Turkey, Pakistan, Qatar, and Indonesia forge ‘Badr’ Pact to Jointly Produce Weapons

I think mass production of missiles in Turkiye, Indonesia and Pakistan is vital here. All three also have F-16 replacement issue that KAAN can solve. All 4 countries use Turkish naval ships and present a big market for more. In fact combined defence budgets of all 4 is around $80 Billion. Nothing to be sneezed at....

Turkish tech
Pak manpower
Indonesian industrial base
Qatari cash
 
Pakistan is signing too many pacts nowadays and at the end of day, nothing fruitful will come out of these defence pacts.
MoUs, pacts & ToTs give nothing to Pakistan because we don't have industrial backbone to absorb anything.
A country building 4th gen fighters in some outdated factory says all about its broken approch towards industry.

Mecca Pact is with big responsibilities like sending troops to foreign countries. Doing war for other countries, things that is pretty difficult to get domestic audience backing

While this defense industry pack is something that demand much less than that while the implementation could potentially create tangible outcome like JV factories, Qatar loan backed defense sales

Countries like Indonesia, Turkiye, Pakistan actually dont need foreign troops, its population has capacity to defend themselves

But things like weapons, ammunitions (when the ammunitions factory inside the county get bombed), components supply, financing support to grow defense industry during peacetime, etc are things that are actually needed in full scale war
 
Good intentions, inshaAllah it actually generates some products and industries.

If we develop some products it'll be a small success. The real success is developing defence industries that work together to push the boundaries of what is possible.
 
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I think mass production of missiles in Turkiye, Indonesia and Pakistan is vital here. All three also have F-16 replacement issue that KAAN can solve. All 4 countries use Turkish naval ships and present a big market for more. In fact combined defence budgets of all 4 is around $80 Billion. Nothing to be sneezed at....

Turkish tech
Pak manpower
Indonesian industrial base
Qatari cash

I want them to build an A-400 type Strategic Airlift project as well, Indonesia has significant aircraft development capability, as does Turkiye, and some work can be offloaded to Pakistan and create a really competitive product.

The Europeans did it with the A-400, France by itself can no longer develop such a project on its own due to costs, but in conjunction with Germany, Spain, Italy and the UK, they are able to compete with the US/Boeing, the same way Airbus is able to dominate despite not being a major power.

An LM2500 dropin replacement for a common ship propulsion design would be another good project to pursue.
 
I want them to build an A-400 type Strategic Airlift project as well, Indonesia has significant aircraft development capability, as does Turkiye, and some work can be offloaded to Pakistan and create a really competitive product.

The Europeans did it with the A-400, France by itself can no longer develop such a project on its own due to costs, but in conjunction with Germany, Spain, Italy and the UK, they are able to compete with the US/Boeing, the same way Airbus is able to dominate despite not being a major power.

Agreed, strategic airlift was never a requirement for Saudi and Pakistan in the past (Turks are in NATO so always needed it)

If this is to go beyond joint production and joint equipment buys we must be able to readily deploy a lot of heavy equipment to both Turks and Saudis. This would mean a lifter able to carry at least a Haider/Altay/M1 tank. Nothing out there can do that now, not even A400 and C-17 no longer in production

There are also scenarios where maybe even mass paratroop drops come fashionable again!
 
I was also of the opinion since start that Pakistan need to do some cooperation with Turkish defence industry where they transfer some of their prodiction facilities to Pakistan. Say a 5000 acre zone where all the major turkish defence companies have their production lines. This will help in the following ways.

1. The products produced in Pakistan can be sold to Pakistan defence forces or other countries such as ME, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, bangladesh etc

2. It will also give Turkey a backup. Incase of any war in its own region with either Greece or Israel. If Turkish defence plants face damages. The Pakistani plants can still keep supplying them the essential resupplies.
 
Is there any country that Indonesia has not signed a defence "agreement " with ? I thought they signed one with India as well when they signed the deal to buy Brahmos and other stuff.
 
Is there any country that Indonesia has not signed a defence "agreement " with ? I thought they signed one with India as well when they signed the deal to buy Brahmos and other stuff.

Read the thread title. I know you are desperate to insert India into everything but no one gives a shit
 
Yes, the cards are being reshuffled.
How will Muslim countries spend the next 100 years?
The past 100 years have been miserable for us.
Economically and intellectually exploited by the West and constantly embroiled in many unnecessary fratricidal wars.
This situation will change very soon, those who plan now will help shape the future.
 
@Indos

It is reported that the Indonesian Army (TNI AD) will begin receiving SUNGUR missiles manufactured by Roketsan (Turkey) starting in 2027. Unlike the QW-12 (dual-band IR & laser proximity fuze), the Sungur features an IIR seeker with an 8 km range (LOBL & fire-and-forget). This missile is flexible and can be launched from the shoulder (MANPADS), light tactical vehicles, ships, as well as UAVs.

 
Good overview of Badr and how it makes sense for Pakistan:

Decoding defence deals​

Khurram Abbas Published October 25, 2026 Updated a day ago
The writer is a strategic analyst of international security. The views expressed are his own.

SINCE September 2025, Pakistan has signed multilayered and multi-domain defence agreements with several Arab and Muslim states. It has signed a Strategic Mutual Defence Agreement (SMDA) with Saudi Arabia, the Makkah Joint Defence Agreement (MJDA) with Turkiye and Saudi Arabia, and a defence pact with Kuwait. Pakistan has recently signed another defence agreement — the Badr agreement. Pakistan, Turkiye, Qatar, and Indonesia are signatories to this pact.

