UK Racism against Muslims and Brown people: Why are blacks in the UK given a free pass by white english racists?

[313Ghazi]

I agree with you.
Can’t generalise but i also see where pakistanforever is coming from.
You are derived and based on what your experiences are. Clearly he has had a crap experience in his lifetime hence his mind is stuck with that Fxxk you mentality.
You know if you lived here for 20 years plus - you can smell the agitation hatred and racism. In return out bro @PAKISTANFOREVER aint the kind of character to take crap.
Frankly anyone making a remark where i think my son or anyone close is being racially abused - il knock them out…..

The thing is you have to to be careful to not become what you hate.

I get your point though and I get his vibe.

Yesterday I was parked up on double yellows in the hood, near my parents house. This junkie gora walking by mumbled something.

I don't even know what he said, but it triggered me. I jumped out of the car, walked over to him and said "yo, what the fk did you say?!" in my most ghettoest of accents... Lol

He turned around shook "I just said you can't park there sir, and then I said it's normanton, nobody here follows the rules anyway".

So I retorted "who the fk are you and what the fk are you gonna gonna do about it ya facking ****?!"

He started moving faster "listen it's not the size of the man yeah, im a black belt".

I told him your a black belt in injecting "smack you fuxking junkie. Get the **** out of here".

He then mumbled something incoherent and I took a few steps towards him "why you running bitch, thought you were a bad man!".

He shouted "I'm getting my dog" as he ran away.

Now what I did was stupid. There was no need for aggro but it's more than the words. It's the auqat. Bro 20 years ago people used to walk around our hood, not through it. If you were a junkie walking through norms you kept your head down and your tail tucked between your legs. I swear most goray don't drive through our ends - they think it's dangerous.

Now that our youngsters have started recording people on thier phones instead of stomping heads, suddenly these junkies think they're safe. Worse still they've seen a few racist social media videos and suddenly have this Josh about them.

F.uck that shit. Not in my hood. Today he's mumbling under his breath within my presence, what if it had been a woman, or a kid. Or someone elderly.

I'm right there when it comes to it, I was there on the front lines with the youth tooled up with Tommy and his boys were spreading rumours of marches. But we can't become them.

The country is full of wonderful people of all ilks. You see them every day.

 

[Master Chief]

Your vibe is very racist to all non whites and non Pakistani people
You claim.they are all ugly horrible insidious people Europeans Indians blacks the lot
You claim you only wish to integrate with Pakistanis

My question to you is this
Have you not thought of burning your British passport and moving to Pakistan..That why you and yours won't be touched by any body in any way by no. Pakistani the people that you claim are the universally the best for you ..

I have to agree with Yasser
I live and work in the second city for high street bank
I live with white middle class and Asian middle class people in suburbia
I love travelling to Europe Italy Austria France etc ..I love the Europeans their look their style their history and culture

At work I have Pakistani colleagues both sexes and love talking to avd helping the elderly Asians of all South Asian heritage

They give me respect and admiration

Pakistan for ever ...you claim the whites are racist
For seventy years they have let us worship follow our culture traditions in the UK without limits

I think you need to be careful what you wish for

Your vocal but will be the last to leave Europe and go to Pakistan if push came to shove

Here's the fundamental problem with the "aman ki asha" narrative.

It is now hopelessly outdated.

There was a time when I would have agreed that Pakistan origin and Indian origin diaspora could get on, mingle, and indeed be closer to one another than any two other distinct ethnic classes, while leaving south asian "politics" behind in south asia. That all changed when Mr Modi and his Golwalkar-esque cabal became mainstream in Hindustan. This mentality slowly diffused out into both the established diaspora and also via the new migrant classes from India (students, deliveroo types etc).

These events brought us to where we are today - a basal level of mistrust between two of UK's oldest established migrant groups. As they say on GB News, "sectarianism" has been exported. What GB News - deliberately - overlooks though is that the blame for this phenomenon lies squarely at the feet of hindutva movement. Modi himself has stated openly his hostility to Pakistan as a concept AND to Pakistani influence ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. Countless times we have sat down to watch some cultural event or sporting fixture outside of Pakistan itself and we Pakistanis have been subjected to malevolent efforts (variably amateurish in their nature) to derail and bring harm to those events purely because of Pakistani (or even peeceived Pakistani) participation.

