Türkiye in Somalia | News & Discussion
- Thread starter hyperman
- Start date
Falcon26
Trusted Member
Breakaway or not, the fact remains these are part of Somalia. Just few weeks ago, Kuwait signed $500-million to build a port just outside Mogadishu. This is substantially more than any Turkey has footed!
https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2025/...with_kuwaiti_firm_to_develop_barawa_port.aspx
You keep saying “you have no idea what Mogadishu looked like before Turkey” and that my friend is classic red herring. No one can make the argument today’s peace and stability has anything to do with Turkey. As everyone knows, neither is Turkey the biggest security partner nor its biggest aid donor. But Turkey milks the country due to parochial sentiments about shared Muslim identity and perceived notions that’s its engagements are driven by altruistic concerns.
Falcon26
Trusted Member
Somalia provided a template for Turkey to engage African countries. There’s a vast literature on this. Without the Somali experience, Turkey would not have been successful in Africa. Turkey’s biggest embassy and military base exists in Somalia for a reason!!
Falcon26
Trusted Member
Up there with some of the most ridiculous statements you have made over the past few months. Somalia is safe because of the 1000s of African union troops that secure the country and the sacrifices of the Somali people. How many Turkish soldiers died in Somalia again?
Exactly!
Falcon26
Trusted Member
Amazing conclusion.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
- Thread starter
- #36
And do you think any investment in Somalia would have been possible if Turkey didn't do what it did in the early 2010s?
Turkey has put in more than it has received, thats a verifiable fact dollar wise. There is no "milking", frankly its insulting and ungrateful.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
- Thread starter
- #37
Yeah like the Ethiopian troops that refuse to leave or take direction from the somali govt right? lol just a straight hater, willing to excuse the separatists and the people who refuse to respect Somali sovereignty but somehow Turkey is bad. lol comical as if Turkey contributions need to be measured by the amount of dead soldiers, rather than the tagible assistance provided. You don't even live in Somalia, probably some refugee in Minnesota living safely talking smack. Its clear the Somali govt at the very least understands the support provided by Turkey, as they have been quite thankful for Turkey's assistance and the mutual benefits of the strategic partnership.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
- Thread starter
- #38
lmao yeah and they exist b/c Turkey made the investment with Turkish money. No other country came to help Somalia, Turkey was the first. They went in when it was unsafe and risky, they are the reason things stabilized that offered Somalia other options for other countries to invest.
This guy is talking like Somalia paid for the military base or Embassy. lol, maybe Turkey should have done what the UAE did, take a stable part of Somalia, and fund a seperatist breakoff client state rather than actually trying to help Somalia overall and respect Somalian Sovereignty.
Falcon26
Trusted Member
Absolutely Turkey has milked Somalia. No other country extracts out of Somalia at the scale of Turkey even though Turkish “investments” in Somalia are peanuts compared to the US, UK, Qatar and UAE.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
- Thread starter
- #40
Are you a Somalilander or are you Somali?
Complete lies, compare the amount of investment and aid Turkey has provided with the amount Turkey has earned. Look at the numbers, or if you are too lazy to actually research put it in ChatGPT. lol
Its incredibly insulting to try to frame it as "milking", as if Turkey has exploited something. ironically Turkey's investments in other parts of Africa are more lucrative. maybe someone should demeaningly frame it like Somalia is the one taking advantage of Turkey and being a burden.
The Emiratis are literally facilitating and encouraging a separatist state, but somehow you don't see an issue with that, the fact that the Trump administration is being pushed by the UAE and Israel to recognize Somaliland doesn't seem to be a concern for you, infact you see to have praised the UAE. No for some reason Turkey is the issue? The strange thing is, the Somali govt doesn't share your view and frankly from the news coming from Mogadishu is generally positive towards turkey's role/assistance.
Falcon26
Trusted Member
The US, UK & co. Literally spend more than $1-billion each other. As I said, other countries dwarf what Turkey spends in Somalia by a huge margin.
Somalia is located in a very geopolitically important location and is resource rich. There’s no altruism when it comes to foreign relations.
Turkey is obviously a better partner than both Qatar and UAE, especially the UAE which is essentially engaged in acts that subvert the Somali state. Both these countries are an unfair comparison with Turkey. Overwhelming majority of Somalis have positive views of Turkey. This is not the crux of my argument. But Turkey also benefits in a major ways. When Turkey asks to control the biggest oil and gas blocks in Somalia, no none in Somalia questions it due to the reverence people have for Turkey. But strictly speaking, other countries aid Somalia by big margins. This is the crux of my argument. I am actually not anti Turkey. My views on this forum are quite well known. But you have a silly reductionist mindset that reduces everything to a simple binary.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
- Thread starter
- #43
First off, as a percentage of GDP spending when you look at what Turkey spends and then compare it to the UK or the US, Turkey spends far more on Foreign Aid.
Turkey continues to be one of the largest humanitarian donors globally, spending billions of dollars in aid, according to a recent report by the UK-based Development Initiatives (DI).
In 2020, Turkey accounted for 26% of global humanitarian aid – $30.9 billion – and spent $8.04 billion, up 5.9% on a yearly basis, the Global Humanitarian Assistance Report 2021 released late June said.
