US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

One fundamental difference is that Iran is not Venezuela or North Korea. Their dynastic system is ancient and entrenched. Infact it is one of the most durable dynastic political systems in recent history. They literally have a system to identify a leader loyal to their ideology to the nth degree. Maduro ended at Maduro (with all due respect to their country).

It is politically unwise to go into such a country claiming regime change as the target. The people running the regime at the start of the war are dead. But the regime itself will continue to endure likely for a long long time to come with changing faces. Both sides will shift goalposts ( US claiming regime change because leadership was executed vs Iran claiming sustained regime power due to same dynastt in powe, but the same IDEOLOGY continues to make decisions for the country.

If the real purpose was protecting Israel the objective also seems to have done poorly.

If the real purpose was expanding land under control of Israel and creating chaos, instability and animosity amongst the regional muslims countries it seems to be a resounding success.
 
I thought this was from the American perspective?
I know right. The OP should have started with a US perspective, but just like you we are all really struggling to get it. Have we already won the war but just not won enough? Are we looking for wmds again, or a regime change, or missile factories, or all of the above, or none of the above, or just oil (as our president recently said). Sadly, no one knows yet.
 
The American perspective is, we are F'ed. Unless the new guy in Iran caves, we are going to be forced into another Middle Eastern ground war, and that's the US perspective.

Think about it like this, even if Trump said "we had enough, and we are going home," stop all attacks, did nothing, washing his hands over this, what do you think will happen?

What will happen is that he made Iran know, from now on, anytime the US or Israel stop Iranian interest, they can just use the "scarface" strategy and say "It would be ashame if one of those ship got attacked" they don't need to physically attack them, they don't even need a solid plan that any attack would be successful, that alone will stop shipping from transiting. And if you are the US, what would you think when Iran said we are going to restart the nuclear program sometime down the road? Well, you bomb them again, and they do this again, and certainly at one stage, it may not be the next time, or the time after next time, that you realise as long as Iran was there, the strait is ALWASY going to be open to attack, which mean the only option is a ground operation, then you say to yourself, why not do it now when we had already taken out 85% of Iranian defence?
What are the costs of a ground operation, and once you have the coast, does that mean US has to hold it/ guard it to keep the strait open? Thats like another forever war then. And lets say we do hold it, does that stop Iran from building nukes? Or attacking the troops on coast instead of the ships on hormuz? Is the end game a negotiation, then why not negotiate now (Iran had even offered a better deal then Obama but the idiot nepotistic lead negotiators couldn’t even understand it or were not sincere from beginng)? Or we need total capitulation and installing Reza Pehalvi, while No Kings protests are being held in US itself - what a cluster f.
 
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My perspective. Folks here in the US who are foreign policy hawks and don't really care about which party is in power (that's not me) are feeling very good how the war is going. Yes this war so far is more successful than Desert Storm and 2003 war (not talking about occupation/rebuilding) when it comes to military operations. Those folks see the high gas prices and slowing of economy due to war and consequences as a temporary discomfort. Now those who are republican and MAGA are right now very nervous how this is going to affect the mid-term elections due to gas prices and economic slowdown but in the military operations they are feeling well BUT it is taking a bit longer for their comfort.

I didn't vote for Orangeman but agreed with his no new war policy, border, immigration, economic and tariff policy. 2026 was supposed to be an economic boom because of the bill they passed... that's pretty much over. Could Orangeman have waited after elections absolutely but for some reason he decided early 2026 was the year of foreign policy hawking.

My opinion.
Now why did he attack Iran again after hitting the nuke facilities last year.... because the strike wasn't as successful as they claimed. It was a fail. So when protest in Iran broke out he used the crackdown of Iranians as an excuse to hit Iran again but this time he wanted a defanging strike and they have been very successful at that but it will very likely cost his political party and maybe even his presidency depending if dems win both houses and successfully impeach him that is if dems think JD Vance is a better replacement which he is not in fact I think he is worse for dems and likely seek retribution on dems through DOJ.
 
The pandora box here is that if the Iranian regime is not removed or severely reformed - they will try to race towards acquiring nuclear weapons. Which was the main reason for attacking them in the first place. Therefore the US and Israel either decisively defeat and degrade the current regime or they risk repeating this type of operation every 6-12 months for the foreseeable future. That is likely much more costly than going "all in" right now.

