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The slow moving drones won't work in actual war with advance adversary

AKINCI UCAVs to fire 500+ km 300-ER air launched Ballistic Misiles to hit AD Systems in Israel from safe distance

The slow moving drones won't work in actual war with advance adversary. High Supersonic missiles Or hypersonic ones would be needed and in great numbers. Long range aesa equipped air-air missiles would be needed.

KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets are coming with AESA Radar and 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air Missile


TAYFUN Block4 and CENK are hypersonic MRBMs with speed of mach 7 to mach 10

 

[Pakistan First]

NATO is only hyper power in the World

I think you are living in some other universe? The golden age of NATO has long gone. United States is absolutely correct in its frustration about NATO and they are absolutely correct when they say NATO is nothing and a paper tiger without the US. NATO has micro militaries. Only the US and to some extent Turkey got sizeable military. Rest are using old age technologies, still living in sub-sonic era.

Lowest tech Chinese fighter jets absolutely owned Europe's best fighter jets, Rafales shotdown in real combat and Typhoons in combat exercises remain inferior. Chinese air air missiles are a generation ahead with aesa, mid course guidance and longest ranges with extreme speeds. and these are just their decades old tech. No NATO country comes close in technology against latest chinese tech. The leaked photos of massive 6th gen already flying is a marvel of engineering itself. Turkey and NATO are very late in hypersonic domain. There's a reason when Pak was getting corvettes from Turkey even then it didn't get Turkish weapons for a reason. The subsonic anti-ship missiles are a thing of a long gone past. Its using its own hi-super sonic missiles with precise targetting and long ranges. Same goes for submarine launched missiles. Same goes for air-air weapons. NATO is just ancient with micro militaries. China & US are the sole military super powers.

If I have to give score of military power out of 10.
China: 9
US: 9
NATO (all rest of countries joined): 1
Russia: 1

So NATO really doesn't matter. It can't make a difference. A thing of the past.

 

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I think you are living in some other universe? The golden age of NATO has long gone.

NATO is still only hyper power in the World

Russian technology sucks in Ukraine
And China doesnt have advanced technologies to match with NATO


U.S. Air Force used simulation data from the Taiwan national electromagnetic compatibility Laboratory

The "frontline RCS" value for the J-20 fighter jet in the X-band 10 GHz as 0.05 m² [-13 dBsqm] ...... because of delta canards

F-22 and F-35 have much lower RCS than J-20
Even Turkish KAAN is coming with RCS of 0.01 and 0,003 m2

KAAN even with F-110 Engine has lower RCS than Russian SU-57


USA develops F-47 6th gen Fighter
The UK and Italy develops GCAP 6th gen Fighter
France has its own plan to develop 6th gen Fighter
Turkiye has started developing 6th gen Fighter through KAAN


F-16V , F-15EX , F-18F , RAFALE F-5 , Eurofighter T5 , GRIPEN-NG are modern 4,5th gen Fighters

Turkish KIZILELMA unmanned stealh Fighter Jet has lower RCS than Russian SU-35 and Chinese J-10C


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Russia has only 1 old Aircraft Carrier
And China will build 9 Aircraft Carriers until 2035

on the other hand , NATO has already 16 Aircraft Carriers
also Turkish MUGEM ( 300 m ) Aircrfat Carrier is under construction
also Italy , France and Spain will build new Aircraft Carriers

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if needed
USA , The UK , France , Sweden , Turkiye have capability to produce Fighter Jets

if needed
USA , The UK , France , Germany , Italy , Turkiye , Spain have capability to produce Warships ( Frigate-Destroyer ) and Submarines

NATO has great money ( $1,6 trillion defense budget )

China and Russia's combined defense budgets range from $450 to $530 billion annually.

 

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Turkey and NATO are very late in hypersonic domain.

USA has hypersonic Missiles including HGV
Turkiye has hypersonic Ballistic Missiles ( MRBMs )

Turkiye , France and The UK-Germany develops hypersonic Missiles with SCRAMJET

The subsonic anti-ship missiles are a thing of a long gone past.

Russia could not stop even Ukrainian subsonic anti-ship Missile
The Russian Navy Moskva Cruiser has sunk in 2022


USA , France and Turkiye have capabilities to produce Cruise Missiles with turbojet engine

also USA , France , Germany , Turkiye and The UK have capability to produce RAMJET for supersonic Missiles


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Russia and China have S400 , S500 , HQ-9 Air Defense Systems

NATO has American PATRIOT , French SAMP-T and Turkish SIPER-2 Air Defense Systems

Exoatmospheric Ballistic Missile Intereptors in NATO
USA : THAAD , SM-3 , GBI
Turkiye : SIPER-4 .. ( under development )
France-Italy : ASTER-30 Block-2 BMD .. ( under development )


With weapon systems whose development will be completed according to NATO's 2035 vision, NATO will continue to be the sole hyper power of the future.

