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This loser group is still chasing dreams

The UK , Germany , Italy and Spain support Turkiye to get Eurofighter and METEOR Missile


France approved the sale of the METEOR Missile to Turkiye months ago and the Eurofighter agreement was signed including METEOR Missiles

France can not block it and France is nothing in METEOR Missile technology


The UK won't miss such a big sale ( $10 billion ) because of France.

 

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This loser group is still chasing dreams

The UK , Germany , Italy and Spain support Turkiye to get Eurofighter and METEOR Missile


France approved the sale of the METEOR Missile to Turkiye months ago and the Eurofighter agreement was signed including METEOR Missiles

France can not block it and France is nothing in METEOR Missile technology
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The UK won't miss such a big sale ( $10 billion ) because of France.

I remember the ramjet of BVRAAM is from SAFRAN in France. The ramjet is the most crucial part of the air-to-air. Did I remember it wrong?

 

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I remember the ramjet of BVRAAM is from SAFRAN in France. The ramjet is the most crucial part of the air-to-air. Did I remember it wrong?

Solid-fuel ramjet Engine from German Company Bayern-chemie

Products | Bayern-Chemie

 

[GoatsMilk]

The Turks have been stung by USA after sanctions despite being Nato country

They are spending billions of dollars on a non USA fighter as the trust deficit is massive

A war with Greece or Israel and Turks will get no spares from USA
F16s no matter how cheap for some countries are a bad option USA can sabotage you at moments notice
And they will stop spares to stop a shooting war

Nailed on USA will not support F16 in war situation if your Turkey v Greece or Cyprus or Israel

USA will not support Pakistan F16 in war with India because they want it stopped asap. Nuclear escalation.

So what good are cheap F16s

Turkey had no choice but to blow 10 billion dollars on Typhoons... USA gave no reassurance of support and they kicked them out of F35 programme

However if you are both Turkey or Pakistan and are fighting an opponent like china north Korea or Iran or Russia you will get spares because it serves the USA interests

This is why Turkey is doing this
Kaan is decade away they need Interim option that is non USA dependent

The big reason Turkiye has this domestic drive towards self sufficiency is exactly because of the sanctions that came with the 1974 war that the greeks started. A war in which the greeks were crushed.

The problem for the USA/Europe and even Isreal, a Turkiye aligned with Russia, China is far more dangerous to them. Then one who slaps the greeks about now and again. And truth be told if another war came against the greeks, a similar situation would occur, lots of outrage, some sanctions for a few years then back to business. Because Turkish geography is not something can be isolated without giving massive benefits to your rivals.

But those sanctions are short term hindrances that provide massive long term advantage to Turkiye. Since Turks are the kind of people who are exceptionally passive until they are "forced" to be aggressive. USA wouldn't sell Turkiye armed drones, within 10 years Turkiye not only produced her own armed drones she turned into the world largest exporter of armed drones.

NATO loses Turkiye and things become exceptionally difficult for them in the eastern med, blacksea, balkans, eastern europe, caucuses, middle east and central asia. Would be a disaster scenario for Europe.

The west/NATO doesnt do anything for Turkiye because they want to help us, they do it because they fear if they dont give something we look eastwards.

 

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The big reason Turkiye has this domestic drive towards self sufficiency is exactly because of the sanctions that came with the 1974 war that the greeks started. A war in which the greeks were crushed.

Turkiye was become the 3rd Country in NATO that produce its own Cruise Missiles with its own turbojet Engines


Turbojet engine producers in NATO
USA : Teledyne and Williams
France : SAFRAN
Turkiye : KALE-ARGE and TEI

France blocked sale of TR-40 turbojet engine to Turkiye for SOM Cruise Misisle
and Turkiye has developed its own turbojet engines

CAKIR Cruise Missile with KTJ-1750 turbojet engine ✓
SOM and ATMACA Cruise Missiles with KTJ-3200 turbojet engine ✓
ATMACA-UM Cruise Missile with KTJ-3700 turbojet engine ✓


Another great lesson for them to think West can stop the Turks with embargoes

Greece buys Cruise Missiles with limited numbers
( 90 SCALP and 30 EXOCET for Air Force)


on the other hand , Turkiye produce 400 SOM , 200 CAKIR and hundreds of ATMACA Cruise Misisles


