Turkish Missile Programs

[Eşbah]

So Turkey/Iran/Saudi Arabia will all go to the route of nuclear ICBM to ensure not a single P5 nations will be safe, since North Korea was the first one to open that Pandora box.

Turkey will not pursue that course until it achieves self-sufficiency in conventional military technology, such as ships, aircrafts, satellites, tanks, engines, submarines, radars, air defense systems, missiles, carrier systems like ICBMs and more.

In addition, our leftist parties such as CHP and others - essentially the Turkish opposition - would never agree to the risk of facing sanctions. They are heavily pro-European. If Ankara were to develop a nuclear bomb, it would most likely occur under a right-wing administration - and it is highly probable that it would happen quite swiftly.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Turkey will not pursue that course until it achieves self-sufficiency in conventional military technology, such as ships, aircrafts, satellites, tanks, engines, submarines, radars, air defense systems, missiles, carrier systems like ICBMs and more.

In addition, our leftist parties such as CHP and others - essentially the Turkish opposition - would never agree to the risk of facing sanctions. They are heavily pro-European. If Ankara were to develop a nuclear bomb, it would most likely occur under a right-wing administration - and it is highly probable that it would happen quite swiftly.

Those P5 nations like the UK and France are not that much powerful than Turkey, and yet they enjoy this P5 nuclear privilege.

After the even in Iran, I am pretty convinced that the P5 era is quite over, and a lot of mid-powers will soon join the fully fledged nuclear club that has the capability to deliver the nuclear warheads with the ICBM.

No need to cling with NATO if you have been confirmed to become their next victim in the list.

 

[hyperman]

Sure, some superpower has been constantly abusing its power, and nuclearization and proliferation of the ICBM are now deemed as inevitable.

The balance of terror might actually favor those mid-powers like Iran and Turkey.

Turkey is not building ICBMs.

Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles and Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles are very different.

And as of right now, we are talking Conventional Strike, not Nuclear.

These Zios will not stop with Iran, I see them talking about Turkey, but I have also seen them talking about "Denuclearizing Pakistan" and they seem to be really talking up their new relationship with India, and the Greek thing they have been getting all buddy buddy with Greece.

Turkey needs to prepare for all contingencies here. And have cooperation and partners, because clearly they are picking off countries one by one, anyone with capacity that isn't subservient.

Anyone that thinks they will allow Turkey to grow and get stronger in defense is fooling themselves. They will either attack or coordinate an attack whether economic or physical whether by themselves or via the countries they have influence over. Saudi has never threatened them, yet they are averse to Saudi getting F-35s or getting strategic platforms. Historically they even tried bombing Pakistan to prevent a nuclear Pakistan, but b/c India at the time didn't have a hindutwa govt and one that was more risk averse, India refused to allow them to use India territory, this current govt is a lot less averse to reckless attacks.

Coalitions and alliances are forming against Turkish interests, whether to the West or the East, in that environment, the capability if need be, needs to exist. We are already looking at partnerships with Egypt and Saudi, and Pakistan plays a key role in the Saudi dynamic, as well as Turkey's defense relationship with Pakistan.

If there is ever a need for a non NATO nuclear deterrent, they will never allow turkey to build one, it would have to come via trusted allies.

 

[hyperman]

No need to cling with NATO if you have been confirmed to become their next victim in the list.

thats precisely it. lol, at many times it feels like it won't be the Russians that will Attack Turkey but "Allies" who exist on paper.

Right now, Cyprus is a frozen conflict, when happens if they try to unfreeze it? Which side will France, Germany and the UK take if its Greece, Greek Cyrpus and Israel together against Turkey?

I very much doubt they will see it as Turkey being NATO vs "Non NATO" Cyprus and Israel.

These freaks including the sitting "Secretary of War" are talking about a 3rd temple and destroying Al Aqsa, you don't think they have designs over trying to undo the Turkish war of Independence and Istanbul?

Every contingency needs to be accounted for.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Turkey is not building ICBMs.

Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles and Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles are very different.

And as of right now, we are talking Conventional Strike, not Nuclear.

These Zios will not stop with Iran, I see them talking about Turkey, but I have also seen them talking about "Denuclearizing Pakistan" and they seem to be really talking up their new relationship with India, and the Greek thing they have been getting all buddy buddy with Greece.

Turkey needs to prepare for all contingencies here. And have cooperation and partners, because clearly they are picking off countries one by one, anyone with capacity that isn't subservient.

Anyone that thinks they will allow Turkey to grow and get stronger in defense is fooling themselves. They will either attack or coordinate an attack whether economic or physical whether by themselves or via the countries they have influence over. Saudi has never threatened them, yet they are averse to Saudi getting F-35s or getting strategic platforms. Historically they even tried bombing Pakistan to prevent a nuclear Pakistan, but b/c India at the time didn't have a hindutwa govt and one that was more risk averse, India refused to allow them to use India territory, this current govt is a lot less averse to reckless attacks.

Coalitions and alliances are forming against Turkish interests, whether to the West or the East, in that environment, the capability if need be, needs to exist. We are already looking at partnerships with Egypt and Saudi, and Pakistan plays a key role in the Saudi dynamic, as well as Turkey's defense relationship with Pakistan.

