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[MMM-E]

Of course! Because they were shot down by Americans!

Because these Missiles targeted Americans ,, but not Turks

Americans will not protect your Greece from Turkish-Ballistic Cruise Missiles
Go and worry about your weak Greece

 

[Foinikas]

Because these Missiles targeted Americans ,, but not Turks

Americans will not protect your Greece from Turkish-Ballistic Cruise Missiles

So when a missile flies over your territory,you don't care 'cause it's targeting an American base? And what if the missile strayed? What if it malfunctioned? How would you explain that to the Turkish people? "We were waitig for Americans to shoot them down,because we have no anti-ballistic system and S-400s which cost so much are packed in a storehouse"?

 

[MMM-E]

So when a missile flies over your territory,you don't care 'cause it's targeting an American base? And what if the missile strayed? What if it malfunctioned? How would you explain that to the Turkish people? "We were waitig for Americans to shoot them down,because we have no anti-ballistic system and S-400s which cost so much are packed in a storehouse"?

Greek Cypriot side with BARAK-MX AD Systems could not stop low speed Iranian kamikaze Drones which hit American-British targets in Cyprus

SM-3s intercepted Iranian Ballistic Missiles in Space over Turkiye to protect American-NATO assets including in Greek Cypriot side of Cyprus

S400s protect ANKARA ... and Nobody attacked ANKARA
INCIRLIK Air Base under NATO protection

 

[Foinikas]

Greek Cypriot side with BARAK-MX AD Systems could not stop low speed Iranian kamikaze Drones which hit American-British targets in Cyprus

Only one drone fell there and in the first days of the whole thing,Barak MX was probably not even in alert for that,as news they started being on alert afterwards.

SM-3s intercepted Iranian Ballistic Missiles in Space over Turkiye to protect American-NATO assets including in Greek Cypriot side of Cyprus

S400s protect ANKARA ... and Nobody attacked ANKARA

You bought S-400s,you lost the F-35 for them,you've been posting maps of S-400s near the coast covering the Aegean,you personally have been going non-stop for years "to block the Aegean from Greek fighters" etc etc only to come now and say

"S400s protect ANKARA...and Nobody attacked ANKARA"

Do yourself a favor and take a break from posting. You're losing it.

 

[MMM-E]

You bought S-400s,you lost the F-35 for them,you've been posting maps of S-400s near the coast covering the Aegean,you personally have been going non-stop for years "to block the Aegean from Greek fighters" etc etc only to come now and say

"S400s protect ANKARA...and Nobody attacked ANKARA"

Do yourself a favor and take a break from posting. You're losing it

S400s are now in ANKARA

But S400 is a mobile System and We can deploy S400s everywhere , if needed in a conflict ..... and only 30 minutes will be enough to activate

36 Launchers with total of 192 Missiles


btw , The F-35 crisis has nothing to do with the S-400s
cowardly Israel is afraid of the F-35s falling into Turkish hands

 

[MS Sandhu]

And Who the fk would Turkey use the F-35 again? Israel? you think they would allow it to happen, where to operate the platform, you need to put in mission codes from Lockheed and need updates and something that can be killed remotely. Were they going to allow it against Greece? no So who?

You have black/white geopolitical pov. 100s of American F16s are already in Turkish Military use, by your logic, they are all piece scrap since America will not allow their use.
Instead Turkey had permission from LM to modify F-16 acc to their own requirements and with their own stuff.
If you have so much distrust on America, why are you still hosting American mass destruction weaponry on your soil?

Even KIZILELMA is better than Israeli F-15s and F-16s in BVR combat
200 KIZILEMA and ANKA-3 could turn 4,5th gen fleet of Enemies into scrap of metal

Please enlighten us with your holy wisdom that how come a KE ucav carrying just two bvr missiles can beat a F-15 or even F-16 that are literally bvr trucks equiped with high tech active/passive sensors that can track even the stealthy platforms from long range.
You are yet to field a stealth ucav and they are operating top notch stealth platforms for 4+ decades now.

They were never going to give Turkey

Then why they even allowed Turkey in F35 program in first place?

230 F-16 OZGUR-2 ( block70 standard )
-- 44-56 Eurofighters
-- 20 KAAN

230 F-16 are already F-16 B70 level then why the need for 50 Eurofighters?

 

[Foinikas]

230 F-16 are already F-16 B70 level then why the need for 50 Eurofighters?

They are not. The upgrade hasn't started yet.

 

[hyperman]

Instead Turkey had permission from LM to modify F-16 acc to their own requirements and with their own stuff.

They never allowed, Turkey launches those munitions it creates via a separate launch system via a tablet. And then went further with the Ozgur program and completely replaced all the mission computers and avionics in the plane. At this point the only dependency is the engine.

If you have so much distrust on America, why are you still hosting American mass destruction weaponry on your soil?

The membership of NATO is with regards to something from a different era with the Soviets, but it still serves Turkish interests, so for the time being it stays, but at the same time maximum self reliance and independence is pursued, especially in light of recent dynamics, and contingencies are pursued simultaneously. Back when the conflict over Cyprus happened, they lashed out and took the side of Cyprus b/c its part of "the West" despite Turkey being the NATO member and Cyprus being aligned with Soviets back then, eventually though because of the importance of Turkey vis a vis the Soviets, they normalized, but that memory is not gone. If there is a conflict with Greece or Israel, they will take their side, that dynamic is not lost on anyone in Turkey, Turks aren't fools like the Arabs who were shocked that the US took the side of the Israelis when Qatar was attacked or when they abandoned the Arabs to concentrate on protecting Israel.

