US Defence related thread

[F-22Raptor]

yeah if u keep changing them they will be met

hormuz closed
regime stil alive
missiles still a threat
uranium still in iran

- Hormuz is controlled by the US
- Regime change was never a priority and the US military was never tasked with such an operation
- See my above post
- See above post

 

[F-22Raptor]

Err what exactly is included in ‘all’?? Regime change, err no. No missile threat, no again. No nuclear, sorry no again. They did however cause a lot of damage and kill many Iranian’s including many kids, but was that on the military objectives list?

See my above posts

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Now in some people's narritive they will say USA lost the war because they lost planes

Who won this campaign
USA Israel due to huge infrastructure damage
Or
Iran because of USA aircraft losses

War is never measured by who dropped more bombs. Result of the war is measured by political objectives set by the aggressor. For defenders to win the war is to survive and keep fighting. The regime is still intact. Still IRGC is in control and Iran kept hitting at US assets and Israel. If war to end today without any deal then US can never claim that they won. It will be obvious Iran's victory. But if a deal is made then all depends what are the terms of the deal. Those terms will decide who won and who lost.

 

[F-22Raptor]

That's the whole point. If aggressor fails the core political / strategic objectives against which it waged the war then by all definition that war is recorded as lost in history. You can look up any definition and verify.

Same happened in Vietnam. US killed more vietnamese, maybe in millions but because US failed to achieve its objectives that war will always be remembered as war LOST.

Core military objectives, of which were the primary reason for the war have been met.

 

[F-22Raptor]

War is never measured by who dropped more bombs. Result of the war is measured by political objectives set by the aggressor. For defenders to win the war is to survive and keep fighting. The regime is still intact. Still IRGC is in control and Iran kept hitting at US assets and Israel. If war to end today without any deal then US can never claim that they won. It will be obvious Iran's victory. But if a deal is made then all depends what are the terms of the deal. Those terms will decide who won and who lost.

For the umpteenth time, regime change was never a primary objective of the war. It was so secondary Trump left it last on his list of goals in his opening Feb 28 statement and said that was up to Iranians themselves to achieve. The US military was never tasked to overthrow the Iranian regime.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Core military objectives, of which were the primary reason for the war have been met.

Not met. Its a goal post shifting by trump by usual rant of "their navy is finished, their airforce is finished ....." Iran's navy and airforce were never a threat to begin with. Iran never paid any attention to its navy or airforce. They never invested in those. It was always their missile & drone program. Now only way to ensure that Iran's missile / drone capability is gone would be possible if Iran would have gone silent (not attacking at US assets or Israel or region) in last days of wars. But guess what, Iran was firing missiles all over the place till the very last day.

and lastly, if Iran's offensive capability really gone then why US even needs to make a deal OR stay away from strait of hormuz. Iran is coming at negotiating table with heavy set of terms and conditions. This all shows that US objectives military, political / strategic none accomplished.

Don't tell me nuclear was the military target. It was already done and dusted last year. This year war was all about missile / drone and regime change. ALL failed.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Not met. Its a goal post shifting by trump by usual rant of "their navy is finished, their airforce is finished ....." Iran's navy and airforce were never a threat to begin with. Iran never paid any attention to its navy or airforce. They never invested in those. It was always their missile & drone program. Now only way to ensure that Iran's missile / drone capability is gone would be possible if Iran would have gone silent (not attacking at US assets or Israel or region) in last days of wars. But guess what, Iran was firing missiles all over the place till the very last day.

and lastly, if Iran's offensive capability really gone then why US even needs to make a deal OR stay away from strait of hormuz. Iran is coming at negotiating table with heavy set of terms and conditions. This all shows that US objectives military, political / strategic none accomplished.

Don't tell me nuclear was the military target. It was already done and dusted last year. This year war was all about missile / drone and regime change. ALL failed.

Once again, ALL military objectives have been met and that’s been confirmed by Centcom commander ADM Cooper.

Primary goals: No nuclear weapon for Iran, no ability to shield a nuclear program with enormous stocks of drones and ballistic missiles, significantly degraded ability to project power outside of Iran through its proxy forces

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Once again, ALL military objectives have been met and that’s been confirmed by Centcom commander ADM Cooper.

Primary goals: No nuclear weapon for Iran, no ability to shield a nuclear program with enormous stocks of drones and ballistic missiles, significantly degraded ability to project power outside of Iran through its proxy forces

Whatever Adm Cooper says is equivalent to horseshit for a neutral person or rest of the world. Why on earth, the world will believe on anything that Adm Cooper has to say? if so then we can all quote what Iranian commanders have to say too and say its "verified" because commander of Iranian forces said so.

The results speaks for themselves. World has witnessed, that Iran was able to launch wide scale attacks till the very last day of war (38th day).

The nuclear thing was already done and dusted last year. This year war was all about missiles + regime change (I include regime change, not only because of Trump's narrative but also because of US / Israel actions: Targeting police stations, leaders, so a new regime may take place of existing one).

 

[hasssanali8998]

Hormuz is controlled by the US

so open it then
what are u waiting for

 

[lightning f57]

so open it then
what are u waiting for

Trumps waiting on Iran to open it.

Wars been a strategic defeat for the US as things stand.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Whatever Adm Cooper says is equivalent to horseshit for a neutral person or rest of the world. Why on earth, the world will believe on anything that Adm Cooper has to say? if so then we can all quote what Iranian commanders have to say too and say its "verified" because commander of Iranian forces said so.

The results speaks for themselves. World has witnessed, that Iran was able to launch wide scale attacks till the very last day of war (38th day).

The nuclear thing was already done and dusted last year. This year war was all about missiles + regime change (I include regime change, not only because of Trump's narrative but also because of US / Israel actions: Targeting police stations, leaders, so a new regime may take place of existing one).

The results? Irans own regime estimate direct losses at $300B+ or 80% of its prewar GDP. The US were conducting stand in bomber strikes at will. Irans ballistic missile fire had dropped to the teens per day. Its military industrial base destroyed.

ADM Cooper and Gen Caine are 100% accurate. These are highly professional commanders who are extremely competent at their jobs leading the most capable military in human history. Don’t ever compare them with IRGC lunatics.

 

[F-22Raptor]

so open it then
what are u waiting for

Vessels have been sailing through the Strait at low volumes. Iran is conducting terror attacks on shipping that has zero to do with the conflict. Therefore Iran is blockaded and can’t import/export oil or goods. USN controls the shipping in and out of the Strait. It’s Irans economy on the verge of collapse, not ours.

 

[baqai]

Now in some people's narritive they will say USA lost the war because they lost planes

Who won this campaign
USA Israel due to huge infrastructure damage
Or
Iran because of USA aircraft losses

what a burn post, are you trying to hint at something which previously was denied? eh?

 

[东风夜放花千树]

What an utterly idiotic logic. Off topic but You really are still in desperate cope mode after last year’s humiliation. You described the humiliation of 2019 as a ‘bad day at the office’. I guess another much much worse day at the office in 2025 has damaged you permanently.

This Indian tried to make everyone believe that losing a plane does not mean losing the war. Then he denied Pakistan's victory and India's shameful defeat.

I suggest this Indian be more straightforward.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Trumps waiting on Iran to open it.

Wars been a strategic defeat for the US as things stand.

The US is not the country being blockaded , economy near total collapse, and military industrial base razed.

The US lost nothing. Military objectives were met, it gained control over the global energy market, oil exports are now at record highs, stocks are higher than at the start of the war, and growth is strong. Meanwhile Iran is nearing failed state status.