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[Foinikas]

I thought you were supporting Ukraine like Mitsotakis? lol, now you went back to Orthodox Brother Putin?

My government is supporting Ukraine. The people themselves are divided about this. And I'm talking about something objectively that you can see. I'm not saying Putin was right or wrong.

 

[Foinikas]

They should have agree to a federal Bosnia in 1992 but decided to use military force to take what they wanted.

But the problem was,same with the mess that happened in the USSR as well,the Bosnian Muslims wanted to leave the Federation(Yugoslavia),but the Serbs didn't. They wanted to stay.The Croats were ok more or less,but they mostly wanted Herzegovina to be part of Croatia.

Anway why do you think the US/West was anti-Serb?

They gave the biggest support to the Serbs by imposing that "arms embargo" when the Serbs had all the weapons and the Bosnians hardly any. Without that "arms embargo", Muslim countries would have flooded the Bosnians with heavy weapons and the Serbs would not have been able to capture as much territory as they were able to.

The embargo applied to Croats as well. The embargo was another one of those dumb UN strategies,just like in Libya,where they would impose an arms embargo,yet wouldn't dare enforce it on Turkish ships arming the GNA or Russians arming the LNA.

Some of the biggest triumphs of Western propaganda happened in Bosnia. Madeleine Albright,zionist and heavily anti-Serb,was leading the fight.

But here's the interesting thing that ties it all with this thread here:

In all these cases,Turkey had a geopolitical victory:

Bosnia-The creation of a pro-Turkish State with the Bosnian Muslims cherishing their Ottoman past

Kosovo-The creation of yet another majority Muslim State in the Balkans,friendly to Turkey

Libya-The GNA government of Tripoli has given Turkey a foot on North Africa and ways to,even illegally,circumvent international law and sign EEZ agreements. Don't forget the other opportunities: Bases,investments,oil,cannon fodder.

Syria-Probably the biggest geopolitical triumph of Turkey after Libya. A vassal State with more EEZ agreements,oil opportunities,investments,cannon fodder and it's basically a huge base for the Turkish Armed Forces. Plenty of opportunities.

Ukraine-Zelensky cooperates,Putin cooperates...Erdogan is making money out of both.

 

[UKBengali]

But the problem was,same with the mess that happened in the USSR as well,the Bosnian Muslims wanted to leave the Federation(Yugoslavia),but the Serbs didn't. They wanted to stay.The Croats were ok more or less,but they mostly wanted Herzegovina to be part of Croatia.


The embargo applied to Croats as well. The embargo was another one of those dumb UN strategies,just like in Libya,where they would impose an arms embargo,yet wouldn't dare enforce it on Turkish ships arming the GNA or Russians arming the LNA.

Some of the biggest triumphs of Western propaganda happened in Bosnia. Madeleine Albright,zionist and heavily anti-Serb,was leading the fight.

But here's the interesting thing that ties it all with this thread here:

In all these cases,Turkey had a geopolitical victory:

Bosnia-The creation of a pro-Turkish State with the Bosnian Muslims cherishing their Ottoman past

Kosovo-The creation of yet another majority Muslim State in the Balkans,friendly to Turkey

Libya-The GNA government of Tripoli has given Turkey a foot on North Africa and ways to,even illegally,circumvent international law and sign EEZ agreements. Don't forget the other opportunities: Bases,investments,oil,cannon fodder.

Syria-Probably the biggest geopolitical triumph of Turkey after Libya. A vassal State with more EEZ agreements,oil opportunities,investments,cannon fodder and it's basically a huge base for the Turkish Armed Forces. Plenty of opportunities.

Ukraine-Zelensky cooperates,Putin cooperates...Erdogan is making money out of both.

Yes but a minority cannot dictate to a majority how they want to be governed.

They needed to accept that Yugoslavia was no more and worked with Bosnians and Croats to set up some sort of federal structure where their rights would be respected.

By in large the 3 populations were separated into 3 distinct regions and so they could generally go about their lives without much conflict with others and the size of the population was vast for the land area and so plenty of space for all.

As for your other points, yes Turkey is no saint and has caused mischief in many countries in the region but even trying to take my Muslim bias(I am human after all) out, the Serbs were mainly in the wrong for causing the Bosnian war. I am not saying that Bosnians and also Croats did not also commit crimes against Serbs in the Bosnian war.

Was the massacre of 8,000 Bosnian men and even boys anyway acceptable in Srebrenica? That one act damned the Bosnia Serbs in the eyes of the world.

Turkey did not really have that much influence what happened in Bosnia and in fact in terms of military support more came from countries like Iran and even Pakistan.

 

[Foinikas]

They needed to accept that Yugoslavia was no more and worked with Bosnians and Croats to set up some sort of federal structure where their rights would be respected.

But that was the problem. Izetbegovic wanted to make Bosnia independent asap. And the Serbs didn't want to leave Yugoslavia.

