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[Indos]

If we see from Hadith, authoritarian regime of Muslim world will be replaced with democratic system in end time ( Caliph during Abu Bakar, Umar, Ustman, Ali are in essence is primitive democracy)

I believe it start from Indonesia, then Turkiye, now we want to see Syria

Malaysia is pretty mix since it is still Kingdom

 

[Indos]

If we see from Hadith, authoritarian regime of Muslim world will be replaced with democratic system in end time ( Caliph during Abu Bakar, Umar, Ustman, Ali are in essence is primitive democracy)

I believe it start from Indonesia, then Turkiye, now we want to see Syria

Malaysia is pretty mix since it is still Kingdom

Now Indonesia and Turkiye are leading in economy as well

 

[Indos]

It doesnt mean I want to see Kingdoms in Saudi, UAE, Qatar be toppled. No of course, their people see content to their gov as well.

They are not brutal regime like Saddam and Assad families.

As long as the gov, even in the form of Kingdom, act like how Caliph behave during Abu Bakar, Umar, until Ali then maybe their system will stay

 

[Indos]

If we see from Hadith, authoritarian regime of Muslim world will be replaced with democratic system in end time ( Caliph during Abu Bakar, Umar, Ustman, Ali are in essence is primitive democracy)

I believe it start from Indonesia, then Turkiye, now we want to see Syria

Malaysia is pretty mix since it is still Kingdom

Caliph is broken when they use military means to solve dispute ( Ali vs Aisha). They are weaken due to division, then Muawiyah take advantage.

In essence Caliph is Democratic form of Government. Islamic scholar already know about this. Historian also find election system and debate use when Muslim solve dispute about leadership between Quraish vs Anshar after prophet Muhammad pass away.

They solve dispute not with war, but debate and votings. Read biography of Abu Bakar written by famous Egyptian Historian Muhammad Haikal

 

[Falcon29]

The Israelis don't have the capacity to take over any significant population centers, and hold them, thats far too much of a commitment for them, especially with them engaged on two different fronts in Gaza and Lebanon. So far they did take the heights and they have taken areas in the buffer zone, but not much more. Its a loss but its not crippling. for coparison, They control more territory in Lebanon currently post ceasefire than they took in Syria post assad.

I believe this is a trap to goad them into attack in a reactive way. if you attack or confront them militarily it will be used to justify intervention from outside power and cause other effect, and its a especially bad idea when control has not been consolidated over the whole of the country yet. the PKK areas, Al Tanf and the northern bank of the Euphrates is still by foreign powers.

The matter of priority should be first to consolidate the rule and stabilize, Turkey can help in destroying the PKK. Manbij has already been taken back largely and they have pushed the PKK east of the Euphrates, the remaining areas need to be consolidated for Syrian territorial integrity.

In the meantime anything that is of military value should be taken underground if such facilities exist or scatter deeper into syria, making it less accessable, in term of minimizing losses.

once things are consolidated and there is some stability other matters can be assessed. currently things are far too fluid. its only been a couple of day since Damascus was taken.

@Unknowntruth

Exactly what he said. Syria is in ruins. Despite being able to topple Assad and his force, the opposition isn't that strong nor organized, . And half of the country is occupied by the Kurds/US, which is worse than this current Israeli incursion. The US is cementing Kurdish illegal occupation of eastern Syria while Israel does the job of trying to sabotage any attempt to build a Syrian state and government. It wants sanctions to remain. It wants rebels to remain weak.

It wants to goad them into this trap. And as we're speaking, lots of enemies of the revolution will try to plant car bombs and make assassination attempts on revolutionary leadership like Al Golani and others. Opposition is no position to fight. They have to cement control over Syria and establish a government and political process and spend years to rehabilitate. What will hurt Israel is not lobbing some rockets or mortars at it. It's the long term restoration of Syria as a state with functioning civil services and military that will. The future is promising for the Syrian opposition. But they need time.

