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[GoatsMilk]

Just as the greeks today support the zionist murder of Muslims, they pay their respects to the orthodox serb killer of Muslims.

 

[Foinikas]

Just as the greeks today support the zionist murder of Muslims, they pay their respects to the orthodox serb killer of Muslims.

Get your facts right,Briturk.

1.Greeks don't support Israel's genocide of Palestinians.
2.You forget the Muslim killers of Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Croats.

 

[hyperman]

Get your facts right,Briturk.

1.Greeks don't support Israel's genocide of Palestinians.
2.You forget the Muslim killers of Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Croats.

lol, stop pretending you care about Croats Foiny. Croats were allied with the Bosnians against Serbs. The Serbs were the aggressors.

 

[Foinikas]

lol, stop pretending you care about Croats Foiny. Croats were allied with the Bosnians against Serbs. The Serbs were the aggressors.

Whether I care or not is irrelevant. It's a fact that Muslims also butchered Croats,just like Croats killed Muslims and Serbs,just like Serbs killed Croats and Muslims.

 

[hyperman]

Whether I care or not is irrelevant. It's a fact that Muslims also butchered Croats,just like Croats killed Muslims and Serbs,just like Serbs killed Croats and Muslims.

nope you don't get to call it even, oh everyone killing everyone. Its a lie. The Serbians had explicit goals for Greater Serbia and it involved killing, cleansing and genociding anyone who stood in their way.

 

[Foinikas]

nope you don't get to call it even, oh everyone killing everyone. Its a lie. The Serbians had explicit goals for Greater Serbia and it involved killing, cleansing and genociding anyone who stood in their way.

You wanna go in circles and have this convo a gazillion times? You're the kind of person who treats the likes of Enver Pasha and Topal Osman as national heroes,but whoever is non-Muslim is a war criminal.

I don't want to get dragged down in another "debate" about why he's not a butcher and the whole Yugo war. It derails the thread and I end up being the one getting scolded after you help derail the thread.

 

[MMM-E]

Just as the greeks today support the zionist murder of Muslims, they pay their respects to the orthodox serb killer of Muslims.

Their ancestors ( Russians, Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians , etc ) also massacred 2,5 million Ottoman muslim population and forced another 2.5 million Muslims to migrate to Anatolia in the Balkans , Caucasus between 1800s and 1914

Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman decline - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

According to current research, around 20,000 buildings of all sizes have been documented in official Ottoman registers. However very little survives of this Ottoman heritage in most Balkan countries.

Most of the Ottoman era mosques of the Balkans have been destroyed

There is so much hatred and animosity among Christians that when they kill a Muslim Albanian or Bosnian, they kill them as if they were killing a Turk

If they had the chance, they would kill all the Muslims in the Balkans. .. even in Turkiye

 

[muhammed45]

You wanna go in circles and have this convo a gazillion times? You're the kind of person who treats the likes of Enver Pasha and Topal Osman as national heroes,but whoever is non-Muslim is a war criminal.

I don't want to get dragged down in another "debate" about why he's not a butcher and the whole Yugo war. It derails the thread and I end up being the one getting scolded after you help derail the thread.

I believe Christians and Muslims can easily get along.

Its truly laughable to see a Christian supports those who insulted Prophet Jesus (PBUH). Don't make a fool of yourself dude. No one denies the crimes of Ottoman empire committed on Christians of east EU. Problem is, it somehow backfired on innocent Bosnians.

I personally believe Orthodox Christians are the future of Christianity. Catholism is turning into a joke after being digested by Liberalism.

 

[Foinikas]

Don't make a fool of yourself dude. No one denies the crimes of Ottoman empire committed on Christians of east EU.

There's a bunch of people here denying Ottoman crimes. 5 years on the forum I've seen people either avoiding to comment on the issue or deny it ever existed,just dismissing it. Or simply giving a rushed and vague reply like "well whatever crimes,it was bad".

These three categories of people: Majority avoid to take a position or participate in a conversation or thread about Ottoman and Young Turk war crimes and genocide,in order not to put their Turkish friends in a difficult position or because they don't care about the issue. The other category is the ones who either excuse every massacre or atrocities by Turks or Muslims in general with the mindset of "well they had it coming" or "Muslims don't do bad things" or "kuffar kuffar". And the last category is the few who give a vague reply like "well whatever happened it was bad,I don't support it" and then continue to stress whatever non-Muslim atrocities against Muslims.

Then I get dissed by the same people,about Greek-Israeli approach,when their own country was best friends with the Israelis and cooperated militarily until just 2010!

 

[lightning f57]

Israels strategy wont be direct confrontation ot will be economic and using others as proxies like Kurds, Greeks, Cypriots to do its dirty work. Israel is a coward nation it only preys on the weak and when it attacks needs whole west supporting it.

 

[Foinikas]

Israels strategy wont be direct confrontation ot will be economic and using others as proxies like Kurds, Greeks, Cypriots to do its dirty work. Israel is a coward nation it only preys on the weak and when it attacks needs whole west supporting it.

That's another misconception. They did go against Iran and I don't think Iran is a weak country. Those operations had risks. But the Israelis don't start something without good intelligence. Also,again I have to remind you that claims of "being a coward nation" are not valid. Because they've taken on some of the strongest Arab countries in their history. 1948-1982. It's not bias,it's just a fact.

 

[Flotilla]

This channel is quite well-informed, and its assessments are fairly balanced. Two points stand out:

1. The malevolence of Israel, which is pursuing a plan to balkanize/Lebanonize Syria.

2. Its pessimism regarding the relationship between Turkey and Israel.

However, I find it striking that he doesn't mention the degree of fanaticism within Israeli society. The messianism of its leaders borders on collective suicide at times, because it's clear they can't win an open war against Turkey and yet they continue to openly threaten Turks and Syrians without restraint.

 

[lightning f57]

That's another misconception. They did go against Iran and I don't think Iran is a weak country. Those operations had risks. But the Israelis don't start something without good intelligence. Also,again I have to remind you that claims of "being a coward nation" are not valid. Because they've taken on some of the strongest Arab countries in their history. 1948-1982. It's not bias,it's just a fact.

They only went against Iran with US joining in too. Western nations supporting logistically with weapons, air defence.

Their wars of decades back also had strong Western support including military officiers and equipment.

We are in a different time now, Turkiye is militarily more stronger than Iran and has NATO and Mecca pact behind it. Even daddy US will struggle with this one, US population is 70% not favourable to israel.

Israel excels in making others fight their wars this is something Israels friends need be mindful of.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Israels strategy wont be direct confrontation ot will be economic and using others as proxies like Kurds, Greeks, Cypriots to do its dirty work. Israel is a coward nation it only preys on the weak and when it attacks needs whole west supporting it.

Isreal sees Cyprus as a second isreal. What they will do is drag the cypriots to war with the Turks, get them smashed by the Turks and then use their weakened position to further entrech the isreali military.

Irrespective of this, the isrealis are buying everything up in the south and pushing the common cypriots out. In their hatred of the Turks and the Muslims they invited the most poisonous of snakes into their homes. Indeed they plan but Allah is the greatest of planners.

South Cyprus is going to turn into the second Palestine. What will happen to the greeks is what happened to the Palestinians, who once celebrated supporting the British invaders against the Turks, now have been reduced to a life of constant humilation and terror.

greeks will behave the same in 50 years, they will talk about how they were wrong and the times under the Turks were better. Isrealis are not like Turks, they destroy everyone and everything. In Palestine the jews spit at the christians, they will in the end shit on the christian greeks.

 

[hyperman]

There's a bunch of people here denying Ottoman crimes. 5 years on the forum I've seen people either avoiding to comment on the issue or deny it ever existed,just dismissing it. Or simply giving a rushed and vague reply like "well whatever crimes,it was bad".

These three categories of people: Majority avoid to take a position or participate in a conversation or thread about Ottoman and Young Turk war crimes and genocide,in order not to put their Turkish friends in a difficult position or because they don't care about the issue. The other category is the ones who either excuse every massacre or atrocities by Turks or Muslims in general with the mindset of "well they had it coming" or "Muslims don't do bad things" or "kuffar kuffar". And the last category is the few who give a vague reply like "well whatever happened it was bad,I don't support it" and then continue to stress whatever non-Muslim atrocities against Muslims.

Then I get dissed by the same people,about Greek-Israeli approach,when their own country was best friends with the Israelis and cooperated militarily until just 2010!

You mentioning stuff from centuries ago to justify Serbian crimes in the 90s is not legitimate in any fashion.