Türkiye's NATO membership | News & Developments

[Bhojpuranchali]

Turkey wants Patriot System with TOT which US don't want to provide. Same with Eurosam. Also Price negotiation failed too.

Neither Russia nor the US will agree to 100% technology transfer (TOT) of any of their systems to any country. The US may still agree to some degree of technology transfer to Turkey because it is a NATO country, but Russia won't transfer even 1% of technology to Turkey.

Russia has transferred the technology of the Su-30MKI to India, but with the condition that India pays a royalty to Russia for the production of each unit. Additionally, India does not have the intellectual property rights to modify the design and create a new fighter jet or engine based on the original design.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

USA did not sale even UCAV to Turkiye
and USA did not sale PATRIOT to Turkiye even without TOT

in 2018 EUROSAM and Turkiye signed an agreement jointly develop a new AD System
but MACRON blocked this agreement in 2020 after Turkish Military operation against PKK-YPG in Afrin/Syria

We dont need PATRIOT and EUROSAM anymore
Turkiye has developed its own HISAR-O and SIPER AD Systems

Countries which can copy or can develop similar system are generally avoided to provide advance systems. Turkey is always keen to develop its own AD systems, same with the case of other defence goodies. It's not small thing to be ignored. Just think How Turkish system can change the balance in some region (a prominent example is Azri-armenian war) and also compete with same US/European Systems.

 

[MMM-E]

Countries which can copy or can develop similar system are generally avoided to provide advance systems.

Turkiye is not China

Turkiye always worked with USA-Germany-Italy-Spain for license production or technology transfer

including GE F110 Turbofan Engine which is jewelry of high technology


USA always protect PKK Terror organization
therefore USA did not sale UCAV to Turkiye to fight terrorism
even USA sold only 3 used AH-1W Super Cobra Attack Helicopters to Turkiye to fight PKK terrorism in 2011

Thanks to Italy for T-129 Attack Helicopter technology
now Turkiye produce 85 T-129s .... even export it


USA always support Israel
therefore USA did not sale PATRIOT and F-35 to Turkiye
USA wants Israel to always be one step ahead of Turkiye in the region

Turkiye had the worst Air Defense capability in the region without high altitude long range AD System

even I can not imagine what would be happen without Turkish Defense Industry

Even Greece would have already changed the balance of power in the region
USA-France gives everything to Greece but no any sophisticated weapon to Turkiye

 

[samejjangir]

Nuclear exchange is a thing of the past. War is becoming increasingly high-tech, and nuclear weapons are gradually losing their relevance. There's a reason why countries are spending billions of dollars on air defense systems, stealth fighter jets, and drones.

Name a modern high-tech weapon which is more potent than a nuclear bomb? If there is none, why rule out nuclear war?

 

[samejjangir]

Yeah,I know. But I think they bought it because of some deal with Russia. It was after Erdogan went to Moscow to "apologize" to Putin for downing the Russian Su-24 and the whole Turkish-Russian relations revival. Besides,it makes no sense. They were almost ready with their indigenous AA systems. Unless they needed the S-400 to copy parts of it and make SIPER. No idea.

Yes, that is correct. USA did a coup attempt on Erdogan and he went crying to Russia apologising for downing Russian plane and asking to hedge against USA. S400 was bought to ensure USA don't meddle in the Turkish air force and use USA aligned officers to do airstrikes and jam/disable USA assets manned by Erdogan loyalists. If at all USA tries another coupe using Turkish airforce officers, Russian S400 will still be active as it does not have its kill switch in USA hands which will then strike down any airforce jets trying to bomb Erdogan loyalists

 

[samejjangir]

And the F-35 is much cheaper than the Rafales and Eurofighter Typhoons. I don’t know about the operating costs, but Israeli F-35s cost only one-fourth of the India-specific Rafales.

Indian Rafales have 50% offset clause. Otherwise, cost would have been much lower. F35 is extremely expensive to buy and operate.

 

[UKBengali]

Still do not have a clear answer as to what exactly Turkey gets out of Nato in 2024.

It is treated abysmally by both the US and Europe and Nato membership also draws massive suspicion from the Muslim world, and Global South in general, as to which side Turkey will take in a multi-polar world we are about to enter in the 2030s.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Still do not have a clear answer as to what exactly Turkey gets out of Nato in 2024.