Turkey's NATO membership is like a bus, you ride the bus until you get to your spot.

 

[MS Sandhu]

And then went further with the Ozgur program and completely replaced all the mission computers and avionics in the plane

You can replace them because you are allowed to do so.
Look at us,We aren't allowed to replace even a rivet of F-16.

The membership of NATO is with regards to something from a different era with the Soviets, but it still serves Turkish interests,

Aside from taking sides, Turkish presence in Nato has allowed it to access the advanced American weaponary including its former presence in F35 program.

South Korea operates advanced American weaponary but continues to develop its own defence industry as well argueably at faster pace than Turkey. so are Japan, Australia and others.
Instead of following usual anti-america rants in our countries, i think if you have interests aligned with US (Russian factor) ,access its premium technologies and do not fall for nothing.
S400 was a major turning point for Turkish-American relations at least publicly .
Talking about Arabs , they have actually greater resources at their disposal to develop these technologies. America would not mind either if its allies can defend themselves.

 

[MMM-E]

Please enlighten us with your holy wisdom that how come a KE ucav carrying just two bvr missiles can beat a F-15 or even F-16 that are literally bvr trucks equiped with high tech active/passive sensors that can track even the stealthy platforms from long range.

1 -- KIZILELMA can carry 4 BVR Missiles in internal weapon bay

2 -- KIZILELMA has far smaller RCS ( 0,3 m2 ) to compare with F-15 ( 5m2 ) and RAFALE-F-16V ( 2 m2 with missiles+drop tanks )

ANKA-3 has even smaller RCS than KIZILELMA ... good luck to 4,5th gen Fighters

Even KIZILELMA can turn off its MURAD AESA Radar and use Boeing E-7T AEWC's AESA Radar to detect the F-15 , F-16V , RAFALE from 350 km away and can guide 185-200 km GOKBORA-GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missiles via data link

Enemy pilots will get hit by the BVR Missiles even before they see KIZILELMA on their radars.

head to head engagement range
KIZILELMA : 125 km
F-16V : 67 km
RAFALE : 62 km


btw , Turkiye can produce 7 KIZILELMA in price of 1 RAFALE

Turkiye , China and USA rules this technology in the World
unmanned stealth Fighter Jets ... ( Israel-Greece lacks this capability )

 

[MMM-E]

230 F-16 are already F-16 B70 level then why the need for 50 Eurofighters?

Asking this silly question over and over again

USA blocked sale of 100 F-35A to Turkiye
and Turkiye needs new Fighter Jets to replace outdated F-4 fleet

therefore , the Eurofighters, arriving in 2030, to play a balancing role to ensure Turkiye doesn't fall behind in numbers ( F-4s will be withdrawn from the inventory )

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Turkiye had 240 F-16s and 182 F-4s in 1990s

So , Our number of Fighter Jets has decreased ( from 422 to around 260 )
We needs new platforms ( that doesnt matter Eurofighter or F-16V or F-35 )

Turkiye wants to get 44-56 Eurofighters + 40 F-16V + 40 F-35A

Formal offers have been made for these, agreements have been signed for the Eurofighter and F-16V and negotiations are ongoing regarding the F-35.

 

[Sinan]

Their hatred for the govt is so much, that they don't want to give credit for anything. Turkey is in the geopolitical standing it is in today, that even the enemies of Turkey acknowledge is due to govt support, yet the people who vote for the "Why are you shooting missiles, its scaring the fish" people, they don't want to acknowledge even that. Not saying everything that they did was the right decision, of course they made mistakes, but then to act as if they did nothing is silly.

If you guys aren't able to understand my words. There is no reason discuss with you.

Continue worship to mortals.

 

[Sinan]

Did radars exist? What Radars was Turkey building that were worldclass at the time? whether for fighter jets or air defense systems? You really going to go for a red herring over AESA?

You are out of your mind.

 

[MS Sandhu]

head to head engagement range
KIZILELMA : 125 km
F-16V : 67 km
RAFALE : 62 km

You are not shooting down any F-16 at 125km range.That's just a waste of a BVR missile unless the purpose is just to scare away the fighter.In that case, you are just giving away your own position.
There are multiple incidents in current Iran war where F-16 and F-18 were able to maneuver away from just 6-10km SAM fire.
F-35 was also able to escape from very close range IR missile fires.
You are grossly underestimating these systems that have seen combat for 6+ decades and have evolved accordingly in terms of their sensor technologies.

Turkiye can produce 7 KIZILELMA in price of 1 RAFALE

What's your source for that?
KE per unit cost will be going above 30M US dollar even though turkey is trying to get some cheap force multiplier from KE for point defence role networked that too in safe and secure own air space. And here You have so many expectations from it.

Turkiye , China and USA rules this technology in the World
unmanned stealth Fighter Jets

China and US have completely different approach.
They are developing A2A combat UCAV systems for Sixth Gen air combat technologies.
Those are very secret programs.We have no information to discuss.

 

[MMM-E]

You are not shooting down any F-16 at 125km range.That's just a waste of a BVR missile unless the purpose is just to scare away the fighter.In that case, you are just giving away your own position.

Pakistani J-10CE shot down Indian RAFALEs from 180-200km away

We can do it too in the next a few years ....... Thanks to
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- Boeing E-7T AEWC with 600 km AESA Radar
-- 185-200+ km GOKBORA and GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missiles