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[F-22Raptor]

The testimony is based on optimistic hopium assessment.

lets look into it deeply, prewar Irans ability to supply Hezbollah and Hamas was weakened considerably due to the Gaza genocide and Syria falling from Asad. There was no objective therefore to achieve with Op EF (Epsteins Failure)

Irans navy and airforce were no threat to its neighbours or Israel, no pre-war objective therefore to achieve.

The only objective mentioned there which has weight is to weaken Irans missle, drone, weapons production sites. Whats the exact wording used "damaged or destroyed" that's very unambiguous because 50% could be damaged infrastructure that may be quickly rebuilt. This is referring to what they believed to be known targets but they hit hundreds of hospitals and schools so how do we know whether they were included on their list. There is zero transparency.

The US military doesn't know for sure how many missile and drone production sites Iran has, so that 85% figure doesn't mean much in reality. You can say partial objective met but not more than that without corroborated evidence.

The main objective of the war was regime change and to secure the nuclear sites. Why otherwise did they kill an 80+ year old spiritual leader who had no military bearing. You say that allowed Iranians to rise up to remove the government, well that proves regime change was a goal. trump admitted to supplying arms so did the Israelis. Trump keeps bragging about regime change and news out today says they wanted to install ahmedinajad.

So big failure there.

Next, they couldn't protect the gulfies who got hit non-stop, Iran matched US escalation ladder forcing Trump to agree to a ceasefire, there were constant reports of Trump admin wanting a ceasefire and the Iranians rejecting it. Another failure.

Nuclear sites, Iran still controls the Uranium and there are rumours of other undisclosed sites so Irans Nuclear capability is not dealt with. Another failure.

Iran controls the SOH, no one can enter or exit without Irans permission, we saw how quickly trumps operation freedom or whatever he called it failed within 48hrs. This one a strategic blunder.

Russia is selling more oil than ever before even with waivers, Another strategic blunder.

Irans main currency for war were its missile bases, US could not take a single one out, massive military failure.

US and Israel are isolated around the world, not a single country wanted to join and help or to force open SOH, a big diplomatic failure.

You keep talking about the $300bn damages to Irans economy, yes US and Israel were out to destabilise Iran and committed war crimes destroying civilian infrastructure so no suprise with the financial damages but they have the largest gas and oil reserves in the world which can help them recover quickly.

Despite all that military pressure Iran stands, has setup a toll booth in SOH and geo-strategically became the most important country in the ME all because of your moronic leaders.

Any sane person can see clear as day what this war is, operation epstein failure at a grand scale.

I’m not going back and forth with someone that thinks ADM Cooper and Gen Caines assessments are based off “hopium” and the US hit “hundreds of schools and hospitals.”

My sources are top US commanders overseeing the operation. You have zero credibility and nothing to stand on other than your wrong opinions. You’re entitled to it, but still wrong nonetheless.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I’m not going back and forth with someone that thinks ADM Cooper and Gen Caines assessments are based off “hopium” and the US hit “hundreds of schools and hospitals.”

My sources are top US commanders overseeing the operation. You have zero credibility and nothing to stand on other than your wrong opinions. You’re entitled to it, but still wrong nonetheless.

Let's not delve into another member's credibility when you yourself spam repeatedly with Twitter reposts.

You are only seeing what is being reported publicly.

 

[lightning f57]

I’m not going back and forth with someone that thinks ADM Cooper and Gen Caines assessments are based off “hopium” and the US hit “hundreds of schools and hospitals.”

My sources are top US commanders overseeing the operation. You have zero credibility and nothing to stand on other than your wrong opinions. You’re entitled to it, but still wrong nonetheless.

I broke your source down even when I think its completely politically motivated and hopium and you failed to refute any of my points which are rational.

I dont care for my credibility when top political scientist are saying the US lost the war.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

I broke your source down even when I think its completely politically motivated and hopium and you failed to refute any of my points which are rational.

I dont care for my credibility when top political scientist are saying the US lost the war.

I agree with your point of view.

The standard for judging the outcome of a war should be whether the objectives were achieved.

1. Changing the Iranian regime. The United States and Israel conducted a surprise attack on Iranian leaders, killing many high-ranking officials. However, the current Iranian leadership is even more opposed to the United States.

2. Resolving the Iranian nuclear issue. This is the most ironic thing. In 2018, Trump unilaterally withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, making the situation uncontrollable. The United States did not achieve the goal of seizing nuclear materials during the war. Now the United States is continuously negotiating with Iran, hoping to reach an agreement on the Iranian nuclear issue.

3. Strait blockade. Before the war, the strait was not blocked. After the war, Iran blocked the strait, and the United States also blocked the strait. This war established two "toll stations" for the global economy. To this day, the United States has not cleared the passage through the Strait of Hormuz.

4. Economic blockade. The United States sanctioned Chinese companies because they conducted legitimate trade with Iran. China issued a blocking order, prohibiting all related companies and individuals from complying with U.S. sanctions. The U.S. has no jurisdiction or control over accounts Iran has set up in China. Does the United States have the ability to investigate Chinese banks and financial institutions? Does the United States have the ability to freeze Chinese accounts?