Some would argue that Hindustan has always been this way inclined, and that the mask has simply slipped now, perhaps permanently.

I personally see no future for "south Asians" as a single community with any sort of cohesive or unified voice in UK. And long may it stay that way.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Bro - go outside, touch the grass. Look who you are arguing against. He's not interested in your views, he's interested in telling you his ethno facists views are right.

Chill yera, life's too short. Not a pop at you bro, I'm just trying to save the mental health of the few sane voices we have left on this forum.

When there were more "sane voices" on PDF, anti-Pakistani, Islamaphobic, anti-Muslim racism by indians was rampant and the hindutva were running riot here. When the Pakistani nationalists and patriots started ffighting back we were told that PDF was becoming biased and intolerant. Why is anti-Pakistani and Islamaphobic racism allowed but racism against racist people not allowed?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Here's the fundamental problem with the "aman ki asha" narrative.

It is now hopelessly outdated.

There was a time when I would have agreed that Pakistan origin and Indian origin diaspora could get on, mingle, and indeed be closer to one another than any two other distinct ethnic classes, while leaving south asian "politics" behind in south asia. That all changed when Mr Modi and his Golwalkar-esque cabal became mainstream in Hindustan. This mentality slowly diffused out into both the established diaspora and also via the new migrant classes from India (students, deliveroo types etc).

These events brought us to where we are today - a basal level of mistrust between two of UK's oldest established migrant groups. As they say on GB News, "sectarianism" has been exported. What GB News - deliberately - overlooks though is that the blame for this phenomenon lies squarely at the feet of hindutva movement. Modi himself has stated openly his hostility to Pakistan as a concept AND to Pakistani influence ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. Countless times we have sat down to watch some cultural event or sporting fixture outside of Pakistan itself and we Pakistanis have been subjected to malevolent efforts (variably amateurish in their nature) to derail and bring harm to those events purely because of Pakistani (or even peeceived Pakistani) participation.

Some would argue that Hindustan has always been this way inclined, and that the mask has simply slipped now, perhaps permanently.

I personally see no future for "south Asians" as a single community with any sort of cohesive or unified voice in UK. And long may it stay that way.

There is NO collective mythical "south asian" community. Pakistanis are racially, genetically, culturally and religiously VERY fundamentally different to indians. ALSO, please never forget that it was uk indian hindus and sikhs who have been supporting white european racists in their violent racism against Pakistanis and Muslims. uk indian hindus and sikhs have also tried to instigate violent attacks against Pakistanis and Muslims by white european racists. They have gone quiet as the white racists have now turned on indian sikhs and hindus too.

The ONLY other communities us Pakistanis can form alliances and have good relations with are other communities of practicing Muslims who are not Pakistanis. That's it, no one else. indian hindus and sikhs are just as much a racist enemy of Pakistanis as are the white european racists.

 

[harpy1]

We'll agree to disagree. I'm 47 years old now. I have witnessed ALOT of extreme racial violence since the 1980s when I was still at primary sschool. I'm a racial REALIST.

Slightly older than you but can honestly say thankfully not suffered blatant racism from whites ever.

Birmingham Born In Punjabi sikh strong hold maybe
The circle I stay in maybe
But I do travel out accross the UK on hiking trips national trust etc Never felt threatened or singled out
Travelled western Europe with wife and boys never felt it in Europe either

Yes I know there is worry by all.whites on immigration and Islamphobia but witnessing the scenes in Spain this week of north African people storming Spanish enclaves I see why there is a growing right wing movement in all of Europe

These Africans are like herds of animals swamping our shores

You claim Pakistani people should only link with other islamic people ..Are you referring to those hordes

Or is it selective

I say it again be careful what you wish for do you really want to live only with these types

Because that is not Europe or the west

 

[harpy1]

Here's the fundamental problem with the "aman ki asha" narrative.