The military and industrial base of Iran is getting severely degraded and if this continues for many more weeks their "resistance" (which amounts to sending drones and a few ballistic missiles daily nowadays) will likely crumble further.

However not sure if you can force a regime change due to that. Unlikely. In fact a quicker way to do that, other than a land invasion, would be to destroy their oil and gas infrastructure (make the regime bankrupt) while at the same time disrupt any rebuilding attempts. This somewhat controversial tactic would no doubt remove the regime eventually.

The problem is that the regional oil and gas infrastructure would be at risk of damage/destruction but as I wrote, unlike Iran, KSA/GCC (7 trillion USD in sovereign wealth funds alone - 10-15 times larger economies, no sanctions and open economic relations with the entire world) can rebuild the oil and gas infrastructure rather quickly.

However none of the above would prevent a global financial crisis.

So as I see it there are 3 short-term steps that the US can take.

1) Continue the current bombing raids to further degrade Iran's military (their offensive power is limited to drones and a few ballistic missiles launched on a daily basis), industrial base (already occurring) and economy which is already in shatters.

2) Escalate further if talks do not reach the desired effect by destroying their oil and gas infrastructure and basically destroy the main livelihood of the regime.

3) Or launch a land invasion of southern parts of Iran in order to control the Strait of Hormuz, their oil and gas installations and use this fact in the negotiation for the regime's surrender in some form or another.

Not sure if there are ofter realistic possibilities?

My perspective. Folks here in the US who are foreign policy hawks and don't really care about which party is in power (that's not me) are feeling very good how the war is going. Yes this war so far is more successful than Desert Storm and 2003 war (not talking about occupation/rebuilding) when it comes to military operations. Those folks see the high gas prices and slowing of economy due to war and consequences as a temporary discomfort. Now those who are republican and MAGA are right now very nervous how this is going to affect the mid-term elections due to gas prices and economic slowdown but in the military operations they are feeling well BUT it is taking a bit longer for their comfort.

I didn't vote for Orangeman but agreed with his no new war policy, border, immigration, economic and tariff policy. 2026 was supposed to be an economic boom because of the bill they passed... that's pretty much over. Could Orangeman have waited after elections absolutely but for some reason he decided early 2026 was the year of foreign policy hawking.

My opinion.
Now why did he attack Iran again after hitting the nuke facilities last year.... because the strike wasn't as successful as they claimed. It was a fail. So when protest in Iran broke out he used the crackdown of Iranians as an excuse to hit Iran again but this time he wanted a defanging strike and they have been very successful at that but it will very likely cost his political party and maybe even his presidency depending if dems win both houses and successfully impeach him that is if dems think JD Vance is a better replacement which he is not in fact I think he is worse for dems and likely seek retribution on dems through DOJ.
The strikes on their nuclear facilities in June 2025 were never going to "remove the nuclear threat". It was always a temporary destruction of facilities. The local knowledge, scientists (who have shared their knowledge with fellow professors and students alike) and other nuclear-related infrastructure remained intact. As did the enriched uranium which we do not know the status of. Was it removed before the attack or is it buried deep in the mountain debris and unlikely to be recovered?

This whole thing should have been dealt with decades ago when Iran had nothing - not even missiles let alone drones. Somehow the US did nothing and was more bothered about Iraq (1991 and 2003), Libya, Afghanistan and what not.

Same thing with North Korea. I know that Russia and China sits next door but somehow the US allowed North Korea to acquire nuclear weapons without much of a fuss - other than the existing sanctions. Whether Russia or China helped North Korea (likely) or not you have many Russia and Chinese analysts saying that this was a wrong policy and they would prefer a non-nuclear armed North Korea that they could easily influence fully.

EDIT: I did not even mention the obvious - namely that should Iran ever acquire nuclear weapons you will have a nuclear arms race in the Middle East with several countries following suit. That would be the nightmare of Israel.
 
