Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics
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Oublious
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Cash gk
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No a country which is from Seven seas away doing with the small countries. To accept this, people needs morality
Cash gk
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What the f*** is going on?.. are they fighting with each other?
Cash gk
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So he thinks he's a superior than Arabs. I'm not surprised
hyperman
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Saudis, Qatars and Oman got together to lobby Trump to not attack Iran, and they he can't use their bases and airspace for the attack and Trump seems to have listened, atleast for now.
Lindsey Graham is losing his shit over it.
Oublious
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You can stick to jews, iran is the biggest fitnah in the middle east with ther proxies in other countries. You think people will forget when americans do the same against them?
Foinikas
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The guy you admire so much is the cause of many problems. Not just for us,eventually he might be the cause for Turkey's problems as well. I don't know if he is "very,very intelligent", but he is cunning. A few points on the video:
1.It wasn't Turkey that stopped the war in Libya and "brought peace". The war dragged on because Turkey intervened right when the LNA was about to take Tripoli. The war stopped only when Egypt threatened to enter Libya on the side of the Tobruk government and LNA.
2.This guy boasts of being the mastermind behind the Turkish-Libyan memorandum and the Mavi Vatan doctrine. The Turkish-Libyan EEZ deal has been declared illegal and void by the UN,the EU,and a few months ago even the Libyans themselves.
3.Contrary to what he and the interviewer say,Greek media are not obsessed with him, they might mention his name once in a while,but most people don't know him and he's far from "famous" here,unlike for example Erdogan or Findan or Cavusoglu who more known to the public and widely mentioned by Greek media.
4.There's no "pact" between Greece/Cyprus and India. The guy is full of nonsense. Nor did Greece and Cyprus remember Armenia now,because Azerbaijan is Turkey's friend. Armenian-Greek relations go back at least 120 years.
5.He says Turkey's Blue Homeland doctrine isn't limited to the surrounding seas,but expanding to "Somalia,Pakistan,Libya". Well,if that ain't imperialist ambition then what is? He complains about Netanyahu's statement concerning those who want to revive empires,but he himself proudly admits Turkey has expansionist plans.
Netanyahu might be a genocidal zionist,but that quote of his was spot on:
“To those who fantasize they can reestablish their empires and their dominion over our lands, I say: Forget it. It’s not going to happen. Don’t even think about it."
Because if Turkey wants to make the entire East Mediterranean a "Mavi Vatan",everyone in the area's got the right to stand up to Turkey. When you have such people as the admiral here,being proud and boasting of schemes that call for revisionist and provocative actions,then Turkey can't play victim. They can't play the poor victim that evil Greece,Cyprus,Israel and indirectly Egypt,Iran,the Kurds and others "gang up against". That's all.
Cash gk
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Do you know why he's bringing Pakistan in it? He knows when Pakistani jump into that. Egypt will not be able to speak there.
Problem here. I see that Greek is standing with the genocidal forces. That hurts me. I admire Greek as country. But this time they took a side with the wrong party. This man is a very clever. If Greek face this kind of talent from Turks that is very problematic for Greek
Cash gk
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Get well soon. Iran is Pakistan'sneighbor. If our never Burns we will burn too.You can stick to jews, iran is the biggest fitnah in the middle east with ther proxies in other countries. You think people will forget when americans do the same against them?
Foinikas
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Have you wondered why Greece is doing that? Because Turkey is doing exactly what you just saw,trying to turn the entire East Mediterranean into their "Blue Homeland". In a few words,revive the Ottoman Empire,but with a president.
So ask yourself,if EU won't help,if NATO won't help,what should Greece do? Give up? Israelis have a problem with Turkey right now,time to take advantage of it. What did Pakistan do in the '70s and '80s when there was trouble with India and sanctions by USA? They turned to Maoist China. Maoist China which eliminated millions of Chinese,persecuted the Uyghurs,banned Islam. And yet,Pakistan bought weapons and equipment from China,got technology and trade that helped Pakistan flourish defensively. Right?
Cash gk
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This is a matter of morality. You go there and stand with a genocidal organization, allowing them to use your territory. What did you expect? You could simply have said, “We cannot be part of this.” What message has your prime minister given to the world? That there is no morality in Greece.
Forget the enmity with Turkey for a moment. When your Prime Minister stood with the Israeli Prime Minister, it was supposed to be about morality. You are right to think about your country's defense and threats. But what morality is there in that? You are within the European Union. Yet it seems small countries, especially Orthodox ones, are only there to provide blood for blood and fresh soldiers for expansionist powers. That is your status—nothing more—within the European Union and NATO when it comes to morality.
You stood with Israel, knowing they are committing genocide against innocent people. You are absolutely wrong, my brother. I like you, but you are wrong here. You are defending the wrong thing.
