US imposes sanctions on suppliers to Pakistan’s ballistic missile programme

[Falcon26]

Oh bhai, irani’s using composite components for the last two decades!

We just got these filament winding machines recently from China.

How do you think their small Fateh series can travel 1000 Km’s?

Their SLV’s are all composite innards too.

Iran is more advanced than Pakistan when it comes to missile technology. But both countries are really garbage. We saw how comically thousands of Iranian missile were shot down by Israel and the US earlier this year. Pakistan is a notch lower than Iran. Both countries missile programs trace their ancestry to the North Korean Nadong missile class which traces its origin to the Soviet Scuds. A long history of being ABM system victim.

 

[r3alist]

When everyone says Iran is far ahead of Pakistan in missile technology..... In what sense

Is it a case of they have directed limited resources to missiles over all else and Pak could catch up if they did the same


Or have they genuinely unlocked some advancement that no one else has?I find that hard to believe


Pak has the same resource constraints does it not but it needs to get spread over the pn paf pa

 

[Lulldapull]

Iran is more advanced than Pakistan when it comes to missile technology. But both countries are really garbage. We saw how comically thousands of Iranian missile were shot down by Israel and the US earlier this year. Pakistan is a notch lower than Iran. Both countries missile programs trace their ancestry to the North Korean Nadong missile class which traces its origin to the Soviet Scuds. A long history of being ABM system victim.

Oh bhai, don't believe western propaganda. 9 hits by their Qadr/ Emad series missiles were clearly shown by Palestinians recording on their cell phones and dozens of cruise missiles and drones also made it thru. There's much more footage released later on with direct hits. All you saw was footage released by CNN/ BBC/ AFP of interceptions with a convenient slogan, '99% of all missiles/ drones were shot down'.......

It was the same story in Afghanistan......50 taliban killed today'.......'100 taliban killed yesterday'.......'1000 killed last month'..........'100k killed until now'.

Sub jhoott!

As for our missile program, its all Chinese missiles, which are untested as yet, but that don't mean they're junk......the real drama is that we have a small stockpile, whereas the Iranis probably are lumber 2 after China in sheer numbers, on this planet.

Iran's entire war doctrine is missile/ drone based, because they know that air force is not goin cut the mustard.

 

[hussain0216]

Iran is more advanced than Pakistan when it comes to missile technology. But both countries are really garbage. We saw how comically thousands of Iranian missile were shot down by Israel and the US earlier this year. Pakistan is a notch lower than Iran. Both countries missile programs trace their ancestry to the North Korean Nadong missile class which traces its origin to the Soviet Scuds. A long history of being ABM system victim.

Iran sent hundreds of drones and a few missiles, the missiles that were meant to get through, got through

The rest that were diversions, it took multiple states and hundreds of planes to try and protect Israel

Do you think war is a one shot game?

If iran fired another round of missiles and drones not long after the first or really wanted to overwhelm Israeli defences they couldn't?????


Pakistan has multiple missiles now
Sub launched,
Cruise missiles, land based, air launched, sea launched
MIRV capable missiles
Maneuverable ballistic missiles

With more being developed, causing the U.S enough ass burn to try to slow Pakistan down

What exactly do you clowns want?

 

[r3alist]

Oh bhai, don't believe western propaganda. 9 hits by their Qadr/ Emad series missiles were clearly shown by Palestinians recording on their cell phones and dozens of cruise missiles and drones also made it thru. There's much more footage released later on with direct hits. All you saw was footage released by CNN/ BBC/ AFP of interceptions with a convenient slogan, '99% of all missiles/ drones were shot down'.......

It was the same story in Afghanistan......50 taliban killed today'.......'100 taliban killed yesterday'.......'1000 killed last month'..........'100k killed until now'.

Sub jhoott!

As for our missile program, its all Chinese missiles, which are untested as yet, but that don't mean they're junk......the real drama is that we have a small stockpile, whereas the Iranis probably are lumber 2 after China in sheer numbers, on this planet.

Iran's entire war doctrine is missile/ drone based, because they know that air force is not goin cut the mustard.

Your last paragraph exactly, they dedicate a way bigger proportion to missiles

Pak has to consider all conventional aspects such as pa paf

Therefore how advanced is Iran, volume aside what do they have that would be a challenge for Pakistan?

 

[Lulldapull]

Your last paragraph exactly, they dedicate a way bigger proportion to missiles

Pak has to consider all conventional aspects such as pa paf

Therefore how advanced is Iran, volume aside what do they have that would be a challenge for Pakistan?

