Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan meet as Ankara pushes for a security pact

[falcon34]

@Panzerkiel
Will this pact limit our response option vis a vis India?
Let's say we are going to hit the indian economic targets and all of a sudden these two fks start crying like no, can India not blackmail them that if Pakistan hits our economic target we are going to yours?.
Wallahi moment I think, next round we gonna be aggressive, another dead weight is added on.
And what do we again by it, the Turks are not gonna park their own Kaans on airbases for our deterrence but our nuclear arsenal will provide them deterrence.

 

[Desert]

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Don't trust Arabs. The golden rule of Turkish foreign policy.

wait wait , are you saying that Turkey doesn't have (BIGGER) relations with israel than does Egypt with them?

 

[hyperman]

We would be fools to get into this pact the moment those indian son of whores attack these two nations will do everything fking thing in their power to restrain Pakistan.
Fk that kanjar of ghq penchod.

Turkey is not there to "restrain" Pakistan. Saudis maybe because of their economic relations with India and labor force from India, but the Turks will be backing Pakistan to the hilt, Supplying Weaponry.

 

[hyperman]

There is some speculation it is the US that is behind the scenes architecting and encouraging this alliance. So it can setup a balance of power in the region , this alliance v Israel v Iran, and be able to step back.

Has nothing to do with the US, everything to do with the Zionist entity which is trying to dominate the region.

 

[hyperman]

@Panzerkiel
Will this pact limit our response option vis a vis India?
Let's say we are going to hit the indian economic targets and all of a sudden these two fks start crying like no, can India not blackmail them that if Pakistan hits our economic target we are going to yours?.
Wallahi moment I think, next round we gonna be aggressive, another dead weight is added on.
And what do we again by it, the Turks are not gonna park their own Kaans on airbases for our deterrence but our nuclear arsenal will provide them deterrence.

Turkey will sell KAANs and Kizilelma and other teaming drones and air defense, jammers and even AWACS.

 

[PakAl]

Turkey is not there to "restrain" Pakistan. Saudis maybe because of their economic relations with India and labor force from India, but the Turks will be backing Pakistan to the hilt, Supplying Weaponry.

Saudi zionists are the most untrustworthy allies, Turkey is the only trustable ally for Pakistan, Egypt is not independent enough. No alliance of such benefits Pakistan, will Saudis back Pakistan against India? Dream on.

 

[hyperman]

Saudi zionists are the most untrustworthy allies, Turkey is the only trustable ally for Pakistan, Egypt is not independent enough. No alliance of such benefits Pakistan, will Saudis back Pakistan against India? Dream on.

Saudi is indispensable for Pakistan until it figures out how to make their economic situation sustainable. No one likes Bin Salman, and I certainly don't like Sisi, but there are converging interests that trump all that.

 

[uknwit]

I agree with some comments here our national instrest do not match BUT you have to recall that the EU started with a non agression Pact.

And if anyone thinks that either of these nations including ours have thought that this pact is the end of a story, than my friends your hugely mistaken even coming this far might have taken years of back and forth.

I say give it a decade and you will see interest aligning slowly and surely if handled correctly. And i would love to have Iran in this pact as well because that actually makes an ideal outcome how? Rail roads from ankara to Riyadh to Islamabad. People to people contact is one thing but rail roads and direct connectivity brings lot more then that.

Each party bringing in what others lack iran and saudis bring in energy security and sales not just to turkey and pakistan but regions beyond them (like two corridors) China and India to one side and entry in EU through balkans completely ignoring the fragile sea routes.

Turkey bringing in western tech infrastructure and expertise while Pak provides the whole bloc a nuclear umbrella and required manpower which is unmatched and highly required by the gulf states along side the Chinese factors.

Although i dont like the current state of internal affairs infact i hate it to the bone but i got to say our foreign policy is looking like it has a road map now. I also know that this would have been cooking for atleast a decade but these things accelerated during this CDFs era call it lucky or his expertise either way i dont mind because multiple factors come in play when you look at the geopolitic chess board.

 

[Eşbah]

Turkey is not there to "restrain" Pakistan. Saudis maybe because of their economic relations with India and labor force from India, but the Turks will be backing Pakistan to the hilt, Supplying Weaponry.

Pakistan is the one pushing to include Saudi Arabia in everything related to Pakistan-Turkey, and this is definitely going to backfire. The Turkish people aren't exactly fans of the Saudi leadership. Three's a crowd and one too many in a happy relationship, and forcing Riyadh into the mix is a misstep on Pakistan's part. This move is only going to distance the Turkish public from Pakistan and make Islamabad seem like just another Arab dictatorship.

Erdoğan is all about the money; he doesn't really buy into this 'union' and isn't planning to send any troops. For Ankara, Riyadh is just paying for Turkey's neutrality, not its backing in a conflict.

Qatar isn't getting much Turkish support either, even with a similar agreement, because they're involved in an attack on Iran. The same goes for the Saudis.

Pakistanis are trying to split the burden of having to defend the Saudis but hurting their relationship with Turkey in the process. The Iranians aren't dumb either. They know there's no constellation in the near future where Turkey and Iran would attack each other directly for the sake of a third party.

