'Turn Out Warships Like Sausages': China Has the Largest Navy on Earth

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'Turn Out Warships Like Sausages': China Has the Largest Navy on Earth

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China's People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has surpassed the U.S. Navy in size, posing a significant strategic challenge. Critics argue that China inflates its fleet size by including dual-use vessels like civilian Roll-On-Roll-Off ferries, but this flexibility enhances China's naval capability.

by Brandon J. Weichert

Summary and Key Points You Need to Know: China's People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has surpassed the U.S. Navy in size, posing a significant strategic challenge. Critics argue that China inflates its fleet size by including dual-use vessels like civilian Roll-On-Roll-Off ferries, but this flexibility enhances China's naval capability.

-Unlike the U.S., which once relied on industrial capacity to outproduce enemies, decades of deindustrialization have left America unable to match China’s rapid shipbuilding.

-China's naval technology is also advancing, with newer submarines nearing parity with American counterparts.

-Combined with Russia's support, China's growing navy is a crucial factor in global naval dominance.

Here’s Why China’s Navy Being Bigger Than the US Navy is Important

The United States Navy has been the strongest navy in the world since the end of the Second World War. Even during the Cold War, when America was challenged by a rival superpower, the Soviet Union, the US Navy remained the dominant force on the High Seas.

It was not only that the US Navy was more competent than its rivals. It was also that the American Navy was bigger than the fleets its enemies could muster.

Today, that has changed. Possibly forever.

The world’s largest navy (in numerical terms) is the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), with the Americans coming a distant second. Many caveats are often thrown at the Chinese PLAN.

For example, critics say that China includes ships as part of their navy that the Americans do not for a variety of reasons.

Quantity Does Have a Quality of Its Own

Indeed, as Mao is rumored to have once said, “quantity has a quality of its own.” China fights dirty from the American perspective. And why wouldn’t they? They’re the ones trying to overthrow the established order. Insurgents always fight unfairly. For China, then, they’ve little compunction about manipulating the definition of warship. One thing they love to do in China is to create what’s known as “dual-use” technologies.

These are systems that are designed for obvious civilian uses in peacetime that, in wartime, can easily be converted into weapons of war.

The Americans during their revolution, and throughout much of the nineteenth century, regularly amplified their limited naval power (when compared to the mighty European empires of that era) by relying upon a fleet of merchant vessels that could be quickly converted into warships (this was the basis of the privateers in America’s history).

China’s Navy, we are told, is not yet ready to invade Taiwan because they lack adequate numbers of amphibious assault warships. This is true, if one is only looking at military amphibious capabilities in the PLAN. When one looks at China’s civilian Roll-On-Roll-Off (RoRo) ferry capability (all of which have been built to military specifications), China already has the world’s largest amphibious landing capacity.

So, the claim that China cooks its books to make it look bigger than it really is, only partly passes the smell test.

And, as for quantity trumping quality, think back to how the Soviets beat the Nazis on the Eastern Front of World War II. They ultimately were able to mass far greater numbers of troops and equipment than the Wehrmacht could withstand. That, and the fact that the Russians were fighting on their home turf (at least initially), gave them advantages.

More aptly, perhaps, it would be wise to look at how the US Navy overcame the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) in World War II. Very simply, the Americans had latent industrial capacity. Once the war got going for the Americans, they began churning out all manner of warships in record time.

The American industrial capacity was so much greater than those of Japan that, in the long run, the Japanese could not both sustain the losses of the War of the Pacific and replace those losses in any timely or meaningful way.

How America’s Deindustrialization Impacts the Naval Race with China

Sadly, after decades of deindustrialization, the Americans cannot any longer rely on latent industrial capacities to stimulate a war winning effort, should conflict erupt between the United States and the People’s Republic of China.

It is the Chinese who have become the primary beneficiaries of America’s decades-long quixotic move to amplify short-term, quarterly profits by sending all the decent manufacturing jobs and technologies overseas (notably, at least for a long time, to China).

China can today churn out warships (and other weapons of war) like sausages.

Another argument is that, while China’s navy is larger than that of the United States, it is not as technically superior.

Even that claim does not ring true.

Again, think back to the American experience in WWII. Quantity more than made up for whatever quality the US Navy may have lacked when compared to Japan’s Navy at the start of the war (Japan first innovated the use of aircraft carriers as demonstrated by their victory over the Americans at Pearl Harbor).

Over time, however, the Americans not only created many more warships than could the Japanese, but the US Navy systems got better with each iteration. And the more that the Navy produced these systems, the quicker and better they learned how to perfect the next generation.

American shipyards today cannot handle the Navy’s peacetime demands. They certainly could not handle wartime conditions. China, however, can. Further, all China needs to do is create enough warships to overwhelm the Americans in waters closer to Chinese territory than to America to give Beijing the victory at sea it seeks over Washington.

One last thing.