My assessment is the resources/ R&D/ budget they are allocating toward these new technologies is probably a generation ahead of us. Their $15 billion defense budget probably half of it is being used to design and build these new technologies. Yaar they know that an F-14 or Su-35 has near zero likelihood of getting thru GCC defenses, let alone the Aeigis, THAAD, David Sling, Iron Dome or the Arrow systems, not to mention the Israeli AF.

Iran figured this out a generation ago and took the bold step of coming up with a solution.......They're fighting the worlds premiere high tech powers while we are stuck fighting jahil ass afghani dalits.

They're far ahead of us bro.

When they dismantle Israel, is when everybody will acknowledge this truth.

Aik he jhattkay main 1500 Israeli marva dena, and get away with it is not a joke......lol. Israel got half the western powers defending it, or else another bigger oct 7th, and Israel will crumble.

Aaap kar saktay ho ye?

 

[r3alist]

My assessment is the resources/ R&D/ budget they are allocating toward these new technologies is probably a generation ahead of us. Their $15 billion defense budget probably half of it is being used to design and build these new technologies. Yaar they know that an F-14 or Su-35 has near zero likelihood of getting thru GCC defenses, let alone the Aeigis, THAAD, David Sling, Iron Dome or the Arrow systems, not to mention the Israeli AF.

Iran figured this out a generation ago and took the bold step of coming up with a solution.......They're fighting the worlds premiere high tech powers while we are stuck fighting jahil ass afghani dalits.

They're far ahead of us bro.

When they dismantle Israel, is when everybody will acknowledge this truth.

Aik he jhattkay main 1500 Israeli marva dena, and get away with it is not a joke......lol. Israel got half the western powers defending it, or else another bigger oct 7th, and Israel will crumble.

Aaap kar saktay ho ye?

Umm just help me understand

When you say far ahead, you mean far ahead in missiles which they have been compelled to dedicate more resources to, not a generic far ahead right


Isn't Pakistan actually far ahead in aggregate military capability if you look across the navy and air force

It seems weird to say that Iran is far ahead when they do not even attempt to have a conventional military

It looks to me Pakistan is a much stronger and mature overall conventional military

I am talking conventional military

 

[LeGenD]

Iran sent hundreds of drones and a few missiles, the missiles that were meant to get through, got through

The rest that were diversions, it took multiple states and hundreds of planes to try and protect Israel

Do you think war is a one shot game?

If iran fired another round of missiles and drones not long after the first or really wanted to overwhelm Israeli defences they couldn't?????


Pakistan has multiple missiles now
Sub launched,
Cruise missiles, land based, air launched, sea launched
MIRV capable missiles
Maneuverable ballistic missiles

With more being developed, causing the U.S enough ass burn to try to slow Pakistan down

What exactly do you clowns want?

Well, the US blunted much of that mass attack and Israel ignores less threatening projectiles so we don't know which missile could be most impactful. It is an excellent case study though.

Also, people make claims all the time but a mass attack like that require planning and preparations in advance and might not be easy to repeat in short intervals. The US also prevented Israeli retaliation to reduce regional tensions.

 

[Lulldapull]

Umm just help me understand

When you say far ahead, you mean far ahead in missiles which they have been compelled to dedicate more resources to, not a generic far ahead right


Isn't Pakistan actually far ahead in aggregate military capability if you look across the navy and air force

It seems weird to say that Iran is far ahead when they do not even attempt to have a conventional military

It looks to me Pakistan is a much stronger and mature overall conventional military

I am talking conventional military

Yaar how did the very well western supplied Ukrainian military fare against the mighty conventional Russian military? In less than a year they had both ground each other down to nothing! These sort of WW2 style conventional military's are totally obsolete now.

All the western AF jets have been reduced to launching Scalps, to save their own scalps. At best the RuAF struggling to use glide bombs. Ru Navy is in a deplorable shape due to the Uki use of Neptunes and naval drones. Hardly comes outta port. Ru armor has gone thru a blood bath. Uki fortunes have been even worse than Ru fortunes.

In the end the Russians approached Iran for drones and now missiles, cuz the failure of their conventional forces. They are not cutting it.

In the middle east the IDF can't even beat Hamas, let alone Hezbollah.

People around the world have taken notice.

 

[r3alist]

Yaar how did the very well western supplied Ukrainian military fare against the mighty conventional Russian military? In less than a year they had both ground each other down to nothing! These sort of WW2 style conventional military's are totally obsolete now.

All the western AF jets have been reduced to launching Scalps, to save their own scalps. At best the RuAF struggling to use glide bombs. Ru Navy is in a deplorable shape due to the Uki use of Neptunes and naval drones. Hardly comes outta port. Ru armor has gone thru a blood bath. Uki fortunes have been even worse than Ru fortunes.

In the end the Russians approached Iran for drones and now missiles, cuz the failure of their conventional forces. They are not cutting it.