 

[royalharris]

Without the United States, NATO is just a bunch of trash
Because ten pieces of trash put together are still just a pile of trash.

The NATO Secretary General knows this very well. That is also why he called Trump “Daddy.”

 

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Without the United States, NATO is just a bunch of trash
Because ten pieces of trash put together are still just a pile of trash.

Maybe , China's or Russia's low quality weapon industry is a just bunch of trash

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Without USA , NATO is still a Power

The UK , France , Turkiye , Germany , Italy , Spain , Sweden have capability to produce

-- 4,5th , 5th and 6th gen Fighter Jets
-- Attack and Utility Helicopters
-- Transport Aircraft , AEWC , Stand off Jammer Aircraft , Air refueling Tanker
-- UCAVs and unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
-- Air Defense Systems
-- Supersonic and Hypersonic Missiles
-- Long range BVR air to air Missiles
-- SLBM with nuclear warheads
-- Aircraft Carrier
-- Corvette , Frigate , Destroyer
-- AIP and Nuclear Submarines
-- Everything

And over $600 billion defense budget .... ( without USA )

Europe - Turkiye have warrior nation and history
These countries have started most of the wars in history.

 

[Pakistan First]

Maybe , China's or Russia's low quality weapon industry is a just bunch of trash

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Without USA , NATO is still a Power

The UK , France , Turkiye , Germany , Italy , Spain , Sweden have capability to produce

-- 4,5th , 5th and 6th gen Fighter Jets
-- Attack and Utility Helicopters
-- Transport Aircraft , AEWC , Stand off Jammer Aircraft , Air refueling Tanker
-- UCAVs and unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
-- Air Defense Systems
-- Supersonic and Hypersonic Missiles
-- Long range BVR air to air Missiles
-- SLBM with nuclear warheads
-- Aircraft Carrier
-- Corvette , Frigate , Destroyer
-- AIP and Nuclear Submarines
-- Everything

And over $600 billion defense budget .... ( without USA )

Europe - Turkiye have warrior nation and history
These countries have started most of the wars in history.

Your biggest mistake is that you are using Russia as a benchmark against NATO. I already said Russia is nothing. Russia is just like NATO countries of EU.
Russia has some strengths like its massive nuclear stockpiles, nuclear submarines but lacks quality in conventional capabilities. if you keep comparing with Russia only then you are good. No need to worry.

You forgot to understand that China is prime focus and rival of United States for rest of this century. It is United States official stated objective "as biggest challenge of 21st century".

I give you one small example, China has a space station of its own. Entire NATO + US combine cannot achieve it.

Another example: China's ship building capability. China builds 70% of World's ships. China adds entire Royal UK navy into its fleet every 2 years. Yet you are comparing microscopic militaries of NATO with it lol?

As far as technology is concerned, Pakistan airforce has proven that China's military aviation is better then Europe's but there is a catch. It was China's lowest priced jet against Europe's most expensive ones.

If US and China fight a war, its like two bull Elephants fighting and NATO countries are like chickens. Their presence or no presence makes no difference at all.

 

[Pakistan First]

Without USA , NATO is still a Power

The UK , France , Turkiye , Germany , Italy , Spain , Sweden have capability to produce

-- 4,5th , 5th and 6th gen Fighter Jets

TOTAL LIE! False!

its 2026 and entire NATO (exclusing US) has never fielded a 5th gen fighter of its own (only fielded US made ones). Forget even about 6th gen. Those 6th gen are on drawing board, a fantasy ideas which are atleast 30 years away from reality. France and Germany officially terminated the joint Future Combat Air System (FCAS) on June 8 2026. So you microscopic NATO countries are 30 years away from 6th gen and we have already seen chinese 6th gen flying (the prototypes), its going to come online in service in few years.

Entire NATO (except US) has ZERO 5th gen of its own currently in service. China will have around 1000 5th gen fighters by 2030. It has around 500 right now.

Now let's come to Turkish 5th gen. Again it was impossible for Turkey without US engine. China is testing / flying its 6th gen with massive 3 engines of its own. Turkey is testing 5th gen with american engines. Feel the difference? To Turkey's credit, atleast its the only country other than US in NATO which is making 5th gen of its own but using american engines. Now you will say Turkey is also building its own engines. Well we will see if and when they come into service. Its going to take a long long time and still performance won't match the american counterparts.