These defence deals have, in the past year, increased Pakistan’s strategic relevance in the Middle East. Interestingly, each accord carries the explicit provision for joint defence production and investment in the defence industry. This clause in every defence pact reveals Islamabad’s long-term strategic objective of moving from a buyer-seller relationship to a co-production partnership with reliable partners in the region.

There are four primary strategic factors that have driven Islamabad’s emphasis on the joint defence production clause in each defence pact.


The India factor remains the primary driver. New Delhi’s defence budget now exceeds $80 billion, and its rapid induction of advanced platforms has widened the qualitative gap. Joint production arrangements with middle powers are likely to allow Pakistan to accelerate defence modernisation without bearing the full research and development cost. By manufacturing components and subsystems domestically, Pakistan can sustain a higher operational tempo and maintain credible conventional deterrence.

Islamabad believes that strategic parity in South Asia does not require numerical equivalence. It primarily requires the ability to absorb, adapt, and indigenise technology at a pace that may prevent New Delhi from achieving decisive superiority over Islamabad. These defence deals, therefore, function as a force-multiplier for Pakistan’s conventional and strategic capabilities.

Pakistan’s defence pacts over the past year have increased its strategic relevance.
Islamabad’s second strategic objective is the diversification of defence suppliers and reduced reliance of its defence supply chain on Western weapons.

Historically, Islamabad has relied on Chinese weapons but the extent of dependency has increased significantly in the last two decades. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute has noted that this dependency is nearly 80 per cent. Although Pakistan and China enjoy unprecedented trust and depth in their all-weather strategic relationship, in theoretical terms, heavy reliance on any single external source worries Islamabad.

Similarly, Islamabad is increasingly seeking to decouple its military procurement from Western-reliant supply chains. This approach is rooted in Pakistan’s historically bitter experiences with sudden embargoes and sanctions, alongside Islamabad’s broader resistance to the West’s tendency to use defence exports as political leverage over the Global South during geopolitical crises.

Primarily, Islamabad is eager to cultivate robust, non-Western defence partnerships to secure reliable and uninterrupted arms supplies free from the influence of foreign powers. By integrating affluent Saudi and Qatari capital with the technologically advanced Turkish weapons industry, Pakistan is building an insulated, collaborative defence network with the middle powers to achieve this strategic objective. Islamabad believes that these defence deals, alongside its strategic alliance with China, may allow Islamabad to minimise its conventional vulnerabilities, help modernise its armed forces, and ultimately achieve a much higher degree of long-term strategic autonomy.

Moreover, Islamabad is acutely aware that the intensifying US-China strategic competition will make it increasingly difficult to maintain a purely China-centric defence supply chain in the long run. Therefore, by building parallel defence production partnerships with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkiye, and Indonesia, Pakistan is creating a middle-power buffer to avoid unwanted political pressure from the US. Interestingly, these countries are not fully aligned with either Washington or Beijing, and provide Islamabad greater room for manoeuvre.

Third, the economic factor equally occupies the strategic motivations of Islamabad. Pakistan wants to enhance its ability to modernise the defence production industry and increase defence exports. Pakistan’s official defence exports stood at approximately $280m in 2024. The recently concluded deals can significantly enhance defence exports to $650-700m by 2027, crossing the $1bn mark by 2030.


The Gulf states, seeking to reduce their own dependence on Western suppliers, constitute the most immediate and lucrative market for Pakistani defence exports. Joint ventures under the Badr agreement, MJDA and SMDA are designed to produce systems that meet the Gulf’s operational requirements, while carrying Pakistani certification, and, crucially, a lower price tag. Successful penetration of these markets would generate much-needed foreign exchange for Pakistan, create skilled employment, and justify further capital investment in the domestic defence industry.

Beyond the Gulf, there is also potential for niche exports to African and Central Asian countries that face similar budgetary constraints and seek cost-effective, reliable platforms.

The fourth objective linked to the third is to attract foreign direct investment to Pakistan’s defence sector. The joint production clauses are structured to encourage equity participation rather than simple technology licensing. Early commitments already indicate potential inflows of $1.2-1.5bn over the next five years in manufacturing facilities, testing ranges, and human capital development. These investments will upgrade the physical infrastructure of Pakistan’s public-sector defence industry. These inflows can stimulate related industries, including electronics, metallurgy, and software, while creating thousands of high-skill jobs for individuals who would otherwise migrate overseas.

Time will tell whether these defence deals can deliver a meaningful technology transfer. The most important question is whether such a multipronged approach can genuinely enhance Pakistan’s long-term strategic autonomy or will merely redistribute its dependencies. It is also unclear to what extent these defence deals can genuinely reduce Pakistan’s strategic vulnerabilities.

However, despite these uncertainties, these defence deals will bring critical capital and technical know-how, while reducing vulnerability to external supply shocks. Yet Islamabad must calibrate its exposure with precision. Over-commitment in the complex security theatres of the Middle East can risk entangling Pakistan in conflicts whose political and military logic lies beyond Islamabad’s core interests. Therefore, Pakistan must pursue these opportunities with strategic clarity and within well-defined red lines.

 

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