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Btw , Turkish ATMACA-UM Cruise Missile can reach range of 500+ km if it launch from air platforms

 

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Turkiye was become the 3rd Country in NATO that produce its own Cruise Missiles with its own turbojet Engines


Turbojet engine producers in NATO
USA : Teledyne and Williams
France : SAFRAN
Turkiye : KALE-ARGE and TEI

France blocked sale of TR-40 turbojet engine to Turkiye for SOM Cruise Misisle
and Turkiye has developed its own turbojet engines

CAKIR Cruise Missile with KTJ-1750 turbojet engine ✓
SOM and ATMACA Cruise Missiles with KTJ-3200 turbojet engine ✓
ATMACA-UM Cruise Missile with KTJ-3700 turbojet engine ✓
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Another great lesson for them to think West can stop the Turks with embargoes

Greece buys Cruise Missiles with limited numbers
( 90 SCALP and 30 EXOCET for Air Force)


on the other hand , Turkiye produce 400 SOM , 200 CAKIR and hundreds of ATMACA Cruise Misisles


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Btw , Turkish ATMACA-UM Cruise Missile can reach range of 500+ km if it launch from air platforms
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When the Anglo-American dominated western world looks back 25 years from now, they will realise that military sanctions were maybe the biggest mistake they made in trying to control Turkish actions.

All its done so far is make Turks move towards their own projects and as Turkish capacity improves her geopolitical actions become bigger and bolder.

 

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When the Anglo-American dominated western world looks back 25 years from now, they will realise that military sanctions were maybe the biggest mistake they made in trying to control Turkish actions.

not even 25 years from now , just 10 years

President ERDOGAN
I always say this, and I reiterate it today: The obstacles we encounter on the path to our goals will only slow us down, perhaps delay us a bit, but they can never prevent us from reaching our destination.

We will either find a way or open one, and eventually, we will reach our goal


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20 years ago Turkiye had nothing
but now , I can show over 100 Turkish military projects for Air Force

Our NATO Allies created a huge Turkish defense industry... Thanks to their embargoes they imposed on Turkiye

 

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One question: If,let's say if,for some reason France actually insists on saying no and blocks the sale of Meteor to Turkey,will Turkey go on with the purchase? Months ago there was a lot of debate about whether France can or cannot block the sale.

The other night,some article popped up on my feed. It's from some ukrainian site:

Eurofighter Typhoon can show its full potential only with the Meteor missile, but Turkieye may face trouble getting it​

Signing an unusually priced deal between Türkiye and the United Kingdom for 44 Eurofighter Typhoon fighters worth a total of $10.7 billion does not mean Ankara can now calmly expect to receive the aircraft. Every fighter needs weapons, and that is exactly where problems may arise.

Even though the overall contract includes $1 billion for armament, this is clearly not a firm weapons contract. At the same time, the UK can, of all its air-to-air missiles, only sell Turkiye the short-range ASRAAM, with a launch range of about 25 km.

Meteor long-range air-to-air missile / Open-source photo
For long-range armament, however, one must turn to MBDA, which is responsible for the Eurofighter's main air-to-air weapon the long-range Meteor missile.

It should be recalled that MBDA is a pan-European consortium; moreover, the conglomerates headquarters are in France, which is one of its member states. Therefore, approval from Paris is required for the sale or re-export of any armament.

Eurofighter Typhoon / Open-source photo

Türkiye already has a very negative experience obtaining such green lights from European partners it spent three years negotiating with Germany to secure permission to buy the Eurofighter. For this reason, whether Turkish Eurofighters will be equipped with long-range weapons objectively depends on Paris.

Moreover, we must remember that the French decision will be made under pressure from both the UK and Türkiye, which will demand permission to supply Meteors, and from Greece, which has already strongly warned against selling these missiles to Türkiye.

Rafale armed with MICA and Meteor missiles / Open-source photo
At the same time, Paris has consistently supported Athens in disputes over maritime borders with Ankara, has competed with Türkiye in Syria, and has backed the Kurds. Personal relations between the presidents of France and Turkieye are also very strained, with public insults exchanged since 2019.

