Kastellorizo) to block a major neighbors access to Maritime resources is for lack of a better term "taking the p*ss". Their may be reasons from a Greek pov why they are acting this way (historical grievances, containing stronger neighbor etc) but for an outsider it is clear that Greece is using legal means to behave in a dishonest manner.

 

[MMM-E]

one question
how tf did turkey get these maritime borders , like did u guys ever take these islands
or did u have them give them up when the ottoman empire fell
just want a history lesson no politics pls

Greece could not take anything by itself


1913 Treaty of London : The future of the Eastern Aegean Islands have been left to the decision of Six Powers in Article 5 of the Treaty of London.

1914 Decision of Six Powers : The islands of Lemnos, Samothrace, Lesvos, Chios, Samos, and Ikaria and others under Greek occupation as of 1914 were ceded to Greece by the 1914 Decision of Six Powers (Great Britain, France, Russia, Germany, Italy and Austria-Hungary) on the condition that they should be kept demilitarized.

1923 Lausanne Peace Treaty : In Article 12 of the Lausanne Peace Treaty the 1914 Decision of Six Powers was confirmed


1947 Paris Peace Treaty : The demilitarized status of Eastern Aegean Islands was once again confirmed in 1947 long after the Lausanne Treaty. The "Dodecanese Islands" namely Stampalia, Rhodes, Calki, Scarpanto, Casos, Piscopis, Nisiros, Calimnos, Leros, Patmos, Lipsos, Symi, Cos and Castellorizo were ceded to Greece on the explicit condition that they must remain demilitarized


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Turks won the last War against Greeks,French,British,Armenians between 1919 and 1922

and The Lausanne Treaty 1923 established a political balance between Greece and Türkiye by harmonizing the vital interests of both countries including those in the Aegean.

Türkiye fully respects the provisions of Lausanne and in return expects Greece to act in the same manner.

 

[Foinikas]

Greeks can not do anything against Turkish Warships
You can attack only Civilians ( Turkish Fishermen )

Turkish Fisherman, always crew harassed by Greek Coast Guard in international waters ...... And Turkish Coat Guard always showed your place​

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Funny,that's what your Coast Guard does to our fishermen too.

 

[Foinikas]

1947 Paris Peace Treaty : The demilitarized status of Eastern Aegean Islands was once again confirmed in 1947 long after the Lausanne Treaty. The "Dodecanese Islands" namely Stampalia, Rhodes, Calki, Scarpanto, Casos, Piscopis, Nisiros, Calimnos, Leros, Patmos, Lipsos, Symi, Cos and Castellorizo were ceded to Greece on the explicit condition that they must remain demilitarized

Wrong again:

 

[Foinikas]

Türkiye fully respects the provisions of Lausanne and in return expects Greece to act in the same manner.

Another lie

Turkey disrespected the Treaty a long time ago already: