Turkey Said to Seek Membership of Saudi-Pakistan Defense Pact

[Ali_Baba]

Türkiye is part of NATO and already has the American nuclear umbrella. Why does it need to join this alliance?

A hedge against NATO falling apart, also will NATO come to Turkiye if Israel attacks?

 

[hussain0216]

Türkiye is part of NATO and already has the American nuclear umbrella. Why does it need to join this alliance?

NATO is already a paper thin alliance

If Israel attacks Turkey, or does a bombing run or something, anything

Do you think NATO will stand with Turkey?
What about if Turkey carries on securing it's interests in the region?

NATO is fine and good but it doesn't really exist, and the U.S is pulling away
The European countries are only concerned about their own interests and if they don't match Turkeys and then they will do nothing



Turkey is looking to the future, and I think it's smart

Things don't happen overnight, it takes time,
TUrkey already has the Turkic world behind it as well as Pakistan


Turkeys military industry is developing fast
Think if it can enter a alliance with Saudi and the Arab world, then it can open up both investment, partners and buyers for everything from KAAN to its drones etc



Mutual interests and mutual benefits


People who have their eyes open and seeing what's happening in the world and Europe, understand this

 

[Starlord]

A hedge against NATO falling apart, also will NATO come to Turkiye if Israel attacks?

NATO is trying to stay relevant, without America NATO is useless and given how Trump threating to take over Greenland even with military use, concerns of Turkey is valid and laying ground for future alliances, whether this alliance will work or not only time will tell.

 

[PakAl]

Iran is a separate matter entirely. Currently it will stay with 3 countries, even Egypt I don't know if they would be added, there is still friction between Turkey and Egypt over Libya and even Syria. So I don't see that happening. Also not really sure what Egypt would have to offer that the Pakistanis don't already offer to the 3 country alliance. Pakistan has the manpower and the Nukes. Its possible if things consolidate more with Egypt and Turkey that it may get added, but its too premature. Lets see Turkey enter into this 3 country alliance first, it hasn't been officially announced yet even.

I mentioned on the old PDF forum. Muslim nations can form a defence treaty if they agree to stop conspiring against each other, oppose any foreign interventions/invasion on Muslim soil, stop supporting extremists, separatists, rebellion in each other nations, oppose any coups etc. Let the Muslim nations slowly develop their economies, education etc.

Regarding this 3 nation alliance, Egypt and Qatar can easily join, Qatar is Turkish ally and Egypt is Saudi ally. The issues in Sudan and Syria will be sorted soon. Yemen is nearly sorted with UAE full withdrawal, UAE will also withdraw from Sudan and Somalialand soon. I would love Iran to join aswell, it will become a powerful defensive alliance.

Pakistan Turkey Azerbaijan Qatar Malaysia Indonesia Iran tried to make a similar alliance during Malaysian Summit but the Saudis went mental, made threats against Pakistan and our leadership backed down. The leader in this alliance will certainly be the Saudis, they consider themselves as the leaders of the Ummah.

 

[PakAl]

Not a fan of this idea, tbh.

When Pakistan Turkey Azerbaijan Iran Qatar Malaysia Indonesia tried to make a similar alliance or grouping during Malaysian Summit, the Saudis were crying foul and making threats. I personally want alliance of non arab nations.

 

[PakAl]

NATO won't be finished so long as they see Russia as a threat.

Why does NATO exist? It exists to maintain a dominance of a western neoliberal world order through the use of force. This is the ideology that binds it's alliance. So long as there are contenders in the world against these countries (i.e. Russia and China), NATO will always exist. It's member states see a common threat in these 2 countries.

Turkey/Pakistan/KSA do not share a common threat. Pakistanis expect this supposed alliance will work as a bulwark against India. Frankly its really silly that Pakistanis believe such since nobody has a bone to pick with India anymore aside from Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Pakistan are jumping at the Saudis since all they see is petrodollars but will the Saudis degrade their relations with India, will they support Pakistan against India. Last time Saudis came and were requesting Pakistan to not respond to Indian aggression. The last thing Pakistanis should want is Pakistani soldiers fighting for Saudis as mercenaries, to fight in Sudan Yemen and elsewhere. Will Pakistan also request the Saudis to stop exporting extremism in to Pakistan and other Muslim nations.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

dubious

How so? When you're aligning in common defense...
The whole purpose of which is that you're in it with your ally. If you're hedging in your alliance than the pact or treaty is meaningless.
It is the same with NATO... if article 5 is invoked for Estonia... France becomes a target and French come with their nukes and all!

 

[PakAl]

A hedge against NATO falling apart, also will NATO come to Turkiye if Israel attacks?

Nato will not fall apart, The western world is more united than we think, Europe sees Russia as a big threat and they will keep NATO.

 

[hyperman]

Egypt is Saudi ally.