In the middle east the IDF can't even beat Hamas, let alone Hezbollah.

People around the world have taken notice.

I am only discussing Pak army Vs Iranian army and whether we can say Iran is far much ahead and advanced, you respond talking about two separate armies and countries

Ok so Pakistan is actually much better conventionally established



Btw the gazan people are very much in a defeated position as things are, tragically so

Therefore hamas are a nothing if they cannot provide results

When you praise hamas as withstanding the IDF it's an absurd dichotomy, they were the pretext for a greater Israel which you are feeding

Iran have sacrificed Gaza as a pawn as much as anyone

 

[Lulldapull]

I am only discussing Pak army Vs Iranian army and whether we can say Iran is far much ahead and advanced, you respond talking about two separate armies and countries

Ok so Pakistan is actually much better conventionally established



Btw the gazan people are very much in a defeated position as things are, tragically so

Therefore hamas are a nothing if they cannot provide results

When you praise hamas as withstanding the IDF it's an absurd dichotomy, they were the pretext for a greater Israel which you are feeding

Iran have sacrificed Gaza as a pawn as much as anyone

I discussed Ru/ Uki war cuz its a conflict where conventional weapons got demolished in numbers not seen since WW2. The deciding factor in this modern day conflict has been the widespread use of drones and missiles on a scale never seen before.

What we have in our pak military has no chance on the modern battlefield bhai. That is exactly why Iran is far ahead of us. They got the goods, the doctrine and experience and they got them in huge numbers!

We have none of the above.

 

[r3alist]

I discussed Ru/ Uki war cuz its a conflict where conventional weapons got demolished in numbers not seen since WW2. The deciding factor in this modern day conflict has been the widespread use of drones and missiles on a scale never seen before.

What we have in our pak military has no chance on the modern battlefield bhai. That is exactly why Iran is far ahead of us. They got the goods, the doctrine and experience and they got them in huge numbers!

We have none of the above.

Dude, please let me help you in this

The ru uki war didn't start with only missiles and drones did it

Can you successfully win a conflict only with missiles and drones

What about air superiority ?

These questions all have their context depending on aims and so many factors

But I agree wth you that Iran is plausibly ahead of Pak in effective drone usage strategies because they have had to be good at it and they have had decades to think about it

Though in net aggregate military capability, which is what Pak needs to counter India, they are more mature and advanced than Iran

 

[Anza]

The bigger shaitan is not happy with his little shaitan.

 

[r3alist]

What we have in our pak military has no chance on the modern battlefield bhai. That is exactly why Iran is far ahead of us. They got the goods, the doctrine and experience and they got them in huge numbers!

On this specific point, others can educate much much better, but Iran is doing nothing remotely cutting edge, all this ai full spectrum automated warfare etc

We are confusing here effective with advanced, the two can be mutually exclusive

A cheap sueycyde drone approach to satuate air defence plus some better missiles is an appropriate strategy to deal with hugely asymmetric adversaries

Irans other big strength is running militia groups all over the me, effective but not advanced

 

[LeGenD]

Yaar how did the very well western supplied Ukrainian military fare against the mighty conventional Russian military? In less than a year they had both ground each other down to nothing! These sort of WW2 style conventional military's are totally obsolete now.

All the western AF jets have been reduced to launching Scalps, to save their own scalps. At best the RuAF struggling to use glide bombs. Ru Navy is in a deplorable shape due to the Uki use of Neptunes and naval drones. Hardly comes outta port. Ru armor has gone thru a blood bath. Uki fortunes have been even worse than Ru fortunes.

In the end the Russians approached Iran for drones and now missiles, cuz the failure of their conventional forces. They are not cutting it.

In the middle east the IDF can't even beat Hamas, let alone Hezbollah.

People around the world have taken notice.

Mate, let's be honest. IDF has destroyed much of Gaza and Hamas infrastructure but there is international pressure to stop this conflict and bring both sides to the negotiation table. While Hamas put up a significant fight that can be applauded, it was at a great cost to Gaza and its inhabitants and some areas in West Bank even though Houthi and Hezbollah attacked Israel in the process. The stories that I read are shocking and sad at the same time. IDF have also demonstrated the capacity to conduct complex military operations in Syria and have struck targets with great precision as far as in Yemen and Iran. But there are international efforts to prevent a wider war in the region. So let's not assume that others cannot fight coz we have limited showings ourselves besides shouting in forums lol. My point is that IDF is a professional and capable force that can produce results in war irrespective of how it is perceived in some quarters.

The war in Ukraine shows how bad it can get in a war between regional powers. Many countries do not have the capacity to fight like Ukraine and Russia as both sides have shown remarkable levels of resolve thus far.