It is now hopelessly outdated.

There was a time when I would have agreed that Pakistan origin and Indian origin diaspora could get on, mingle, and indeed be closer to one another than any two other distinct ethnic classes, while leaving south asian "politics" behind in south asia. That all changed when Mr Modi and his Golwalkar-esque cabal became mainstream in Hindustan. This mentality slowly diffused out into both the established diaspora and also via the new migrant classes from India (students, deliveroo types etc).

These events brought us to where we are today - a basal level of mistrust between two of UK's oldest established migrant groups. As they say on GB News, "sectarianism" has been exported. What GB News - deliberately - overlooks though is that the blame for this phenomenon lies squarely at the feet of hindutva movement. Modi himself has stated openly his hostility to Pakistan as a concept AND to Pakistani influence ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. Countless times we have sat down to watch some cultural event or sporting fixture outside of Pakistan itself and we Pakistanis have been subjected to malevolent efforts (variably amateurish in their nature) to derail and bring harm to those events purely because of Pakistani (or even peeceived Pakistani) participation.

Some would argue that Hindustan has always been this way inclined, and that the mask has simply slipped now, perhaps permanently.

I personally see no future for "south Asians" as a single community with any sort of cohesive or unified voice in UK. And long may it stay that way.

This divide has always existed it's nothing new
In bham we have predominate Indian Punjabi areas and also predominantly Pakistani regions

I was shocked to read the Pakistan community outnumber the Sikhs by factor or one to ten in 2025. In second city ..

I recently had my mum in hospital in heartlands unfortunately ..!


it is Pakistani location hospital and it felt like I was in another country

Yet I am born and bred Brummie ..The experience shocked me I felt uncomfortable not going to lie . Simply because of the fact I have never been to this part of Bham..

It's weird

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Khalistan is bull shit
Just like in Pakistan Kashmiri riots going on in Pakistan is bull shit or the Baluchistan or kpk kick offs are bull shit

But I am.happy in uk living amongst whites and others
And yes I have problem of hoardes of people from.Africa etc storming Europe

You sir are hypocritical you want to live in the west but a islamic enclave so you claim

But I'm not convinced deep down you would like that really

Not really bothered with what your opinions are or not. Not happy with hordes of africans coming to the uk but probably happy with a horde of 1 million indian immigrants coming to the uk under sunak whom the white english are not happy about. ALOT of the white english have a problem with indian immigrantion. It's not for the sikhs to decide who can come to the uk or not. sikhs are not responsible for british/white western european culture and civilisation.

When did sikhs start dictating what is good for the british and english?.................


PS You are posting on a Pakistani forum and speaking from a sikh perspective which is VERY alien and different to us. Your better off on a sikh/indian forum.

 

[harpy1]

Not really bothered with what your opinions are or not. Not happy with hordes of africans coming to the uk but probably happy with a horde of 1 million indian immigrants coming to the uk under sunak whom the white english are not happy about. ALOT of the white english have a problem with indian immigrantion. It's not for the sikhs to decide who can come to the uk or not. sikhs are not responsible for british/white western european culture and civilisation.

When did sikhs start dictating what is good for the british and english?.................


PS You are posting on a Pakistani forum and speaking from a sikh perspective which is VERY alien and different to us. Your better off on a sikh/indian forum.

I'm..not dictating ...I'm grateful to be British born Indian and to have the life style I enjoy here in the west

I won't bite the hands that feed me and my family

I want to protect and preserve the society I was born in
I love the western history and heritage as much as the enormous Indian heritage too ..I'm fortunate

Millions of unchecked immigration from Africa or India is not good for your family or mine your people or mine

As for Pakistan forum ..im stating my preference we live in democracy
This is not military dictatorship lol.

Since your quick to point Indian immigration issue for whites

They absolutely disgusted by grooming gangs and hordes of African migrants too

What started the rise of European Right wing politics

Indian immigrants
Ishamphobia and worry of Islam.over taking European religion in decades
Grooming gangs
Islamic terror

Who you blaming you keep.saying Indian.this and Sikhs that ...You people outnumber us ten to one in Europe

 

[Daiba]

For years I have wondered why white english racists have ALWAYS given blacks a free pass.

