Turkish Air Force | News & Discussions

[Merzifonlu]

Why do you believe that Türkiye will succeed in a short time?

That's a great question. I appreciate intelligent mens. As far as I understand, this confidence rests on five pillars.

1- Extensive experience with high-power turbofan engines, such as the GE F110, gained through years of manufacturing F110 components. We've also been using and maintaining those engines for a long time.

2- Exceptional production expertise built on years of crafting civilian engine parts, with TEI consistently delivering the most flawless civilian turbofan engine components.

3- The TS-1400 engine was developed and produced in record time. Its recent inventory inclusion is due to the lengthy process of obtaining civilian certification, not its development timeline.

4- Proven expertise in ceramic coating and cooling channel technologies. Most notably, the discovery of a new single-crystal alloy with 30% greater tensile strength than existing alternatives.

5- Developing the TF-10000 engine was less challenging than we anticipated.

In summary, nearly 40 years of infrastructure and experience have laid the foundation for these achievements. This is not a short time.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkish Air Force will gain new BVR combat capabilities with Eurofighter that is capable of engaging at ranges around 200 km with METEOR air to air Missile


Eurofighter
even Eurofighter T3A's ECRS MK0 AESA Radar is superior to RAFALE's RBE2-AA AESA Radar and F-16V's APG-83 AESA Radar ... Total of 12 Qatari Eurofighter T-3A will join the Turkish Air Force in 2026 and TURAF will get 20 Eurofighter T-4 with superior ECRS MK2 AESA Radar in 2030

F-16 Block70 modernization
until 2030 , 200+ F-16s will be modernized to Block70 standard with OZGUR-2 upgrade program. The critical thing here will be Turkish-made MURAD-100A AESA Radar , FEWS next gen EW Suite also 185-200 km GOKBORA and GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missiles which featuring cutting-edge propulsion systems, onboard AESA Radar seeker and networked communication capabilities

KIZILELMA and ANKA-3/4
Unmanned stealth Fighter Jets will give advantage to the Turkish Air Force in BVR combat against 4,5 gen Fighters like SU-35 , J-10C , RAFALE , F-16V , F-15EX

While no Aircraft is completely invisible to Radar but ANKA-3 will be detected by Radars at range of 30 km. In this way stealth Platforms will make SEAD-DEAD role and BVR combat much easier

When they team up with E-7T AEWC and ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft they will create a deadly trilogy for air dominance and SEAD-DEAD role

Counties like Israel , Japan , S.Korea , India , France , Italy lack this technology
USA , Turkiye , China leads these technologies in the World


Long range Air to Air Missiles in the World
USA : 240 km AIM-174B .... ( 200 km AIM-260 JATM under development )
Russia : 300 km R-37 .... ( 300 km KS-172 )
China : 200 km PL-15 .... ( 300 km PL-21 with active Radar ( AESA )
Europe : 200 km METEOR
Israel : 250 km Sky Sting

Turkiye : 200+ km GOKHAN and 185+ km GOKBORA ( under development )
Japan : 200 km JNAAM ( under development )
India : 300 km Astra Mark-3 ( under development )

Türkiye becomes one of the few countries in the world to have the new generation long range BVR missiles to introduce complex new dynamics into the battle for control of the skies.

 

[harpy1]

When country spends over 10 billion dollars on a new weapons system I'm sure great deal of thought will have gone into this

Typhoon is massive long term commitment these aircraft don't arrive until 2030 and will remain in Turkish air power until 2050/2060

But dam these modern fighters cost a lot

 

[MMM-E]

TUBITAK-BILGEM Electronic Support Pod (EDPOD) in inventory


Only Turkiye and Israel in the region


EDPOD is an advanced electronic warfare system can identify, categorise, document, and pinpoint radar signals from various enemy radars involved in target detection, tracking, missile guidance, and illumination

EDPOD can archive extensive raw signal data for detailed post-mission analysis and facilitate real-time threat data sharing through Link-16 with ground forces and other airborne systems

This significantly improves situational awareness for F-16 pilots and aids in synchronized electronic warfare strategies.

EDPOD has made a strategic contribution to our electronic warfare capabilities


Critical Technology to reduce external dependency

Turkish Air Force inducts F-16 EDPOD into operation

The Turkish Air Force has integrated a domestically produced electronic warfare system, the F-16 EDPOD, into its inventory.

www.airforce-technology.com

 

[wifi909]

ECRS MK0 AESA Radar is better than RAFALE's RBE2-AA AESA Radar and F-16V's APG-83 AESA Radar

and Turkiye is not Qatar

Turkish Air Force has 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs to detect J-10C from 300-350 km away and can guide 200 km METEOR air to air Missile
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Also Turkiye is one of top Countries in the World for Electronic Warfare technologies

1 -- KORAL-200 Radar Electronic Warfare System to jam enemy Radars from 200+ km away

Turkiye : KORAL-200
Russia : KRASUKHA-4
Israel : SCORPIUS


2 -- 4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft on the way to jam enemy Radars from 400 km away

Turkiye : ASOJ-23A
Israel : SEMA
Russia : PORUBSHCHIK-2


Only Israel can compete with Turkiye in the region.
Countries like Iran , Greece , Egypt , Qatar , S.Arabia lack high technologies including Radar Electronic Warfare Systems


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Also Turkish Air Force has integrated early warning Radars to detect enemy Fighter Jets for network centric warfare

-- 450 km AN/FPS-117 AESA Radar ( L band )
-- 470 km Selex RAT-31DL 3D ( L band )
-- 600 km AESA Radar on E-7T AEWC ( L band )
450+ km Turkish ALP-300G ( S band ) to detect even F-35 from 120+ km away
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so , With the purchasing of Eurofighters, enemy Fighter Jets will risk being shot down if they come within 200 km of Turkish airspace.

