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but you said Iran's total capabilities were destroyed along with any infrastructure to manufacture anything new?

The Americans are on track to win every military engagement but still lose the war, just as they did in Vietnam. This war is a strategic failure for the USA. That is what this, the other thread show. That is why "none" of the "allies", even those blindly follow the USA are now saying no, we are not going to touch this war as they can all see where it is going.
 
What's going on ? With all that might you can't even secure strait of Hormuz.... threatening and begging other countries to help you out .
i do not know why they are trying to destroy an international airport which is not even tehran as tehran is irans major economic center.... this will not work


iran is doing the smarter targeting right now and i cannot believe im saying this.

Just waiting now for houthis to block the red sea and it is probably the biggest crisis for oil ever then.
 
Iran has been under formal military sanctions for over 40 years now, where they have not been able to purchase systems from the international market.

So, people are getting joyful at being a superpower taking on a much smaller country that has been under military sanctions and securing some minor battlefield victories against them.

What this war proves, is that in with a near peer country like China, the USA will massively suffer with their old war machine. The fact that the USN has to operate well over 1,000km from Iran their aircraft carriers, shows the limited abilities of the USN to protect their carriers in a contested environment.

Iran is still there in the ring against two countries operating the most advanced systems out there, and when all is "said and done", it will be the USA who will be nursing defeat, not Iran. We can all see this.
 
Iran is still there in the ring against two countries operating the most advanced systems out there, and when all is "said and done", it will be the USA who will be nursing defeat, not Iran. We can all see this.

The only caveat here is how will we know all has been said and done? What needs to happen to conclude that that moment has arrived?
 
The only caveat here is how will we know all has been said and done? What needs to happen to conclude that that moment has arrived?

Months I am afraid(imho). Trumps ego won't allow him to declare victory and do a TACO on this as he has no victory to shout about, and Iran wants to exact a price to ensure there is real deterrence the next time people have these ideas again.
 
Months I am afraid(imho). Trumps ego won't allow him to declare victory and do a TACO on this as he has no victory to shout about, and Iran wants to exact a price to ensure there is real deterrence the next time people have these ideas again.
You are exaggerating the death of America and glorifying the bleats of a lamb ..may Allah bless you with more finesse to spin .
 
If a post was deleted it was either off topic or violated forum rules.

Remember, I'm not the only moderator here.
Two articles were from the Unz Review and were on topic. Another (wish it did not get deleted, was an excellent article on how the closing of the Persian Gulf will affect the economy in China).

Choke Point: The Global Economic Consequences of the Persian Gulf Shutdown

How the disruption of oil, liquefied natural gas, and urea exports will cascade through the world economy


Snippets:

United States. The US has achieved near-energy-independence through its shale oil and gas revolution. It is a net oil exporter and the world’s largest LNG exporter. It produces large quantities of domestic urea. A Gulf shutdown would raise global prices and affect US consumers, but the supply shock would not directly threaten US energy security. The US is best placed of all major economies.

And

Conclusion

The Persian Gulf is not merely an important trade route — it is a structural dependency baked into the global economy over seven decades. The simultaneous disruption of oil, LNG, and urea flows from the region constitute a polycrisis of exceptional severity: an energy shock, an industrial shock, and a food security crisis arriving together, reinforcing one another, and challenging the capacity of governments, international institutions, and markets to respond.

Decades of optimisation around cost efficiency — concentrating energy production, fertiliser manufacture, and shipping in the most economical locations — has created a system that is efficient in stable conditions but catastrophically fragile under stress. If Iran is able to sustain the closure of the Strait of Hormuz for a month or more, it will enjoy significant leverage in negotiations to end the blockade.
~

Watch the urea exports, and the countries most exposed:

Crop yield decline. Without adequate nitrogen fertiliser, yields of staple crops — wheat, rice, maize, soy — would fall dramatically within one to two growing seasons. The effect would not be uniform: wealthy agricultural nations with domestic fertiliser capacity or large stockpiles (the United States, Canada, parts of Europe) would be more insulated. The developing world, particularly sub-Saharan Africa and South and Southeast Asia, would face acute shortages.

Food price inflation. Global food prices, already elevated by conflict-related supply disruptions in recent years, would surge further. The Food and Agriculture Organisation’s food price index would likely break historical records. Bread, rice, and staple grain prices would become unaffordable for hundreds of millions of people.


Urea Exposure: Country Risk Summary
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My (and others) assessment:

The longer this war drags on, the greater risk of global famine.
 