Its very simple. Hating and expressing hate for Browns has no consequence. Hating and expressing hate for blacks have consequences. Why is it so? Because, blacks are a camoflarge hiding someone else too... keep on reading...

There is a very simple way to undo this. Have more lawyers in the community. Not immigration type. Civil litigation type.

Sue every hater and those who tolerate hate into oblivion. Extract money from them and destroy their life.
Second part is media. Have control over media and use it to broadcast the racists identity continuously. Also, make movies about victim narrative.
Third is advocacy group. Have lobbies to lobby legislation about anti hate laws.
Fourth is donation. Donate to political parties and be a major political donator in elections.
Fifth is money. Have more people in lucrative fields like finance to direct coporate donations to your advocacy groups.


Reminds you of someone who does all of it? Hint : They are in vast numbers in new york. They wear black caps and dig tunnels between buildings. They also support anti hate laws against hate on their own community as well as blacks. To avoid blame of only one being hated or manipulation.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I'm..not dictating ...I'm grateful to be British born Indian and to have the life style I enjoy here in the west

I won't bite the hands that feed me and my family

I want to protect and preserve the society I was born in
I love the western history and heritage as much as the enormous Indian heritage too ..I'm fortunate

Millions of unchecked immigration from Africa or India is not good for your family or mine your people or mine

As for Pakistan forum ..im stating my preference we live in democracy
This is not military dictatorship lol.

Since your quick to point Indian immigration issue for whites

They absolutely disgusted by grooming gangs and hordes of African migrants too

What started the rise of European Right wing politics

Indian immigrants
Ishamphobia and worry of Islam.over taking European religion in decades
Grooming gangs
Islamic terror

Who you blaming you keep.saying Indian.this and Sikhs that ...You people outnumber us ten to one in Europe

I'm..not dictating ...I'm grateful to be British born Indian and to have the life style I enjoy here in the west

I won't bite the hands that feed me and my family

I want to protect and preserve the society I was born in
I love the western history and heritage as much as the enormous Indian heritage too ..I'm fortunate

Millions of unchecked immigration from Africa or India is not good for your family or mine your people or mine

As for Pakistan forum ..im stating my preference we live in democracy
This is not military dictatorship lol.

Since your quick to point Indian immigration issue for whites

They absolutely disgusted by grooming gangs and hordes of African migrants too

What started the rise of European Right wing politics

Indian immigrants
Ishamphobia and worry of Islam.over taking European religion in decades
Grooming gangs
Islamic terror

Who you blaming you keep.saying Indian.this and Sikhs that ...You people outnumber us ten to one in Europe

What is your point? Carry on being grateful to the white english, enjoy the lifestyle and carry on socialising with them. Crack on. NO-ONE here gives a damn............why do you need to come to a Pakistani forum to tell us this? Pakistanis and sikhs are racially and culturally completely different to one another and we are eternal enemies too. Completely irrelevant you coming here and telling us this.

PS It is for the white english to decide if they want african immigrants or not. It's not for me or sikhs to make that decision. We came here through immigration ourselves, who are we to impose conditions. Also, most african immigrants are Christian. Over 70% of them. From the point of view of social circles, marriage, relationship and having children, the white english would prefer black africans to sikhs and indians WAY WAY more. Also, these africans produce world class footballers which sikhs and indians don't. Which is important as football is a BIG BIG part of white english culture.

 

[Musings]

Stick to the topic
This ain’t Pakistan v India ffs

 

[Master Chief]

This divide has always existed it's nothing new
In bham we have predominate Indian Punjabi areas and also predominantly Pakistani regions

I was shocked to read the Pakistan community outnumber the Sikhs by factor or one to ten in 2025. In second city ..

I recently had my mum in hospital in heartlands unfortunately ..!


it is Pakistani location hospital and it felt like I was in another country

Yet I am born and bred Brummie ..The experience shocked me I felt uncomfortable not going to lie . Simply because of the fact I have never been to this part of Bham..