For now if this gets worse, they can ask for Turkish/Arab deployments on the border to prevent further Israeli incursion. Or Arabs use of diplomatic pressure and measures to do so. Arabs and Turkey won't allow the revolution to fail. No need to worry. The airstrikes and invasions of Gaza and Lebanon were many times worse. And especially so in Gaza. But Gaza was under a long term siege/blockade and had nothing to lose. Syrians are a country not a isolated territory. It's a different dynamic. Allow them to flourish in coming years. Hopefully ceasefire will be had in Gaza. And allow more deterrents to form in the region. Anything offensive/liberation minded is reckless at this time and will give Israel what it wants. As it has all the advantages at the time being. And the fight would be on Israeli terms.

 

[ResurgentIran2]

It does bother me, but what do you want me to do? Of course it bothers me, what is the solution for this? if You tell me, just let assad murder and rape people in his prison, murder people with barrel bombs, millions of syrians around the world are displaced, and he wouldn't allow them to return home.

I'm sorry I don't accept this.

I watched the Idlib pocket get bombed every day since the Astana agreement "ceasefire" almost 7-8 years ago, that bothered me greatly. But the same people that supposedly care about Syrians cheered it on.

Its also incredibly rich, when i know for a fact that there were many in Iran who cheered on the Iraq invasion by the US, under their basis of Shia in Iraq being freed from Saddam and Iran gaining strategic depth and the removal of the man who invaded Iran.

I'm going to speak quite frankly here, from what i can see, Most Syrians support the Opposition, most Palestinians supported the opposition, and most Sunni Arabs supported the Opposition, Most Turks supported the Syrian opposition. The only people that opposed the opposition seem to be those in the Iranian sphere whether Iranians themselves or coconfessionalists, which make one wonder whether this is all really about the interests of Palestine and Syria or whether its about vested Shia/Iranian interests with regards to Hezbollah and the Iranian corridor to Lebanon.

Listen, I already told you I dont give a **** about Assad. We can all agree he is a useless coward and he is a closed chapter.

The rebels have taken over Syria. Everyone, including Iran, has already conceded this and accepted reality.

What most of us are saying here is that the opposition (well now the new government) better get its act together quick. I realise there is always a "honeymoon period" with celebrations when taking over country from Assad.
But as we speak, Israel is not only bombing every critical asset out of existence, they are advancing on the ground with their tanks and are 20 km from Damascus!!

Anyway I wish Syrians all the best. The rebels took control over Syria without any meaningful resistance or fight from the SAA, who just surrendered. Meaning the Syrians (both rebel forces and SAA) should be able to mount a resistance to Israels land grab. But
But in the end its the choice of Syrians what they want to do.

 

[hyperman]

Something needs to be Done the Israelis seem to be trying to take the entire border region between Lebanon and Syria, its not just the Golan, but all the way up to the Damascus Lebanon road.

I believe the primary target for their operation is Hezbollah. despite all the bombings being in Syria. But this is not good for either country, Idk what the correct step is, b/c the areas in the rear are ocupied by the PKK, so any movement towards the south to defend around damascus could prompt the PKK to come in from the back.

but there is a need for more parties to get involved to stop this. Syria is not in a position to handle this alone.

There is a need for both Hezbollah and Syria to cooperate and not allow fiat accompli.

I don't think either Iraq or Iran can sit this one out, if there is to be any attempt to stop the Israeli encroachment.

Turkey would be able to help against the PKK, but there is not much that Turkey would be able to do on the Damascus front.

There needs to be an arab league summit called to discuss these matters. To put up a joint effort, regardless of how one feels about the Syrian situation.

 

[mulj]

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So what is going to be done about this? I don’t see any news reporting this or any action being taken to defend against this.

What now?

Basher Assad is a criminal and he deserves everything he got but now Syria is losing strategic territory without any whimper?

I hope Turkey has an answer to tackle this issue. I don’t think getting rid of Bashar just to have Israel steal territory is a good thing. I see nothing but silence about this.

I hope people settle down from the euphoria now and start to ponder what next or Syria is in trouble.

@UKBengali
@Meengla
@Falcon29
@hussain0216
@Aziqbal
@Kyussis
@mulj

I suppose establishing legitimacy for new rulers will be priority number one, before that i doubt that thre would be any reaction. Give them some days, i also wish that there is day after plan for zionist treat but anyway they be bigger enemy of israel then bashar ever was.