You are exaggerating the death of America and glorifying the bleats of a lamb ..may Allah bless you with more finesse to spin .

At no point have I said the "death of America", you have.

This is a strategic defeat for the USA in this war. No other way to dress up the failure while we see the USA struggle to formulate a policy, and goal of actual achievable political goals.
 
Two articles were from the Unz Review and were on topic. Another (wish it did not get deleted, was an excellent article on how the closing of the Persian Gulf will affect the economy in China).

Choke Point: The Global Economic Consequences of the Persian Gulf Shutdown

How the disruption of oil, liquefied natural gas, and urea exports will cascade through the world economy


Snippets:

United States. The US has achieved near-energy-independence through its shale oil and gas revolution. It is a net oil exporter and the world’s largest LNG exporter. It produces large quantities of domestic urea. A Gulf shutdown would raise global prices and affect US consumers, but the supply shock would not directly threaten US energy security. The US is best placed of all major economies.

And

Conclusion

The Persian Gulf is not merely an important trade route — it is a structural dependency baked into the global economy over seven decades. The simultaneous disruption of oil, LNG, and urea flows from the region constitute a polycrisis of exceptional severity: an energy shock, an industrial shock, and a food security crisis arriving together, reinforcing one another, and challenging the capacity of governments, international institutions, and markets to respond.

Decades of optimisation around cost efficiency — concentrating energy production, fertiliser manufacture, and shipping in the most economical locations — has created a system that is efficient in stable conditions but catastrophically fragile under stress. If Iran is able to sustain the closure of the Strait of Hormuz for a month or more, it will enjoy significant leverage in negotiations to end the blockade.
~

Watch the urea exports, and the countries most exposed:

Crop yield decline. Without adequate nitrogen fertiliser, yields of staple crops — wheat, rice, maize, soy — would fall dramatically within one to two growing seasons. The effect would not be uniform: wealthy agricultural nations with domestic fertiliser capacity or large stockpiles (the United States, Canada, parts of Europe) would be more insulated. The developing world, particularly sub-Saharan Africa and South and Southeast Asia, would face acute shortages.

Food price inflation. Global food prices, already elevated by conflict-related supply disruptions in recent years, would surge further. The Food and Agriculture Organisation’s food price index would likely break historical records. Bread, rice, and staple grain prices would become unaffordable for hundreds of millions of people.


Urea Exposure: Country Risk Summary
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My (and others) assessment:

The longer this war drags on, the greater risk of global famine.
I have never heard of The Unz Review until now. Looked up the owner and found that he is Ukrainian of Jewish descent. It is possible that which ever moderator deleted your post was aware of that and did so based on those grounds.

I do think discussion of the long term economic impacts is certainly important and it's not being discussed sufficiently IMO in the big thread.

I would however caution that any other postings be x-referenced against other sources.
 
Months I am afraid(imho). Trumps ego won't allow him to declare victory and do a TACO on this as he has no victory to shout about, and Iran wants to exact a price to ensure there is real deterrence the next time people have these ideas again.

As I often say, I guess we will have to wait and see.

I agree with you that it will not be in days or weeks, but likely months, and hence not quick.
 
At no point have I said the "death of America", you have.

This is a strategic defeat for the USA in this war. No other way to dress up the failure while we see the USA struggle to formulate a policy, and goal of actual achievable political goals.

It is not a success or defeat for either side just yet. It is premature to be judging that at this point in time. I would caution patience in judging the results too hastily for now.
 
It is not a success or defeat for either side just yet. It is premature to be judging that at this point in time. I would caution patience in judging the results too hastily for now.

This is the aggregate of what I have seen many analysts articulate about what both the USA and Israel planned for this operation (different goals by both parties) and the current score card. Anything you think has been missed off, or disagree with ?

- Regime change in Iran = fail
- Incite civil War in Iran = fail
- Balkanisation of Iran = fail ( so far ).
- Incite proxy terrorist groups like Kurds, MEK to create insurrection in Iran = fail
- Destruction of Iran's ballistic manufacturing = partial limited success..
- Destruction of Iran's nuclear programme = partial limited success ( i am generous to the UISA/Israel on this one).
- Capture and control Iran's oil = fail ( so far ).
 
This is the aggregate of what I have seen many analysts articulate about what both the USA and Israel planned for this operation (different goals by both parties) and the current score card. Anything you think has been missed off, or disagree with ?

The current score card is just that: current.

The war is not over yet, and the results will not be known until it is over. Any estimates before it is over are simply premature. That is all.
 

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