It came only second after the US, which spent $8.9 billion, increasing 6.9% compared to 2019.
Germany, the EU and UK followed with $3.7 billion, $2.6 billion and $2.1 billion, respectively.
Turkey ranks first if one takes into account national incomes. Its humanitarian aid spending was 0.98% of its GDP, followed by Luxembourg at 0.19%, Sweden and Norway each at 0.16% and Denmark with 0.15%.
Secondly, No one suggested Turkey's relations with Somalia is Charity with regards to investments and strategic initiatives. Turkey has a Strategic relationship with Somalia, where its mutually beneficial for both parties.
Last edited:
hyperman
INT'L MOD
- Thread starter
- #44
Turkey does not control anything, the Somali Govt is the owner of all fields. The Turkish companies were given the right to drill there as part of foreign investment, this is how it works with any foreign direct investment, whether Azerbaijan with BP investment in its oil fields or Greece giving the ExxonMobil from the US rights to do exploration drilling or whatever country that courts foreign investments for offshore fields.
You don't know how this stuff works.
The only difference here is that Turkey didn't have to bid with other foreign countries, Somalia's govt offered Turkey the opportunity as the first mover. Why were they so generous as to give Turkey the contract outright for exploration for resources rather than a bid between various different countries, b/c as part of the deal Turkey said it would help establish and create the Somalian Navy and would provide the ship and the training so Somalia has control of its own shores. Somalia made the choice ultimately b/c they saw this as a mutually beneficial deal. They get a navy but in return they offer Turkey a contract for exploration but its not one where several companies compete for the bid, but its given outright. Its a give and take.
edit:
This deal was reached when Ethiopia was negotiating with Somaliland to be given a piece of land for Ethiopia to annex(in return Ethiopia would recognize Somaliland as independent from Somalia), so they could have a shore line.
As part of the Deal, Turkey would deploy its navy to Somali water to patrol them, You really are clueless as to what Turkey did for Somalia here, not only did it agree to establish a navy, the fact that Turtkey deployed ships to the waters, made Ethiopia have second thought.
Several months later, Turkey pressured Addis Ababa to sign a deal with Somalia where Ethiopia agreed to recognize the territorial integrity of Somalia, basically getting rid or atleast stopping the Somaliland deal. Preserving Somalia's territorial integrity.
Abi Ahmad didn't want to sign that deal, but Turkish pressure forced a deal where he was reluctant to include the part where Ethiopia would recognize Somalia's territorial integrity.
Inside the Turkey-backed Somalia-Ethiopia deal
Seven-hour negotiations in Ankara produced a joint statement that satisfied Mogadishu
www.middleeasteye.net
And then you come in here disrespecting Turkey, and are surprised when people get upset with your framing of "Milking" as if Turkey is predatory or taking advantage of Somalia.
Last edited:
hyperman
INT'L MOD
- Thread starter
- #45
Here are some excerpts from the deal between Ethiopia and Somalia that was brokered by Turkey.
“You won’t leave this room until you reach a deal,” Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said during the negotiations, according to a person familiar with the issue speaking to Middle East Eye.
A Turkish official stated that the negotiations between the two leaders and their respective teams lasted nearly seven uninterrupted hours, with Erdogan and Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan actively participating.
According to a source familiar with the talks, one of the key sticking points was Ethiopia's recognition of Somalia's territorial unity. This recognition would effectively require Ethiopia to cancel its MoU with Somaliland.
The source added that while Abiy was willing to sign a statement committing to Somalia’s independence and sovereignty, he resisted any mention of “territorial integrity” or “unity”.
The Somali delegation countered by referencing the 1933 Montevideo Convention, which codifies international legal norms and principles regarding statehood. One of its key criteria for statehood is the possession of a “defined territory”.
“You cannot say you recognise a country but deny that it has a defined territory,” the source explained.
Turkish officials found this argument persuasive, concluding that Ethiopia must either recognise Somalia in its entirety under international law or not at all.
“You won’t leave this room until you reach a deal,” Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said during the negotiations, according to a person familiar with the issue speaking to Middle East Eye.
A Turkish official stated that the negotiations between the two leaders and their respective teams lasted nearly seven uninterrupted hours, with Erdogan and Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan actively participating.
According to a source familiar with the talks, one of the key sticking points was Ethiopia's recognition of Somalia's territorial unity. This recognition would effectively require Ethiopia to cancel its MoU with Somaliland.
The source added that while Abiy was willing to sign a statement committing to Somalia’s independence and sovereignty, he resisted any mention of “territorial integrity” or “unity”.
The Somali delegation countered by referencing the 1933 Montevideo Convention, which codifies international legal norms and principles regarding statehood. One of its key criteria for statehood is the possession of a “defined territory”.
“You cannot say you recognise a country but deny that it has a defined territory,” the source explained.
Turkish officials found this argument persuasive, concluding that Ethiopia must either recognise Somalia in its entirety under international law or not at all.
Users who are viewing this thread
Pakistan Defence Latest
-
-
-
Bangladesh Army’s new battalion has Umar, Abu Bakr, Ali and Usman companies (1 Viewer)- Latest: MNZGamerX
-
-