Yes, you can and should discuss the dangers to your country. You are right to talk about that. But you can defend your country while standing on principle, while saying, "We cannot be part of that genocidal force." When you stand with a genocidal organization whose leader is wanted by the International Criminal Court, you lose your credibility. That is the heart of the discussion, brother.
who has aligned with India? It was Greece, right? Don’t you think that move will provoke Pakistan?
Your argument is very weak here. I like you, but on this, you are wrong.
Foinikas
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I agree with you that it was if anything,a bad move by the PM. However,it also was a chance defensively. But I agree that it is ironic,that Greece which stood with Arabs for decades,had the PM take pics with Netanyahu at the time period most of the EU was critical of Israel or at least reluctant to openly approach them and be friendly.
My personal opinion is we should have gone full French from the beginning. In the 2019-2021 period it was the French who supported us against Erdogan's provocations and threats. I don't know if you followed events,but in 2020 we reached a point were war or a hot incident were very possible.
So back then,it was the French who supported us warmly from the entire EU and NATO. Germans,Italians,Spanish,Dutch,British,Belgians,Austrians,Poles,Scandinavians all either did nothing,said little or outright cooperated with Erdogan.
On the contrary,the French supported us,our interests aligned and we got the Rafale in no time,we signed for the FDI frigates and we also signed a mutual defence agreement.
The French were eager to cooperate with us and the logical thing,apart from sentimental,would have been to continue this cooperation and friendship deeper.
And right when we were talking about Gowind corvettes...everything stops. In 2022-2023 the government ditches the French and goes American. Then the Biden administration and the notorious Blinken list (equipment to be given to Greece)turn out to be a disappointment. By that time,Mitsotakis has appointed Dendias as the new MoD (in summer 2023)and everything goes from bad to worse.
So,our air defence needs replacement. We have Soviet/Russian systems that need to be replaced because they are obsolete and we can't get any upgrades now nor any spare parts and the missiles will expire soon. In general we have to replace the
- OSA AK/AKM
- Tor-M1
- S-300PMU1
- I-HAWK PIP III
- Skyguard VELOS (same as the Pakistani Skyguard Aspide,but with Sea Sparrow missiles)
On top of that,we could have also gone for Mistral-3 manpads and Rapid Fire. In any case,we could have cooperated more with the French. And more closely. Since Germany has gone back to actively supporting Turkey and promoting them,as well as Britain and NATO'S current chief Rutte. We and the French could have become a counterbalance to that.
But there come the Israelis in a moment where they actually have problems with Turkey(apart from everyone else they've bombed). Turkey's been expanding here and there. Talking about Blue Homeland and heavy investments and influence in Syria. Selling weapons to Jolani's government. Taking out the Kurds who have been a thorn in the side of Turkey for decades. Establishing a base in Libya,getting access to the horn of Africa. Trying to get nuclear power with the help of Russia.
And during all the threats,actual threats,publically,on camera,in interviews,in speeches,
by Erdogan and his ministers and his army leaders and his parliamentary ally Bahçeli,
the Jews come and offer us quality weapons that we needed yesterday. Not today,we needed them yesterday and didn't have them. So the Armed Forces are talking about Spyder AiO,Barak MX,David's Sling,LORA and maybe more. The Israelis sweeten the deals with ToT. I don't know what kind of ToT but whatever it is...good.
Yes,it's awkward,yes it's bad. Netanyahu's government has been eliminating Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. But since our government won't buy any French or Norwegian/Swedish AA systems,we might as well go with Israeli ones.
There's no defence pact,there's no treaty with Israel. Just a rapproachment because both Greeks(mainland and Cypriot)and Israelis see Turks as a threat. And Turks are a threat because every time there's talk of a project that will help Greece or Cyprus or Egypt(put the Jews aside)to prosper,to make money,to give them a chance to get out of any loans,there comes Erdogan and his goons and say "You can't do anything without Turkey's approval. We're a big country,we can't be ignored. You either include us or we'll take action".
But we haven't aligned or allied with India. Don't listen to Indian propaganda or that Turkish admiral. We don't have any kind of close relations.
In conclusion,tell me: If your country's interests and in the case of Cyprus,their physical existence apart from their interests,were threatened and you had no help from any other ally(for us neither the EU nor NATO stood up to contain Turkish expansion,on the contrary they encourage it),would you care more about Gaza and a people who the last 10 or so years have been pro-Turkish and against you or your survival?
Pakistan chose controversial PRC as an ally in the region back in the 70s. Maoist regime. Remember,they slaughtered millions,way more than what the Israelis have. They persecuted Islam,yet there you are. The Young Turks government chose the Bolsheviks as an ally when nobody would help them,after WWI. The Bolsheviks who also killed millions and persecuted Islam. And yet they supported Ataturk and Ataturk didn't say "it's not morally right".
Sorry,I elaborated way too much
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