If there is ever a need for a non NATO nuclear deterrent, they will never allow turkey to build one, it would have to come via trusted allies.

I think a lot of nations like Iran and Turkey are looking for a convenient moment to declare their nuclear capability with ICBM as the ultimate deterrence.

Heck, even China was nuclearly extorted by Trump during his first term, and now Trump is complaining that China has rapidly expanding its nuclear triad capability while ignoring the nuclear treaty between the US and Russia.

Once you have become developed, they will 100% extort you with nuclear pre-emptive strike.

 

[hasssanali8998]

In addition, our leftist parties such as CHP and others - essentially the Turkish opposition - would never agree to the risk of facing sanctions. They are heavily pro-European.

I've always wanted to ask Turks here about their political landscape — if Erdoğan were to lose an election or pass away, who would most likely replace him? Would a successor halt the growth of Turkey's military-industrial complex and pivot toward appeasing Europe and the United States? And how might such a transition affect Turkey's relationship with Pakistan?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

thats precisely it. lol, at many times it feels like it won't be the Russians that will Attack Turkey but "Allies" who exist on paper.

Right now, Cyprus is a frozen conflict, when happens if they try to unfreeze it? Which side will France, Germany and the UK take if its Greece, Greek Cyrpus and Israel together against Turkey?

I very much doubt they will see it as Turkey being NATO vs "Non NATO" Cyprus and Israel.

These freaks including the sitting "Secretary of War" are talking about a 3rd temple and destroying Al Aqsa, you don't think they have designs over trying to undo the Turkish war of Independence and Istanbul?

Every contingency needs to be accounted for.

Well, the historical Russian ultra-nationalists surely wanted to reclaim Istanbul as their prestige "Constantinople", but today's Russia is weak, and they can't even deal with Ukraine.

So Turkey's primary threat in today is indeed the US-Israeli axis, not Russia.

Since these psychopaths are really tremendously energic in war compared to China, and normal people cannot behave like that without a mental breakdown.

Then it is probably better for the local nations like Turkey/Iran/Saudi/Egypt to acquire their on nukes with ICBM, and China probably will assist the ICBM development for Pakistan.

 

[Merzifonlu]

In addition, our leftist parties such as CHP and others - essentially the Turkish opposition - would never agree to the risk of facing sanctions. They are heavily pro-European. If Ankara were to develop a nuclear bomb, it would most likely occur under a right-wing administration - and it is highly probable that it would happen quite swiftly.

Wasn't it the leftist Ecevit who launched the Cyprus invasion? Sorry but this statement is baseless. Any sensible political party would accept this risk, except for communist parties whose primary function is to aid the PKK.

And yes, if we make this decision, we won't be making up a fairy tale like Iran about "conducting a peaceful nuclear program." We will proceed in a way that yields results as quickly as possible.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I've always wanted to ask Turks here about their political landscape — if Erdoğan were to lose an election or pass away, who would most likely replace him? Would a successor halt the growth of Turkey's military-industrial complex and pivot toward appeasing Europe and the United States? And how might such a transition affect Turkey's relationship with Pakistan?

Erdogan is appointing himself as the lifetime leader because he doesn't want to elect a saboteur as his successor to undo all his work that strives to make Turkey a world power instead a subordinate to the US and the west.

 

[Merzifonlu]

I've always wanted to ask Turks here about their political landscape — if Erdoğan were to lose an election or pass away, who would most likely replace him? Would a successor halt the growth of Turkey's military-industrial complex and pivot toward appeasing Europe and the United States? And how might such a transition affect Turkey's relationship with Pakistan?

Unless the PKK comes to power, nothing will change in terms of the defense industry. And since that's impossible, there will be no change for Pakistan.

 

[hyperman]

I've always wanted to ask Turks here about their political landscape — if Erdoğan were to lose an election or pass away, who would most likely replace him? Would a successor halt the growth of Turkey's military-industrial complex and pivot toward appeasing Europe and the United States? And how might such a transition affect Turkey's relationship with Pakistan?

Hakan Fidan

 

[hyperman]

Wasn't it the leftist Ecevit who launched the Cyprus invasion? Sorry but this statement is baseless. Any sensible political party would accept this risk, except for communist parties whose primary function is to aid the PKK.

And yes, if we make this decision, we won't be making up a fairy tale like Iran about "conducting a peaceful nuclear program." We will proceed in a way that yields results as quickly as possible.

You trust the guy who said Ballistic missile development should stop b/c it was scaring the fishes? lol

 

[Merzifonlu]

You trust the guy who said Ballistic missile development should stop b/c it was scaring the fishes? lol

I trust those who put him in that seat, not him. LOL. It takes a special effort to be able to say something so idiotic! How does a missile flying through the air disturb the fish in the water? He gave Akın Gürlek a week and didn't say a word when the time was up. He's losing a great deal of credibility, and he doesn't even realize it.

 

[Eşbah]

@Haz Why are you upset, brother?

 

[Haz]

@Haz Why are you upset, brother?

Upset? What do you mean?