What objectives has the United States accomplished?

 

[F-22Raptor]

Let's not delve into another member's credibility when you yourself spam repeatedly with Twitter reposts.

You are only seeing what is being reported publicly.

I post relevant and updated information. That’s NOT spamming. It’s only spamming for you because it doesn’t fall in line with your views. You and another mod don’t hold the same standard of “spamming” for the posters in the 9,000+ page Iran thread with thousands of X posts.

 

[F-22Raptor]

I broke your source down even when I think its completely politically motivated and hopium and you failed to refute any of my points which are rational.

I dont care for my credibility when top political scientist are saying the US lost the war.

You broke nothing down and added nothing other than your false assumptions and deluded opinions. I’ve refuted them in other posts and another thread, and won’t repeat myself. I’ve added plenty of sources and directly from Central Command.

You cite anti American isolationists like Mearsheimer and his underling Bob Pape to support your confirmation bias. Not to mention Mearsheimer has been proven wrong over and over again on his Russia-Ukraine takes. They are hardly credible. Mearsheimer is so worthless even U of Chicago students wanted him fired.

Bottom line:

- The US has achieved it’s military objectives and that’s confirmed by Centcom
- Irans nuclear industrial base is largely destroyed and HEU buried at Isfahan.
- Irans military industrial base is razed and economy nearing failed state status. Iran is far weaker today relative to the US than prior to operation Midnight Hammer and Epic Fury
- The US now controls the Strait of Hormuz, the global energy market, and exporting energy at record highs
- Brent crude is hovering around $100 even after 3 months of Hormuz disruption and blockade. US stocks are at record highs with 10+ new record closings on the NASDAQ and S&P 500 since Feb 28.

The final and most important question: Is the United States strategic position relative to its primary adversaries stronger today than it was a year ago or 5 years ago? Yes, and unquestionably so.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I post relevant and updated information. That’s NOT spamming. It’s only spamming for you because it doesn’t fall in line with your views. You and another mod don’t hold the same standard of “spamming” for the posters in the 9,000+ page Iran thread with thousands of X posts.

In case you haven't noticed, that thread is in the Iranian section. I am just another poster in that thread.

You spam. You've been warned repeatedly about it including by I might add an administrator.

Your "relevant information" is that which fits only the view you want to believe in.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

You broke nothing down and added nothing other than your false assumptions and deluded opinions. I’ve refuted them in other posts and another thread, and won’t repeat myself. I’ve added plenty of sources and directly from Central Command.

You cite anti American isolationists like Mearsheimer and his underling Bob Pape to support your confirmation bias. Not to mention Mearsheimer has been proven wrong over and over again on his Russia-Ukraine takes. They are hardly credible. Mearsheimer is so worthless even U of Chicago students wanted him fired.

Bottom line:

- The US has achieved it’s military objectives and that’s confirmed by Centcom
- Irans nuclear industrial base is largely destroyed and HEU buried at Isfahan.
- Irans military industrial base is razed and economy nearing failed state status. Iran is far weaker today relative to the US than prior to operation Midnight Hammer and Epic Fury
- The US now controls the Strait of Hormuz, the global energy market, and exporting energy at record highs
- Brent crude is hovering around $100 even after 3 months of Hormuz disruption and blockade. US stocks are at record highs with 10+ new record closings on the NASDAQ and S&P 500 since Feb 28.

The final and most important question: Is the United States strategic position relative to its primary adversaries stronger today than it was a year ago or 5 years ago? Yes, and unquestionably so.

You've already mentioned a few times in the last several posts you weren't going to repeat yourself. Yet, here you are: repeating yourself.

 

[F-22Raptor]

In case you haven't noticed, that thread is in the Iranian section. I am just another poster in that thread.

You spam. You've been warned repeatedly about it including by I might add an administrator.

Your "relevant information" is that which fits only the view you want to believe in.

So you admit other posters are held to a different standard than I and forum rules are applied hypocritically. Good to know @Musings @RescueRanger @Waz

Nope, I don’t spam, you just don’t approve of my views therefore you use “spamming” as an excuse to silence or maintain control over my posts. Posting new or updated information is NOT spamming no matter how many times you try to convince yourself otherwise.

 

[lightning f57]

You broke nothing down and added nothing other than your false assumptions and deluded opinions. I’ve refuted them in other posts and another thread, and won’t repeat myself. I’ve added plenty of sources and directly from Central Command.

You cite anti American isolationists like Mearsheimer and his underling Bob Pape to support your confirmation bias. Not to mention Mearsheimer has been proven wrong over and over again on his Russia-Ukraine takes. They are hardly credible. Mearsheimer is so worthless even U of Chicago students wanted him fired.