 

[mythbuster]

Pakistan is the one pushing to include Saudi Arabia in everything related to Pakistan-Turkey, and this is definitely going to backfire. The Turkish people aren't exactly fans of the Saudi leadership. Three's a crowd and one too many in a happy relationship, and forcing Riyadh into the mix is a misstep on Pakistan's part. This move is only going to distance the Turkish public from Pakistan and make Islamabad seem like just another Arab dictatorship.

Erdoğan is all about the money; he doesn't really buy into this 'union' and isn't planning to send any troops. For Ankara, Riyadh is just paying for Turkey's neutrality, not its backing in a conflict.

Qatar isn't getting much Turkish support either, even with a similar agreement, because they're involved in an attack on Iran. The same goes for the Saudis.

Pakistanis are trying to split the burden of having to defend the Saudis but hurting their relationship with Turkey in the process. The Iranians aren't dumb either. They know there's no constellation in the near future where Turkey and Iran would attack each other directly for the sake of a third party.

I thought only Pakistanis are capable of postulating wild theories , our Turkish bros are even better at this.

 

[hyperman]

Pakistan is the one pushing to include Saudi Arabia in everything related to Pakistan-Turkey, and this is definitely going to backfire. The Turkish people aren't exactly fans of the Saudi leadership. Three's a crowd and one too many in a happy relationship, and forcing Riyadh into the mix is a misstep on Pakistan's part. This move is only going to distance the Turkish public from Pakistan and make Islamabad seem like just another Arab dictatorship.

Erdoğan is all about the money; he doesn't really buy into this 'union' and isn't planning to send any troops. For Ankara, Riyadh is just paying for Turkey's neutrality, not its backing in a conflict.

Qatar isn't getting much Turkish support either, even with a similar agreement, because they're involved in an attack on Iran. The same goes for the Saudis.

Pakistanis are trying to split the burden of having to defend the Saudis but hurting their relationship with Turkey in the process. The Iranians aren't dumb either. They know there's no constellation in the near future where Turkey and Iran would attack each other directly for the sake of a third party.

Saudi investment into the Turkish defense sector is an important element.

Personally I don't like the new crown prince, but if the Saudis want to invest and buy, its in Turkish interests to sell, I doubt they expect anything from Turkish troops, the formula is more centered around, Saudi provides the money, Pakistan the manpower and nuclear umbrella and Turkey the tech they all need. This pact is more a cooperate and coordination agreement rather than any article 5 type element.

For the article 5 element, the Saudis want it on a bilateral basis with Pakistan, now involving Turkey, from what Ragip Soylu wrote.

 

[Panzerkiel]

@Panzerkiel
Will this pact limit our response option vis a vis India?
Let's say we are going to hit the indian economic targets and all of a sudden these two fks start crying like no, can India not blackmail them that if Pakistan hits our economic target we are going to yours?.

They exactly tried this last year before our real retaliation started....we didnt listen then, we wont in the future as well. Own interests come first!

 

[maxpane]

They exactly tried this last year before our real retaliation started....we didnt listen then, we wont in the future as well. Own interests come first!

Pakistan first bhar main jayen baki sub

 

[SD 10]

Pakistan is the one pushing to include Saudi Arabia in everything related to Pakistan-Turkey, and this is definitely going to backfire. The Turkish people aren't exactly fans of the Saudi leadership. Three's a crowd and one too many in a happy relationship, and forcing Riyadh into the mix is a misstep on Pakistan's part. This move is only going to distance the Turkish public from Pakistan and make Islamabad seem like just another Arab dictatorship.

Erdoğan is all about the money; he doesn't really buy into this 'union' and isn't planning to send any troops. For Ankara, Riyadh is just paying for Turkey's neutrality, not its backing in a conflict.

Qatar isn't getting much Turkish support either, even with a similar agreement, because they're involved in an attack on Iran. The same goes for the Saudis.

Pakistanis are trying to split the burden of having to defend the Saudis but hurting their relationship with Turkey in the process. The Iranians aren't dumb either. They know there's no constellation in the near future where Turkey and Iran would attack each other directly for the sake of a third party.

Money is the issue for Pakistan, dont think anyone in the establishment wants to fight iran either but we are in deep shit. Financial situation of the country is poor so we have to bide time otherwise saudis are useless allies. They are not independent and cant do shit without the permission of uncle sam

 

[Yasser76]

This is great news.

Pakistan has had great defence cooperation with Turkiye recently and this can take things to the next level. A joint Saudi/Pak buy of Kaan for instance will massively lower unit costs.
Pakistan brings Nukes and vast trained manpower while Saudi deep pockets. Many posters here have whined about the Muslim world not combining and when they do, people still whine.

Forget about India, Pakistan does not need Turkish or Saudi jets or manpower for that, we already proved it. If this pact gives us economic and diplomatic cover as well as ensure Turkish military supplies and Saudi oil during a conflict with India that is all we need.

Also know, Pakistan's nukes have been introduced to the Turkiye/Israel and Saudi/Israel equation, that is a good step for the Muslim world, especally more so if soon Turks get F-35 and Kaan.

Now means room for manouvre for Israel and India has tightened.As a little side perk the Al Nayans and Makhtoums will be fuming....