As for your other points, yes Turkey is no saint and has caused mischief in many countries in the region but even trying to take my Muslim bias(I am human after all) out, the Serbs were mainly in the wrong for causing the Bosnian war. I am not saying that Bosnians and also Croats did not also commit crimes against Serbs in the Bosnian war.

Was the massacre of 8,000 Bosnian men and even boys anyway acceptable in Srebrenica? That one act damned the Bosnia Serbs in the eyes of the world.

And that's the whole thing,Westerners and Muslims have bought the whole "Serbs are to blame for everything" when it comes to the war. Same thing as "Assad is to blame for everything". The Srebrenica massacre or incident or whatever you want to call it,was one of the biggest propaganda victories the Anglo-British ever had. Without having confirmed anything,Albreight appears and says "Serbs killed 9,000 Muslims". I think it was General Morillon of the UN who said "If the Serbs executed 8,000 men,they did a damn good job at hiding". Things don't add up. It's a big discussion for another time,but I could post on your wall if you want.

Turkey did not really have that much influence what happened in Bosnia and in fact in terms of military support more came from countries like Iran and even Pakistan.

They did play their role,they did provide help. Maybe more during the Kosovo war they provided more help. But yeah,I think Iran and Pakistan's help was more obvious. I think Iran back then was just trying to gain influence in the Balkans and more favor in the Muslim world.

 

[UKBengali]

But that was the problem. Izetbegovic wanted to make Bosnia independent asap. And the Serbs didn't want to leave Yugoslavia.


And that's the whole thing,Westerners and Muslims have bought the whole "Serbs are to blame for everything" when it comes to the war. Same thing as "Assad is to blame for everything". The Srebrenica massacre or incident or whatever you want to call it,was one of the biggest propaganda victories the Anglo-British ever had. Without having confirmed anything,Albreight appears and says "Serbs killed 9,000 Muslims". I think it was General Morillon of the UN who said "If the Serbs executed 8,000 men,they did a damn good job at hiding". Things don't add up. It's a big discussion for another time,but I could post on your wall if you want.


They did play their role,they did provide help. Maybe more during the Kosovo war they provided more help. But yeah,I think Iran and Pakistan's help was more obvious. I think Iran back then was just trying to gain influence in the Balkans and more favor in the Muslim world.

Again your missing the point.

Yogoslavia by the time had disintegrated. Slovenia and Croatia had left Yugoslavia.

Why should the Bosnias stay in a Serb dominated rump Yugoslavia anymore?

Bosnia actually wanted to keep Yugoslavia intact but the Slovenians and Croats did not and so what was left was not the Yugoslavia they had been loyal to over 70 years.

No-one said the Serbs are to blame for everything but going around committing genocide like in Srebrenica is not going to help get people on your side.

 

[Foinikas]

Again your missing the point.

Yogoslavia by the time had disintegrated. Slovenia and Croatia had left Yugoslavia.

Why should the Bosnias stay in a Serb dominated rump Yugoslavia anymore?

It was the same problem that ex-USSR countries have inherited. Georgia and the South Ossetians and Abkhazians,Armenia and Azerbaijan with Nagorno-Karabakh and Nahicevan,Moldova with Transnistria,Ukraine with Crimea and the eastern provinces,I think maybe even Kyrgiz and Tajik areas had problems.

No-one said the Serbs are to blame for everything but going around committing genocide like in Srebrenica is not going to help get people on your side.

But that's the point,there was no "genocide". Nothing that the other two factions weren't doing. There atrocities by all sides,but nothing like the Anglo-British media presented back then and later popularized in order to justify an intervention by the US and NATO.

Same thing with Assad,every few months they were saying "oooh there's a chemical attack coming!"....and there was some incident. Those Syrians and their Russian friends must have been reaaaaallly stupid,doing such an attack after Americans warned the world they would do such an attack. It's ridiculous. It makes no sense.

 

[Foinikas]

@UKBengali I mean...remember this? Where's @Persian Gulf let me tag him too

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[UKBengali]

@UKBengali I mean...remember this? Where's @Persian Gulf let me tag him too

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Yep, this is US media attempt at lying to push for war against Assad,

The US had its own interests in Bosnia but to be honest what Bill Clinton did in Bosnia was to stop a war where the dominant group was disadvantaged due to the "arms embargo" which affected it more than the Serbs who had access to the whole Yugoslav Army arsenal.

Yes the US usually does bad things for its own interests but for once in Bosnia it did more good than harm.


What's done is done and the Serbs have pretty much their own self governing state now. We need to move on from this unfortunate period of history.

 

[Foinikas]

Yep, this is US media attempt at lying to push for war against Assad,

They couldn't justify their intervention,in the end they said ok,let's fight some of the terrorists and they got in. Turkey did the same,although it was mostly against the Kurds. Now,they got a golden opportunity to build a vassal State,a big base. Of course if everything goes well and there isn't any interference from USA,Russia or any other country in the region. They could even annex the Turkmen territories in the north with a referandum,who's gonna say no,Julani? It's a whole new world of opportunities for Turkey and it just makes Erdogan want more and more. He'll think,I made it in Libya,nobody cared. I made it in NKR,nobody cared. I did it in Syria...if nobody cares,we're free to do what we want. Everyone is distracted with Ukraine and Gaza.