It's weird

So you have chosen to describe geographic differentials instead of the differences in mentality that I have described hitherto and on numerous occasions previously.

This is simple evasion of the points I made. Naturally, there are Pakistani predominant and Sikh predominant areas up and down the country. There are also hindu predominant areas, particularly with the wave of students and deliveroo riders I described previously.

None of this geography actually matters in terms of the "mentality divide" that now exists, pervasive within British society.

I am not sure why you felt "uncomfortable" in a Pakistani predominant area, since if you are not in such a place looking for aggro, which clearly you were not, you would be perfectly comfortable and able to get on with your own business in any Pakistani areas up and down the country. This is likely a simple dramatisation on your part, the motives for which need not be speculated on further. Certainly, Pakistanis in areas like Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford, Burnley became very active when threatened by EITHER hindutva rioters or EDL-type rioters historically.

Nothing to feel "weird" about from you, other than the long overdue collective shame of phull diaspora sapport for hindutva's global agenda.

Believe you me....the moped wallas would love to do the exact same stuff they do back home in the UP cow belt over here, but mercifully, we will stop them at every pass. You, as a Sikh born here in UK, are well aware of this sordid reality regarding your diaspora kin, but naturally you will obfuscate any conversation regarding them and instead will complain about "Pakistani predominant areas make me uncomfortable bro!". FFS mate, we have been here as long as you have. We just don't cry for a new statue every 5 years for "sacrifices in the wars saar!".

 

[Master Chief]

Not happy with hordes of africans coming to the uk but probably happy with a horde of 1 million indian immigrants coming to the uk under sunak

Great point. Don't expect an honest answer to it though.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Great point. Don't expect an honest answer to it though.

indians want there to be ONLY indian immigrants allowed in the uk. indians have this MASSIVE hatred towards ANYONE who isn't white or indian, not just towards Pakistanis and Muslims. They believe that white europeans should be the most superior race followed by indians in second place who should be superior to ALL other non-whites IN ALL fields. Which is why indians have a rabid hatred towards blacks for being more athletic than them and naturally much better at sports than indians are. indians also hate East Asians as they are MUCH MUCH more intelligent and scientifically/technologically more advanced than indians are.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So you have chosen to describe geographic differentials instead of the differences in mentality that I have described hitherto and on numerous occasions previously.

This is simple evasion of the points I made. Naturally, there are Pakistani predominant and Sikh predominant areas up and down the country. There are also hindu predominant areas, particularly with the wave of students and deliveroo riders I described previously.

None of this geography actually matters in terms of the "mentality divide" that now exists, pervasive within British society.

I am not sure why you felt "uncomfortable" in a Pakistani predominant area, since if you are not in such a place looking for aggro, which clearly you were not, you would be perfectly comfortable and able to get on with your own business in any Pakistani areas up and down the country. This is likely a simple dramatisation on your part, the motives for which need not be speculated on further. Certainly, Pakistanis in areas like Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford, Burnley became very active when threatened by EITHER hindutva rioters or EDL-type rioters historically.

Nothing to feel "weird" about from you, other than the long overdue collective shame of phull diaspora sapport for hindutva's global agenda.

Believe you me....the moped wallas would love to do the exact same stuff they do back home in the UP cow belt over here, but mercifully, we will stop them at every pass. You, as a Sikh born here in UK, are well aware of this sordid reality regarding your diaspora kin, but naturally you will obfuscate any conversation regarding them and instead will complain about "Pakistani predominant areas make me uncomfortable bro!". FFS mate, we have been here as long as you have. We just don't cry for a new statue every 5 years for "sacrifices in the wars saar!".

indian hindus and sikhs CANNOT dare mess with uk Pakistanis. They would get ANNIHILATED. Hence the racial hatred they have for Pakistanis. It also explains why the white english far-right groups are ALWAYS complaining about Pakistanis. For our ability to physically fight against and subdue them. Here in the uk, Pakistanis are VERY well-versed in street violence and fighting.