U.S. Ban of TikTok Is Set to Deal a Major Blow to ByteDance, Its Chinese Owner

[j_hungary]

The law was passed with the leeway of allowing the president the choice of enforcement. Tramp can choose not to enforce.

There is no leeway for enforcement.......

If a law has passed, the president has to enforce it, President, as always, can choose how to enforce the law, but at the end of the day, the law is about foreign intervention and strictly prohibit US company to deal with Tik Tok, regardless how you enforce it, that is the result.

The president "Could" issue an exemption via an executive order and allowing some exception to the rules, but since the Ultimate result is stop Tik Tok from collecting American data. He can probably issue an executive order exempting company like Coca Cola to deal with Tik Tok, but it's not going to be possible to issue an exemption to Oracle to deal with Tik Tok so they can continue their apps in the US using Oracle Server. Because Tik Tok continue operation = American Data keep being harvest = violating the Foreign Interference bill. And Trump can't just say I don't enforce the law, again, there is a Take Care Clause in the constitution require him to do so.

And Trump already said numerous times, he wants a US China JV on Tik Tok where US get 50.1%. That's his goal, that's why he asks for the 90 days, so if Tik Tok survive this, this is not going to be the same Tik Tok it was a week ago.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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Trump has extended TikTok for 75 days. If it’s not sold to an American company it will be banned once again.

 

[Faithfulguy]

There is no leeway for enforcement.......

If a law has passed, the president has to enforce it, President, as always, can choose how to enforce the law, but at the end of the day, the law is about foreign intervention and strictly prohibit US company to deal with Tik Tok, regardless how you enforce it, that is the result.

The president "Could" issue an exemption via an executive order and allowing some exception to the rules, but since the Ultimate result is stop Tik Tok from collecting American data. He can probably issue an executive order exempting company like Coca Cola to deal with Tik Tok, but it's not going to be possible to issue an exemption to Oracle to deal with Tik Tok so they can continue their apps in the US using Oracle Server. Because Tik Tok continue operation = American Data keep being harvest = violating the Foreign Interference bill. And Trump can't just say I don't enforce the law, again, there is a Take Care Clause in the constitution require him to do so.

And Trump already said numerous times, he wants a US China JV on Tik Tok where US get 50.1%. That's his goal, that's why he asks for the 90 days, so if Tik Tok survive this, this is not going to be the same Tik Tok it was a week ago.

How likely is a joint venture if TikTok algorithm is not part of the deal? From what I understand, Chinese law prohibits sale of such algorithms to foreign entities.

Also, Rand Paul is creating a new bill to revert this law. If Trump support his bill, it’s possible that the law could be reverted.

 

[Developereo]

Also, Rand Paul is creating a new bill to revert this law. If Trump support his bill, it’s possible that the law could be reverted.

Republican support of this bill may become the first public show of loyalty from GOP Congress to Trump -- or it could create public friction.

Will be interesting to watch...

 

[j_hungary]

How likely is a joint venture if TikTok algorithm is not part of the deal? From what I understand, Chinese law prohibits sale of such algorithms to foreign entities.

There are no way ByteDance is going to let US control Tik Tok, that's not just because of its US Operation, this is like giving out the golden goose.

And of course there are no way they are going to buy if the deal didn't come with the algorithm. Well, unless they really are about Data Security and they care about the money, in this case, Tik Tok won't be worth buying commercially if the algo didn't come with

Also, Rand Paul is creating a new bill to revert this law. If Trump support his bill, it’s possible that the law could be reverted.

You will need supermajority to pass both house, the last bill with the last congress passed the bill with bi-partisan support. Unless the dem play ball, GOP won't pass this bill, they will be about 40-50 Congressmen short and 8 senator short to pass any bill, and that's supposedly based on he can get all GOP support, not all of the congress wants to unban TikTok. And lol Dem won't do that, you can bet your ass on it

Whether or not it is possible, well, yes of course, but I will say I probably have a higher chance hitting the lotto in the next 6 month then they can repeal this bill in the next 4 years.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

And that unfortunately is the harsh reality. Still enough old bulls left in the Senate who don't like Paul.

 

[MH.Yang]

Last estimate I saw for American crossovers to RedNote was 3M. Obviously, that’s not anywhere close to what TikTok had at 170M.