It is treated abysmally by both the US and Europe and Nato membership also draws massive suspicion from the Muslim world, and Global South in general, as to which side Turkey will take in a multi-polar world we are about to enter in the 2030s.

I don't believe Turkey is treated poorly in Europe or the USA. In fact, Turkey receives a level of respect in the Western world that most other Muslim countries can only dream of. While its military ties are significant with the Western World, other aspects such as infrastructure, a stable, Free and progressive society, scientific temperament, and modern education are also greatly influenced by its closeness to the West.

 

[hyperman]

Ironically,in Orthodox prophecy it is implied or even said,that Russians will be the ones who will eventually annihilate Turkey.

thats interesting b/c in Muslim eschatology, the Muslims and Rum team up to fight the Anti Christ. lol

And when did you become pro Russian. Foiny, i thought you abandoned Orthodox Brother Putin for Transatlanticism like Mitsotakis. lol

anyways, all that Aside, I don't see Russia attacking Turkey, Turkey is more important than ever as a lifeline, for Russia as it is becoming more and more pressed by the West.

 

[hyperman]

Without the US codes they cannot use them.

Trust me, if the situation was ever dire to that point where Nuclear warheads were needed it won't be US warheads that will be in play, it will be a certain Green crescent starred country that would likely be providing arms, if turkey doesn't build it itself.

 

[Foinikas]

thats interesting b/c in Muslim eschatology, the Muslims and Rum team up to fight the Anti Christ. lol

And when did you become pro Russian. Foiny, i thought you abandoned Orthodox Brother Putin for Transatlanticism like Mitsotakis. lol

anyways, all that Aside, I don't see Russia attacking Turkey, Turkey is more important than ever as a lifeline, for Russia as it is becoming more and more pressed by the West.

Also,nobody talks about brother Putin You don't know when this will happen. The geopolitical situation and what wars would be going on.

 

[mulj]

Still do not have a clear answer as to what exactly Turkey gets out of Nato in 2024.

It is treated abysmally by both the US and Europe and Nato membership also draws massive suspicion from the Muslim world, and Global South in general, as to which side Turkey will take in a multi-polar world we are about to enter in the 2030s.

As long as the russia fights ukraina war, turkyie is more then important to them, hence this sudden sale of f-16V but for turks it is probably just another swing over net in their own game.

 

[mulj]

I don't believe Turkey is treated poorly in Europe or the USA. In fact, Turkey receives a level of respect in the Western world that most other Muslim countries can only dream of. While its military ties are significant with the Western World, other aspects such as infrastructure, a stable, Free and progressive society, scientific temperament, and modern education are also greatly influenced by its closeness to the West.

no, they are treated just as undesirable enemy, that is all. all other things that you mentioned they achieved despite west and with some cold war tokens heritage projects for which west tought that will not have significance in general setup of control over turkish state.

 

[UKBengali]

As long as the russia fights ukraina war, turkyie is more then important to them, hence this sudden sale of f-16V but for turks it is probably just another swing over net in their own game.

What exactly is so great about the F-16V for Turkey?

J-10CE is a better air supremacy fighter due to higher top speed, altitude and maneuverability at altitude due to canard-delta design.

Turkey would be much better off buying J-10CE with PL-15 missiles as that is totally unknown to Greece and the USA/Europe is clearly taking Greece's side.

Buying 100 J-10CE would be a much better investment for Turkey at this stage than these F-16Vs.

Ukraine war is likely to end in 2025 as Trump comes into power and wants to focus on China.

Still I am waiting for a tangible benefit to Turkey being in Nato in 2024.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey would be much better off buying J-10CE with PL-15 missiles as that is totally unknown to Greece and the USA/Europe is clearly taking Greece's side.

Buying 100 J-10CE would be a much better investment for Turkey at this stage than these F-16Vs.

Turkiye is a NATO member
and Turkish Air Force based on American-Turkish technologies


F-16V armed with 160 km AIM-120C8 air to air Missiles to use Boeing E-7T AEWC 600 km AESA Radar to detect enemy Fighter Jets from 350 km away and guide AIM-120C8 via link-16 datalink for network centric warfare

F-16V can guide even 150-250 km SIPER Air Defense Missile via link-16 datalink

F-16V has also great Electronic Warfare capability



If Turkiye buy J-10CE with 145 km PL-15E Air to Air Missiles then we can not use them effective

Also the cost of use, maintenance, training and maintenance will create an additional burden of billions of dollars.