 

[UKBengali]

They couldn't justify their intervention,in the end they said ok,let's fight some of the terrorists and they got in. Turkey did the same,although it was mostly against the Kurds. Now,they got a golden opportunity to build a vassal State,a big base. Of course if everything goes well and there isn't any interference from USA,Russia or any other country in the region. They could even annex the Turkmen territories in the north with a referandum,who's gonna say no,Julani? It's a whole new world of opportunities for Turkey and it just makes Erdogan want more and more. He'll think,I made it in Libya,nobody cared. I made it in NKR,nobody cared. I did it in Syria...if nobody cares,we're free to do what we want. Everyone is distracted with Ukraine and Gaza.

And the territory occupied by the Zionist entity gets larger with each passing day. Notice in the NE they are occupying more land on the Lebanese border and getting closer to Damascus with each passing day.

What a joke this "liberation" is!

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[Foinikas]

And the territory occupied by the Zionist entity gets larger with each passing day. Notice in the NE they are occupying more land on the Lebanese border and getting closer to Damascus with each passing day.

The funny thing is,even if they wanted,the new government can't do anything against them. Of course,the previous government can't do anything either but it could defend some areas and it did have powerful allies that could negotiate with Israel. Now,the HTS government has virtually no significant weapons left and the only guarantor of their "territorial integrity" doesn't seem to keen on forcing the yahood out

I'm looking at the map you posted above and I'm thinking...day by day they get closer to Damascus.

 

[UKBengali]

The funny thing is,even if they wanted,the new government can't do anything against them. Of course,the previous government can't do anything either but it could defend some areas and it did have powerful allies that could negotiate with Israel. Now,the HTS government has virtually no significant weapons left and the only guarantor of their "territorial integrity" doesn't seem to keen on forcing the yahood out

I'm looking at the map you posted above and I'm thinking...day by day they get closer to Damascus.

Mount Hermon is totally occupied now and unlike some dreamer here who suggests this will be given back once a "disengagement agreement" is signed this is permanent occupation.

"New Syria" cannot do or offer anything to get these strategic areas back and so why should the Zionists give any of it back?!

Also that area in the far south was taken to control a dam that supplies 30% of Syria's fresh water. 40% also of Jordan but the Toy King is already a total Zio-US puppet and so makes no difference there.

Forget about dropping 2000lb bombs on Jolani's head, the Zionists can just turn off the water!

 

[Foinikas]

Mount Hermon is totally occupied now and unlike some dreamer here who suggests this will be given back once a "disengagement agreement" is signed this is permanent occupation.

"New Syria" cannot do or offer anything to get these strategic areas back and so why should the Zionists give any of it back?!

Also that area in the far south was taken to control a dam that supplies 30% of Syria's fresh water. 40% also of Jordan but the Toy King is already a total Zio-US puppet and so makes no difference there.

Forget about dropping 2000lb bombs on Jolani's head, the Zionists can just turn off the water!

They haven't given anything back since the Sinai peninsula,on the contrary they have been getting more and more!!

And the laughing boys don't get it. Some are even so deluded they actually think Jolani and Erdogan will use Syria to launch a "liberation" of Jerusalem and all of Palestine. It's...the amount of copium used for this dream....it's...unbelievable.

 

[UKBengali]

They haven't given anything back since the Sinai peninsula,on the contrary they have been getting more and more!!

And the laughing boys don't get it. Some are even so deluded they actually think Jolani and Erdogan will use Syria to launch a "liberation" of Jerusalem and all of Palestine. It's...the amount of copium used for this dream....it's...unbelievable.

The Turks here know the score of course but why are there some Pakistanis and others buying into this narrative like this is a great victory for the resistance!

Just look at the map - Syria is losing more and more of its most strategic locations to the Zionist entity with each passing day.

Also Jolani and his "government" have publicy said that they want good relations with the entity. Well, you need to recognise its occupation of Palestine first which is something that Assad refused to do.

Does this look like a bunch of people that care about resisting the occupation of Palestine at all to anyone?!

 

[Foinikas]

The Turks here know the score of course but why are there some Pakistanis and others buying into this narrative like this is a great victory for the resistance!

Just look at the map - Syria is losing more and more of its most strategic locations to the Zionist entity with each passing day.

Also Jolani and his "government" have publicy said that they want good relations with the entity. Well, you need to recognise its occupation of Palestine first which is something that Assad refused to do.

Does this look like a bunch of people that care about resisting the occupation of Palestine at all to anyone?!

If you ask Pakistanis if they liked a TTP government,they'd say "of course not",but when it comes to Syria,they think it's a gold opportunity for the liberation of Palestine. Some even dream of neo-Ottoman empires. Not a Mughal Empire,an Ottoman one. If tomorrow Netanyahu decides "Damascus is ours and we need it",who will stop him? Erdogan? Will he dare send the Turkish Air Force to protect Damascus? It's laughable.