All this makes obtaining approval for Turkieye to purchase Meteor long-range air-to-air missiles a truly difficult task. Meanwhile, without them, the Turkish Air Force is immediately at a disadvantage, since Greek Rafales are armed with Meteors. The only option Turkiy can oppose Meteor with are older versions of the American AIM-120 missiles.

Hey dude! we signed the deal with a stipulation of integrate domestic munitions. i personally dont support EF deal(wasting money for 4th gen fighter) but if they block Meteors(i wish) we can put GOKHAN on it, the missile is in firing test for 2 years, must be ready for novadays, there was additional ceremony to extend its range in IDEF 2025. So dont worry we have a solution for it.

 

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The delivery of 12 Eurofighter aircraft to be purchased from Qatar to Turkey is planned for the first quarter of 2026. The aircraft have a maximum of 200 flight hours.

Considering that a standard aircraft has a lifespan of 10,000 hours, these aircraft are "like brand new."

Eurofighter has a lifespan of 8000 hours afaik.

 

[Foinikas]

Your favorite,Babak Taghvaee

we can put GOKHAN on it, the missile is in firing test for 2 years

That makes more sense

 

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Eurofighter has a lifespan of 8000 hours afaik.

YES , Modern Fighter Jets are designed for a lifespan of 8,000 flight hours, typically flying 200 hours per year and Qatari Eurofighters have a maximum of 200 flight hours

so , 8.000 or 10.000 hours , that doesnt matter
TURAF can keep them mission-ready for another 25-30 years

 

[Foinikas]

The big reason Turkiye has this domestic drive towards self sufficiency is exactly because of the sanctions that came with the 1974 war that the greeks started. A war in which the greeks were crushed.

History lesson 101: Greeks didn't start the war. Turkey invaded the island. Yes,the idiots EOKA-B launched a coup and yes Makarios was already controversial in both West and Warsaw Pact,both to mainland Greece and Turkey,but the invasion was launched by Turkey,that's how the war started.

he problem for the USA/Europe and even Isreal, a Turkiye aligned with Russia, China is far more dangerous to them. Then one who slaps the greeks about now and again. And truth be told if another war came against the greeks, a similar situation would occur, lots of outrage, some sanctions for a few years then back to business. Because Turkish geography is not something can be isolated without giving massive benefits to your rivals.

Unless of course in the end,they are all fed up with AKPs capricious stance,constant backstabbing of both West and East and decide they've had enough and launch something ranging from regime changing with military means or partition of Turkey after airstrikes and full invasion from all sides or heavy proxy war. And this isn't 1920 where you can say "oh we will kick them all out again".

NATO loses Turkiye and things become exceptionally difficult for them in the eastern med, blacksea, balkans, eastern europe, caucuses, middle east and central asia. Would be a disaster scenario for Europe.

It would be exceptionally difficult for you too. That would mean,the majority of developed countries would cut all ties to you,treat you with extreme suspicion,impose heavy sanctions if not outright blockade and reinforce every enemy of Turkey. They'd probably prefer to see you partitioned or in complete chaos,rather than allied with Russia,Iran and anyone else they don't like.

Another great lesson for them to think West can stop the Turks with embargoes

Greece buys Cruise Missiles with limited numbers
( 90 SCALP and 30 EXOCET for Air Force)

I've corrected you so many times on this,yet you still repeat it. I've told you that we're past this number. I've told you again and again,that the "90 SCALP" was an old inventory number and we've received more and more after the Rafale deal. Yet,you continue to spread misinformation.

on the other hand , Turkiye produce 400 SOM , 200 CAKIR and hundreds of ATMACA Cruise Misisles


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Btw , Turkish ATMACA-UM Cruise Missile can reach range of 500+ km if it launch from air platforms

Then you don't need Eurofighter,you already have enough firepower to dominate the region.

 

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Then you don't need Eurofighter,you already have enough firepower to dominate the region.

Turkiye also will get the F-35 .. wait and see
maybe at the same time with Greece by 2028 , maybe earlier

6 Turkish F-35s have been in storage since 2019

 

[Foinikas]

6 Turkish F-35s have been in storage since 2019

It would be hilarious if they gave them to us instead.

 

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It would be hilarious if they gave them to us instead.

They can not do it . We paid for 6 F-35s
They are our F-35s and sooner or later they will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force