 

[mulj]

You can still be for Syrias integrity including its military capacity to defend itself, without being pro Assad. Most here wont shed a tear if Assad gets hit by a bus. Assad proved to be useless and a coward, so we can all agree with that.

But the issue before us as we speak is while ya'll are drunk on your so called success, the Israeli military is utterly DESTROYING every key Syrian military asset, and stripping Syria of its ability to defend itself.
This does not bother you? It doesnt faze you?

Those capabilities were junk value for while and do not know what the fuss abut it. During the civil war people were pissed how jews have free reign above syrian skies, so what particularra has changed?
Give them space both syrians and turks to do things properla.

 

[Indos]

Ya the Israel action can give Turkiye legitimacy to put their military assets there

Netanyahu is an emotional driven person.

 

[Indos]

Ya the Israel action can give Turkiye legitimacy to put their military assets there

Netanyahu is an emotional driven person.

Turkiye can reach other Muslim nations as well if they dont want to handle Israel alone. Those rich Arab countries can buy Chinese SAM system or Turkish SAM system for Syrian for free

 

[Indos]

Turkiye can reach other Muslim nations as well if they dont want to handle Israel alone. Those rich Arab countries can buy Chinese SAM system or Turkish SAM system for Syrian for free

Chinese SAM can test F35 now if it is put in Syria

 

[UKBengali]

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So what is going to be done about this? I don’t see any news reporting this or any action being taken to defend against this.

What now?

Basher Assad is a criminal and he deserves everything he got but now Syria is losing strategic territory without any whimper?

I hope Turkey has an answer to tackle this issue. I don’t think getting rid of Bashar just to have Israel steal territory is a good thing. I see nothing but silence about this.

I hope people settle down from the euphoria now and start to ponder what next or Syria is in trouble.

@UKBengali
@Meengla
@Falcon29
@hussain0216
@Aziqbal
@Kyussis
@mulj

Donald Trump already said on TV the entity is "too small".

Trump will bark orders at Erdogan and the "Sultan" will do as he is told.

 

[hussain0216]

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So what is going to be done about this? I don’t see any news reporting this or any action being taken to defend against this.

What now?

Basher Assad is a criminal and he deserves everything he got but now Syria is losing strategic territory without any whimper?

I hope Turkey has an answer to tackle this issue. I don’t think getting rid of Bashar just to have Israel steal territory is a good thing. I see nothing but silence about this.

I hope people settle down from the euphoria now and start to ponder what next or Syria is in trouble.

@UKBengali
@Meengla
@Falcon29
@hussain0216
@Aziqbal
@Kyussis
@mulj

They only have a presence there, the area Including the Golan is Syrian territory under international law

The Israeli are worried that under a new Syrian sovereign state, they can turn to the U.N and even go to the U.N security council and request a demand for Israel to relinquish all control of the Golan back to the sovereign state of Syria

And under international law Syria would be completely justified

So Israel is trying to cut that off, BUT they don't have any significant presence in these new areas, they have just pushed through with tanks and a few soldier's, Israel is still in the Golan

And they want to RENEGOTIATE the old agreement with assad, over control of the Golan


The new Syria must ABSOLUTELY NOT DO THIS,


A legitimate government must be set up in Damascus, that government first action must not be attack Israel (that will come later for the entire region) then it must use its new status to hammer Israeli occupation of sovereign Syrian territory in everywhere it can and refuse any negotiations



In the meantime it's vital turkey and the Arabs help Syria safeguard it's territory from strikes

 

[Indos]

Turkiye can reach other Muslim nations as well if they dont want to handle Israel alone. Those rich Arab countries can buy Chinese SAM system or Turkish SAM system for Syrian for free

Just watch Israeli analist in AJ English. Actually Israel feel more comfortable with Bashar weak regime under support of Iran which economy is in trouble situation.

The reason Israel grab more land in Goland Heigh because they see current situation is more dangerous for them so precation action is needed to make better defensive line for Israel.