Yes but Turkey and Egypt have issues with regards to Libya and the Eastern Mediterraneans. Treaty alliances only work when everyone is on the same page to the point of converging interests, a common enemy and no structural tensions between states.

I would love Iran to join aswell

Its ways Pakistani users pushing this in a naive way. There are many issues here, suggesting Iran, is like me suggesting Why don't Pakistan and Afghanistan Taliban + TTP become best friends?

Iran and Saudi despite things improving and them not actively fighting each other, don't like each other. For various reasons, whether its the Houthis, or over Iraq or whatever reason. Even Turkey which probably has the probably the best relations with Iran would not sign such an agreement, there are many issues, namely that Iran doesn't seem to care to take Turkish sensitivities into account with regards to the PKK, despite that same organization's Iranian branch doing operations in Iran, Iran supports the Syrian branch, for its own tactical reasons. Right now the PKK is using Iranian supplied drones to attack the Syrian govt.

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Its silly to suggest Iran would enter such an alliance. For an Alliance to work, you cannot have underlying problems like this.

Indonesia

Indonesians are far too risk averse to ever join an alliance, just look at how long they took to make up their mind about BRICS, and BRICS isn't even a treaty alliance just a talk shop and an economic collaboration forum. lol

 

[hyperman]

Nato will not fall apart

Are you watching the news? lol

 

[Oscar]

Haram ka Paisa getting invested in Mecca & Medina is...
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Might as well be used for some actual good than just parking it in UAE.
Considering someone attempted suicide in the haram a few weeks ago and naswar or gutka chewing people can be seen in Ihram - purchasing property in Medina might help Ishaq Dar types feel less guilty... not like they need it to get a good nights sleep.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Expensive relic of the cold war, nothing more, now usa deals with russia on its own, they calculated that europeans are not needed anymore as they are coming back firmly into monroe's doctrine pathway,

In fact, Monroe doctrine was specific to Europe... keeping them out of Americas. He's also going after Greenland and panic is real in Europe... besides he made them contribute 5 percent of the GDP when they least can afford it... another way of adding pressure and benefiting from it simultaneously.

 

[Starlord]

Might as well be used for some actual good than just parking it in UAE.
Considering someone attempted suicide in the haram a few weeks ago and naswar or gutka chewing people can be seen in Ihram - purchasing property in Medina might help Ishaq Dar types feel less guilty... not like they need it to get a good nights sleep.

I have no issue if KSA allows it and Pakistani's wants to move their questionable money to buy properties and businesses there, I mean Mecca & Medina is not what we had back in the times of Prophet anyway, and no I don't mean just ideologically but also development wise. As for committing suicide in Haram, or begging/Chewing Gutka's Pakistani's/Indians/BDeshi's its just the time have change, smoking/Gutka and even various type of Tabaco are part of everyday life for millions if not billions, yes its unfortunate but its reality.
I wonder how easy it will be for Pakistani's to move the funds? hum gareeb logo ke pass tu kabhi funds the hi nai so no idea how that works lol

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

Turkey just became almost a co-belligerent against India in the Pakistan-India conflict of May 2025; it seems like Turkey is the most anti-India country outside of South Asia! Pakistan doesn't need manpower from any country: $$ and weapons would be enough when there is need. To Saudi Arabia, some free oil or a few billions of $$ would be chum change to offer to Pakistan.

This begs the question, what would be the general public and GOI stance against Saudi Arabia when there is another war between India and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as per the defense pact fully backs Pakistan financially, materially and even militarily. Would the public cry for BDS against Saudi Arabia as they did with Turkey, calling for complete boycott of Turkey and what about GOI, will it cancel and terminate all dealings with Saudi Arabia especially the FDI. Would the public demand all the expat indians working in SA return home immediately. Just speculating what the consequences would be.

 

[Meengla]

This begs the question, what would be the general public and GOI stance against Saudi Arabia when there is another war between India and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as per the defense pact fully backs Pakistan financially, materially and even militarily. Would the public cry for BDS against Saudi Arabia as they did with Turkey, calling for complete boycott of Turkey and what about GOI, will it cancel and terminate all dealings with Saudi Arabia especially the FDI. Would the public demand all the expat indians working in SA return home immediately. Just speculating what the consequences would be.

You didn't see India making much of a fuss about the Saudi-Pak agreement except a meek suggestion to Saudi Arabia to keep India's 'sensitivities' in mind!! When the Pak-Saudi Arabia Mutual Defense agreement was signed a few months ago, the Indian channels were already saying that India wouldn't be able to do a damn in case KSA comes to Pakistan's aid. Saudi Arabia will find other investment targets and would find labor from other countries. India? They are desperate to leave India and desperate for the foreign exchange the Indian labor sends them. It is an unequal relationship and Indians know that well. Multiple Indian analysts have expressed concerns about the Indian expats from the Middle East could be expelled!