US Defence related thread

[F-22Raptor]

I mean the USA lost some planes in war. In real world terms it barely makes a dent in the USA arsenal

LOL at some people actually thinking USA was losing the war because of some planes.

USA just didn't achieve any strategic objectives

Iran won this war due to the US and Israel failing to achieve any of their stated objectives. The loss of expensive hardware and hard-won image is cherry on top.

-US military objectives were achieved and that’s been confirmed by Centcom commander ADM Cooper
- Regime change was never a priority. Trump stating that was up to the Iranian people on Feb 28 should tell you as much
- Irans nuclear industrial base is mostly destroyed and HEU buried at Isfahan
- The US now controls the Strait of Hormuz which in turn has lead to record high US oil exports. That’s a strategic W alone

As for aircraft losses, it’s minimal and even less than the Gulf War.

 

[Waz]

Now in some people's narritive they will say USA lost the war because they lost planes

Who won this campaign
USA Israel due to huge infrastructure damage
Or
Iran because of USA aircraft losses

"Saar we lost a few planes but causing massive damaging"



Dude it's not comparable. The US didn't see multiple formations attacked and a good number of planes going down, rendering their air force obsolete for the duration of the conflict.
They 're hardly relying on LACM's either.

 

[TAC]

Now in some people's narritive they will say USA lost the war because they lost planes

Who won this campaign
USA Israel due to huge infrastructure damage
Or
Iran because of USA aircraft losses

What an utterly idiotic logic. Off topic but You really are still in desperate cope mode after last year’s humiliation. You described the humiliation of 2019 as a ‘bad day at the office’. I guess another much much worse day at the office in 2025 has damaged you permanently.

 

[delta2]

No, it all depends on how much pain the Iranians can tolerate to push the oil prices as high as they can. Once the oil price hits around $10 to $11 per gallon the American public will revolt and a civil war may erupt. Once the oil price hits $15/gallon in the USA, every major US city will see their own versions of Luigi Mangione.

Which is when the US will drop nukes on Iran. But then the oil prices may reach higher than anyone could afford to pay, which will result in an all out rebellion in the USA and the overthrow of the current ruling class. That is when the USA will lose the war.

 

[Starlord]

Bharti Idiot, US didn't lost aircraft in A2A combats, unlike your pathetic Air force, who after suffered losses were grounded for 48 hours, US sorties over Iran were mostly safe, and given the high numbers of the sorties and missions they conducted its laughable to related with Indian Air force pathetic performance.

 

[White Privilege]

-US military objectives were achieved and that’s been confirmed by Centcom commander ADM Cooper
- Regime change was never a priority. Trump stating that was up to the Iranian people on Feb 28 should tell you as much
- Irans nuclear industrial base is mostly destroyed and HEU buried at Isfahan
- The US now controls the Strait of Hormuz which in turn has lead to record high US oil exports. That’s a strategic W alone

As for aircraft losses, it’s minimal and even less than the Gulf War.

I still don't understand why Iran didn't go all out to make a nuclear bomb when it could. It kept on leveraging the threat to make one and now it can't even do that.

 

[Ali_Baba]

More than 40 US aircraft lost during Iran air campaign combat: report - FlightGlobal

The tally includes 24 MQ-9A Reaper drones, seven KC-135 tankers and several fighter types. The US military lost or suffered significant damage to 42 aircraft during the aerial bombing campaign against Iran, which is currently in a tenuous ceasefire. Since Operation Epic Fury began in late...

www.flightglobal.com

That's a lot of Aircraft down considering they are USA only
Nothing about Israeli losses

The USA losses are tiny, relative to the damage they have caused as indicated by Iran at $250billion for civilian losses alone.

 

[lightning f57]

Now in some people's narritive they will say USA lost the war because they lost planes

Who won this campaign
USA Israel due to huge infrastructure damage
Or
Iran because of USA aircraft losses

Wars are not based on losses they are based on objectives.

US achieved no objectives baring making Iranian people hardship worse.

Irans objectives were to survive, maintain territorial integrity, its ability to launch missiles across the region, control of SOH, and the revolutionary setup still ruling the country. Oh and to maintain some sort of nuclear capability/materials.

So you work out, as things stand today who "won"

 

[Corax]

Now in some people's narritive they will say USA lost the war because they lost planes

Who won this campaign
USA Israel due to huge infrastructure damage
Or
Iran because of USA aircraft losses

By that logic, the US won in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan too.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Iran won this war due to the US and Israel failing to achieve any of their stated objectives. The loss of expensive hardware and hard-won image is cherry on top.

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ADM Cooper at 1:36:55- “All military objectives were met”

 

[Corax]

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ADM Cooper at 1:36:55- “All military objectives were met”

That doesn't necessarily translate into strategic objectives. You yanks still haven't learnt anything.

 

[hasssanali8998]

“All military objectives were met”

yeah if u keep changing them they will be met

hormuz closed
regime stil alive
missiles still a threat
uranium still in iran

 

[TAC]

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ADM Cooper at 1:36:55- “All military objectives were met”

Err what exactly is included in ‘all’?? Regime change, err no. No missile threat, no again. No nuclear, sorry no again. They did however cause a lot of damage and kill many Iranian’s including many kids, but was that on the military objectives list?

 

[Pak-Warrior]

USA just didn't achieve any strategic objectives

That's the whole point. If aggressor fails the core political / strategic objectives against which it waged the war then by all definition that war is recorded as lost in history. You can look up any definition and verify.

Same happened in Vietnam. US killed more vietnamese, maybe in millions but because US failed to achieve its objectives that war will always be remembered as war LOST.

 

[F-22Raptor]

That doesn't necessarily translate into strategic objectives. You yanks still haven't learnt anything.

The primary objectives of the war are to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and destroying their ability to shield such a program with enormous stocks of drones and ballistic missiles.

1. Irans nuclear industrial base is largely destroyed and HEU is buried at Isfahan. Negotiations on enrichment and HEU extraction are ongoing

2. 90% of Irans defense industrial base is destroyed. Its ballistic missile stocks is roughly halved after 38 days of combat. 60% of Irans drone stocks expended or destroyed. Irans ability to shield a nuclear weapons program is now destroyed. That was a key objective that’s been met and will take Iran many years to reconstitute.

3. The US sunk 161 Iranian naval ships and will take a generation to reconstitute

4.Irans ability to project power in the region is significantly degraded. Its ability to resupply its proxies is effectively over.

5. Naval blockade of Iran has shifted global energy control to the US