In terms of specifications, the ECRS MK0 is beteer than the RBE2-AA, which only has 800+ T/R modules. However, the MK0 use the Captor-M's back end and most software. Moreover, considering that the first countries to receive this radar are Kuwait and Qatar rather than themselves, its actual combat capability is highly questionable. In my opinion, the MK1 is the complete version. As for the MK2, it is almost a new radar and will have significant upgrades in many aspects. This explains why Turkey requested to upgrade the radar of the Typhoon T3A to ECRS MK2.

 

[Claudius]

Many shrewd buyers have already gobbled up the decent used F-16 fleets

Chile, Romania, Ukraine

Romania put together a decent 67 F16 fleet from other countries " scraps ".....not ideal but not bad either

 

[Yasser76]

Romania put together a decent 67 F16 fleet from other countries " scraps ".....not ideal but not bad either

Yeah, got a solid fleet on the cheap that can hold the line till their F-35s come along. Good acqusition planning by them

 

[harpy1]

Romania put together a decent 67 F16 fleet from other countries " scraps ".....not ideal but not bad either

The Turks have been stung by USA after sanctions despite being Nato country

They are spending billions of dollars on a non USA fighter as the trust deficit is massive

A war with Greece or Israel and Turks will get no spares from USA
F16s no matter how cheap for some countries are a bad option USA can sabotage you at moments notice
And they will stop spares to stop a shooting war

Nailed on USA will not support F16 in war situation if your Turkey v Greece or Cyprus or Israel

USA will not support Pakistan F16 in war with India because they want it stopped asap. Nuclear escalation.

So what good are cheap F16s

Turkey had no choice but to blow 10 billion dollars on Typhoons... USA gave no reassurance of support and they kicked them out of F35 programme

However if you are both Turkey or Pakistan and are fighting an opponent like china north Korea or Iran or Russia you will get spares because it serves the USA interests

This is why Turkey is doing this
Kaan is decade away they need Interim option that is non USA dependent

 

[Claudius]

The Turks have been stung by USA after sanctions despite being Nato country

They are spending billions of dollars on a non USA fighter as the trust deficit is massive

A war with Greece or Israel and Turks will get no spares from USA
F16s no matter how cheap for some countries are a bad option USA can sabotage you at moments notice
And they will stop spares to stop a shooting war

Nailed on USA will not support F16 in war situation if your Turkey v Greece or Cyprus or Israel

USA will not support Pakistan F16 in war with India because they want it stopped asap. Nuclear escalation.

So what good are cheap F16s

Turkey had no choice but to blow 10 billion dollars on Typhoons... USA gave no reassurance of support and they kicked them out of F35 programme

However if you are both Turkey or Pakistan and are fighting an opponent like china north Korea or Iran or Russia you will get spares because it serves the USA interests

This is why Turkey is doing this
Kaan is decade away they need Interim option that is non USA dependent

Well,in the end,we've spent like 2-2.5 billion dollars for 67 F16 fighters(17 from Portugal, 32 from Norway, 18 from the Netherlands),all refurbished, with plenty of hours in them,all BVR capable....

Looking at Turkiye now,even the 6.5 billion dollars we're paying for 32 F35's seems a bargain

 

[Eşbah]

Looking at Turkiye now,even the 6.5 billion dollars we're paying for 32 F35's seems a bbargain

Why? Do you know what tge package entails?

 

[Claudius]

Why? Do you know what tge package entails?

No,and I won't presume to know, but,at first glance, the difference is staggering, especially as the F35 is a superior fighter jet.

 

[Ali_Baba]

No,and I won't presume to know, but,at first glance, the difference is staggering, especially as the F35 is a superior fighter jet.

The Typhoon is a a new platform for Turkiye, so there is a lot of new cost to build support equipment required and the infrastructure to host it all for the platform, on top the unit cost of the platform, training costs and weapons. The initial cost of a new platform is very expensive, especially when you consider that this is the first UK(/European) fighter that Turkiye is purchasing.

 

[Claudius]

The Typhoon is a a new platform for Turkiye, so there is a lot of new cost to build support equipment required and the infrastructure to host it all for the platform, on top the unit cost of the platform, training costs and weapons. The initial cost of a new platform is very expensive, especially when you consider that this is the first UK(/European) fighter that Turkiye is purchasing.

Well,this goes the same for our F35s.....or Greek Rafales (3.4 billion for 18 jets vs 10.7 billion 20 jets for Turkey),etc...

 

[Eşbah]

No,and I won't presume to know, but,at first glance, the difference is staggering, especially as the F35 is a superior fighter jet.

- Acquisition of a new aircraft infrastructure,
- Provision of logistical support for aircraft sourced from outside the United Kingdom (Qatar and Oman),
- Procurement of a large quantity of spare parts and various munitions,
- Establishment of a rapidly deployable training infrastructure,
- Likely preparation for the acquisition of additional Eurofighters in the future.

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It's not a bargain, but it's definitely not as pricey as folks make it out to be. The price we're discussing isn't just for the planes themselves; it's about creating an entire new ecosystem, so the figure is totally reasonable. It's not cheap, but it's not excessively costly either.

There are also a lot of details we still don't have confirmed. If we can use our own ammunition, then the price we're looking at seems perfectly fine to me.

 

[Eşbah]

Well,this goes the same for our F35s.....or Greek Rafales (3.4 billion for 18 jets vs 10.7 billion 20 jets for Turkey),etc...

Romania is investing billions of USD to upgrade its airbases, primarily to accommodate fighters like the F35. If you factor in indirect expenses related to the F35 (or even F16s), you'll be stunned by the overall unit cost.

In Turkey, people traditionally give you a price tag that includes every expense/purchase you have to make for the product. It's much more honest if you ask me.