Bottom line:

- The US has achieved it’s military objectives and that’s confirmed by Centcom
- Irans nuclear industrial base is largely destroyed and HEU buried at Isfahan.
- Irans military industrial base is razed and economy nearing failed state status. Iran is far weaker today relative to the US than prior to operation Midnight Hammer and Epic Fury
- The US now controls the Strait of Hormuz, the global energy market, and exporting energy at record highs
- Brent crude is hovering around $100 even after 3 months of Hormuz disruption and blockade. US stocks are at record highs with 10+ new record closings on the NASDAQ and S&P 500 since Feb 28.

The final and most important question: Is the United States strategic position relative to its primary adversaries stronger today than it was a year ago or 5 years ago? Yes, and unquestionably so.

Mate only deluded one is you, no one else is peddling your lies.

You can site your AI bloated stockmarket but US economy with rest of the world is heading to recession, all because you have morons running your country.

 

[lightning f57]

I agree with your point of view.

The standard for judging the outcome of a war should be whether the objectives were achieved.

1. Changing the Iranian regime. The United States and Israel conducted a surprise attack on Iranian leaders, killing many high-ranking officials. However, the current Iranian leadership is even more opposed to the United States.

2. Resolving the Iranian nuclear issue. This is the most ironic thing. In 2018, Trump unilaterally withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, making the situation uncontrollable. The United States did not achieve the goal of seizing nuclear materials during the war. Now the United States is continuously negotiating with Iran, hoping to reach an agreement on the Iranian nuclear issue.

3. Strait blockade. Before the war, the strait was not blocked. After the war, Iran blocked the strait, and the United States also blocked the strait. This war established two "toll stations" for the global economy. To this day, the United States has not cleared the passage through the Strait of Hormuz.

4. Economic blockade. The United States sanctioned Chinese companies because they conducted legitimate trade with Iran. China issued a blocking order, prohibiting all related companies and individuals from complying with U.S. sanctions. The U.S. has no jurisdiction or control over accounts Iran has set up in China. Does the United States have the ability to investigate Chinese banks and financial institutions? Does the United States have the ability to freeze Chinese accounts?

What objectives has the United States accomplished?

Thanks for pointing that out. No one doubts US is military superior to Iran by 100x, however objectives are important. Apart from degrading Irans industrial base which supports its missile, drone production nothing else was achieved. That objective was easiest to achieve given Iran has no airforce, limited air defences and they can't defend 1000's buildings no one can. However that 85% figure is grossly misleading and politically motivated to keep their moronic bosses happy.

I would argue that the US is facing negative consequences as a result, diplomatic isolation, unable to open SOH which will lead to gulfies curtailing their US investments, Iran has a new income a toll both which will allow them to earn billions evey year, Russia earning lots so sanctions have less effect, nuclear sites and materials still not secured, and all of this is allowing China to get stronger.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

So you admit other posters are held to a different standard than I and forum rules are applied hypocritically. Good to know @Musings @RescueRanger @Waz

Nope, I don’t spam, you just don’t approve of my views therefore you use “spamming” as an excuse to silence or maintain control over my posts. Posting new or updated information is NOT spamming no matter how many times you try to convince yourself otherwise.

I admitted to nothing. That is your interpretation. What I gave you was facts. I am not a mod in that section. How that mod manages it is his / their concern. Sorry that doesn't agree with your view.

Have you considered reflecting on why you've been thread banned from so many threads? Some of which are permanent? You might find your answer.

 

[lightning f57]

US hit “hundreds of schools and hospitals.”

Iranian schools, hospitals, landmarks hit

Defence department not investigating its warcrimes, US military chief says

US Israeli strikes damaged or destroyed 600 schools in Iran

Irans hospitals and schools in ruins

Former US offical criticises pentagon silence

Your military leaders who can't admit to their warcrimes can't be taken seriously

 

[F-22Raptor]

Air Force to purchase 39,000 missiles by FY-33​

The Air Force is on track to procure 39,000 munitions across the future years defense program, service Secretary Troy Meink said today, hinting at high missile procurement rates in upcoming budget cycles to bulk up the Air Force’s stores of weapons. “I think, by the end of the FYDP, it will -- I think total procurement is on the order of 39,000 weapon systems,” Meink said in response to questioning from Sen. Deb Fischer (R-NE) during a Senate Armed Services...

Air Force to purchase 39,000 missiles by FY-33 | InsideDefense.com

The Air Force is on track to procure 39,000 munitions across the future years defense program, service Secretary Troy Meink said today, hinting at high missile procurement rates in upcoming budget cycles to bulk up the Air Force’s stores of weapons.

insidedefense.com

 

[Musings]

So you admit other posters are held to a different standard than I and forum rules are applied hypocritically. Good to know @Musings @RescueRanger @Waz

Nope, I don’t spam, you just don’t approve of my views therefore you use “spamming” as an excuse to silence or maintain control over my posts. Posting new or updated information is NOT spamming no matter how many times you try to convince yourself otherwise.

Fully agree with the moderator and numerous members. You do spam - so when you post a preemptive opinion is made.
Stop spamming and dont say you dont spam because thats what a spammer would say.
Just post respectfully and not like a broken record.
Now accept what ive said and move on.