What’s more likely to happen is the CCP severing Chinese/American contact on Rednote to kill American creator soft power in China.

You've browsed the blogs of American users on REDnote even once, and you wouldn't have come to such an absurd conclusion.

The day before yesterday the Chinese government's Internet Information Office issued an announcement allowing foreign cell phone numbers to register all apps in China, not just REDnote. you see where the Chinese government is going with this, the wolf is really coming.

btw: The US government simply doesn't have the ability to ban REDnote and other Chinese apps whose servers are in China and don't operate in the U.S. At most, the U.S. government can get Apple and Android to take down apps such as REDnote in the U.S. But what good will that do? We all know how easy it is for ios to change zones or vpn.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

there are tiktok users claiming the push algorithm and censorship policy seem to have been changed. I guess this could mean some backroom deal have been reached

 

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[Beijingwalker]

Support for a TikTok Ban Is Dwindling
by Felix Richter,
Jan 17, 2025

The Supreme Court is expected to announce its ruling on whether to uphold the law that would effectively ban TikTok in the United States on Friday, three days before Donald Trump - a vocal critic of the ban - is sworn in for his second term.

When President Joe Biden signed into law legislation that would force TikTok parent ByteDance to divest the U.S. arm of its popular social media platform in April 2024, the company was given 270 days to comply with the order or be banned from operating in the United States. That deadline expires on Sunday, but despite ByteDance's failure to find a suitable buyer by now, the fate of TikTok in the U.S. from Sunday on is still unclear.

The “Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act”, as the law is called, seeks to cut any ties between TikTok, its current parent company and the Chinese government, which allegedly abuses the platform to “surveil and influence the American public” in a way that poses a threat to national security.

In December, the United States Court of Appeals upheld the law, finding that it does not violate the First Amendment. "The First Amendment exists to protect free speech in the United States. Here the Government acted solely to protect that freedom from a foreign adversary nation and to limit that adversary’s ability to gather data on people in the United States," the judges explained their decision. Later that month, president-elect Trump filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court, asking to stay the deadline for a TikTok divestiture so that his administration could pursue an alternative solution that would prevent a TikTok ban, while also addressing the national security concerns.

Trump is not alone in his scepticism towards a potential TikTok ban. Support from the American public has also been dwindling. According to two surveys conducted by the Pew Research Center in March 2023 and in July/August 2024, the share of U.S. adults supporting the ban dropped from 50 to 32 percent. Interestingly, support could be seen waning on both sides of the aisle, with the share of respondents in support of the ban dropping from 43 to 24 percent among Democrats and from 60 to 42 percent among Republicans. Unsurprisingly, TikTok users are largely opposed to the ban, with just 10 percent of users stating their support.

 

[Beijingwalker]

by Felix Richter,
Jan 17, 2025
In recent years, TikTok has surged in popularity in the U.S. and across the globe, captivating users with easily consumable content. With its innovative short-form video format, TikTok has become a cultural phenomenon, influencing trends in music, dance, comedy and beyond. Its algorithm-driven content recommendation system has proven highly effective in keeping users engaged, inspiring other social media platforms to lean heavily into algorithm recommendations as well (hello Instagram!).

According to Statista Consumer Insights, 4 in 10 U.S. adults aged 18 to 64 regularly used TikTok in 2024, making it the fourth most popular social media platform in the U.S., trailing only Facebook, YouTube and Instagram. That’s up from just 14 percent in 2020, showing how quickly TikTok has established itself as a key player in the social media landscape following its arrival in the United States in 2018. As our chart shows, the app is particularly popular among younger users with almost 60 percent of 18 to 29-year-olds using it regularly. It is also the most popular social media platform for U.S. teens according to another recent survey, which is why some lawmakers fear it could be used by the CCP to “indoctrinate” the American youth.

 

[Yommie]

If GOP is smart, they unban TikTok and gain the support of Gen Z voters.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

If GOP is smart, they unban TikTok and gain the support of Gen Z voters.

Don't count on it.

 

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Trump has extended TikTok for 75 days. If it’s not sold to an American company it will be banned once again.

Did someone just blinked? LOLOLOL.

 

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