China is Advanced

Take a gander at how China has innovated their naval technology. Today, their newest submarines are more sophisticated and at parity with their American rivals than even a generation ago. Meanwhile, Chinese scientists are innovating new propulsion systems for their subs, such as using lasers as extremely fast underwater propulsion.

Oh, and neighbor Russia, probably the world’s second-most powerful submarine force (beside the American force), has now taken a strategy for sharing advanced submarine technologies with their newfound partners in Beijing.

All these developments, coupled with China’s massive manufacturing supremacy, means that the size of China’s Navy is hugely important.
 
In depth look into expansion of bohai shipyard. China main nuclear submarines builder.
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What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Typical *Good Guy USA* talk from the NationalInterest.
Posted for reference and discussion, I don't agree with some of OP views as well.
 
Other than subs the days of other naval assets are numbered
 
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13 large surface ships being built for the Chinese PLA Navy. Image way back in May just for some reference.

6 DDGs, 2 FFGs, 2 LHDs, and 3 Large Cutters
 

China’s Shipbuilding Capacity: 232 Times Greater Than United States

Brandon J. Weichert
September 14, 2024

Summary and Key Points: China's shipbuilding capabilities now vastly outpace those of the United States, with a production capacity 232 times greater, a gap that continues to widen.

-While some argue that U.S. ships are technologically superior, Chinese warships are increasingly advanced, designed to overwhelm American vessels.

-The Ukraine war has further bolstered China’s military by deepening ties with Russia, which is sharing sensitive submarine propulsion technology.

-Meanwhile, U.S. naval forces face maintenance issues and lag behind China in ship numbers.

-America’s once-dominant naval power is at risk as China's naval advancements and strategic shipbuilding efforts continue to surge.

"China’s shipbuilding capacity is 232 times greater than that of the United States.”

That is the headline by Cathalijne Adams in a blog post for the Alliance for American Manufacturing in January 2023. The situation has only worsened for the Americans since then.

A common response to the problem is to claim that while China may be able to build more ships, those ships are technologically inferior to those of the U.S. Navy.

Well, even that is wrong.

Chinese warships are increasingly technologically proficient. What’s more, they are designed with the specific intention of overwhelming U.S. warships with superior firepower.

Further, the Ukraine War, which has alienated both China and Russia from the West and sent the two countries into a warm embrace. Moscow announced that it will begin sharing with China the specifications for advanced submarine propulsion systems that previous Russian governments had refused to share with Beijing.

These capabilities, combined with China’s impressive manufacturing capacity, means only one thing: America’s days of fielding the largest and most technologically advanced navy are numbered.

But don’t just take it from me.

The Broken U.S. Navy

Look at the sad state of existing U.S. Navy warships. Countless warships have been photographed with rusty, discolored hulls. This indicates they are being run ragged and are not properly maintained, likely due to the constraints of U.S. military shipyards, as well as deferred maintenance.

China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has grown decisively, in sophistication as well as numbers. In fact, some reports suggest that the PLAN will reach 435 ships by 2030.

The U.S. Navy, on the other hand, has around 300 ships. This has created a numerical imbalance between the U.S. Navy and the PLAN. At some point, China will no longer be deterred by the simple presence of an American flat top sailing very near China’s shores.

American warships are technically superior to China’s – for now. One area U.S. warships have an advantage over their PLAN rivals is in the domain of radar systems, missile defense, and electronic warfare (EW). Plus, the U.S. Navy leads the world in number of aircraft carriers. Sadly, these platforms are increasingly obsolete. China’s development of anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) systems that could destroy the aircraft carriers in question is a sign that America should stop building these vessels.

How did the United States go from the “arsenal of democracy” 80 years ago to having no weapons to spare at all?

The Dangerous, Violet Path to Peace

The answer, as Indian geopolitical analyst, S.K. Kanthan, so eloquently tweeted, can be found here: “America—deindustrialized and ruined by financial cabal.” At the same time that American elites convinced themselves and much of the world that deindustrializing the American heartland was a good idea, China used those newfound manufacturing capabilities to become a world-class shipbuilder.

China’s shipbuilders are supported by a modern and large defense industrial base. State subsidies are given to the shipbuilders, and the Chinese shipyards have but one mission: to make China the world’s leading power.

At some point, soon, I fear, the Americans won’t be able to bluff their way out of a possible fight.

 
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China is very close to the Usa, they are only lacking in a deadly stealth nuclear submarine, aircraft carriers, and navy aviation, I believe soon this will be solved, they have newer submarines on the way, aircraft carriers being build and j35s nearly ready. Frigates and destroyers are already battle ready.
 
China is very close to the Usa, they are only lacking in a deadly stealth nuclear submarine, aircraft carriers, and navy aviation, I believe soon this will be solved, they have newer submarines on the way, aircraft carriers being build and j35s nearly ready. Frigates and destroyers are already battle ready.


China isn’t close to the USN, the USN has more than double the VLS cells of China, and our naval aviation and undersea domain capabilities far more advanced.
 

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