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1. Destruction of Iranian ballistic missile capability and its industrial facilities
2. Destruction of the Iranian Navy.
3. Destroy their nuclear facilities and ability to build a nuclear weapon
4. Destroy their ability to support its proxies and project power throughout the region

The US is succeeding in all of these objectives. 70% of Iranian missile/drone/naval production facilities have been destroyed. Cost of inaction would have seen a 2030 nuclear armed Iran shielded by 10,000+ ballistic missiles.


Didn't the americans and trump also claim in June 2025 that 95% of the Iranian military had been destroyed as well as the ENTIRE Iranian nuclear program?
 
One fundamental difference is that Iran is not Venezuela or North Korea. Their dynastic system is ancient and entrenched. Infact it is one of the most durable dynastic political systems in recent history. They literally have a system to identify a leader loyal to their ideology to the nth degree. Maduro ended at Maduro (with all due respect to their country).

It is politically unwise to go into such a country claiming regime change as the target. The people running the regime at the start of the war are dead. But the regime itself will continue to endure likely for a long long time to come with changing faces. Both sides will shift goalposts ( US claiming regime change because leadership was executed vs Iran claiming sustained regime power due to same dynastt in powe, but the same IDEOLOGY continues to make decisions for the country.

If the real purpose was protecting Israel the objective also seems to have done poorly.

If the real purpose was expanding land under control of Israel and creating chaos, instability and animosity amongst the regional muslims countries it seems to be a resounding success.
A 47 year old system is now ancient?

Also the current Iranian regime is run by the IRGC. Militarily and financially. The so-called "Supreme Leader" is just a religious figurehead that is put in place to have any semblance of "Islamic" legitimacy (read their 47 year old Wilayat al-Faqih cult) which is even considered heretical for most Shias.


The IRGC controls almost all of Iran's economy and sits on all the military control. Even their regular army (Artesh) is barely armed in comparison and it was always mistrusted because the IRGC/Mullah's always feared an internal coup until they purged the Artesh from nationalists and anti-Mullah lot. Rendering them a toll of the IRGC. Hence why, not only sanctions, they had/have no modern air force etc.

So of course an entire system and country is not going to collapse because some 90 year old gets killed (Khamenei) or other old dinosaurs or even a few IRGC generals here and there. The list is rather long but you get the point.

Military rule in Pakistan is not going to collapse either if a few high-ranking generals etc.
are somehow removed.
 
The American perspective is, we are F'ed. Unless the new guy in Iran caves, we are going to be forced into another Middle Eastern ground war, and that's the US perspective.

Think about it like this, even if Trump said "we had enough, and we are going home," stop all attacks, did nothing, washing his hands over this, what do you think will happen?

What will happen is that he made Iran know, from now on, anytime the US or Israel stop Iranian interest, they can just use the "scarface" strategy and say "It would be ashame if one of those ship got attacked" they don't need to physically attack them, they don't even need a solid plan that any attack would be successful, that alone will stop shipping from transiting. And if you are the US, what would you think when Iran said we are going to restart the nuclear program sometime down the road? Well, you bomb them again, and they do this again, and certainly at one stage, it may not be the next time, or the time after next time, that you realise as long as Iran was there, the strait is ALWASY going to be open to attack, which mean the only option is a ground operation, then you say to yourself, why not do it now when we had already taken out 85% of Iranian defence?
This war is not going to end without a permanent settlement of the regional strategic chessboard...I am bit surprised that a veteran like you is thinking in a narrow bandwidth of Iran , Hormuz and shipping.....my detached perspective if you care to know ! There's high probability ( if no de-escalation within this week ) of amphibious landing around Hormuz , though it will be costly, yet it's doable....there won't be D day type attack on Iran nor is that required.... Militarily , Iran is hanging by a thread , she has shown all her cards and of them proved to be a trump card .... Hezbollah issue has to be settled , writ of the Lebanese government over all of her territory has to be established... houthis problem has to resolved.. Palestinian issue has to be worked with.....why do you think every country in the region is sitting on the sidelines and 🚫 none is criticizing America ? ....this was not started at the impulse of the potus.... there is lots of planning and lots of countries behind it ....it won't be anything like Iraq or Afghanistan... pressure from the air will do it's job....Iran has to succumb one way or the other , standing for ummah and Palestine slogans are not going to cut ... America is not backing off without getting the desired results..... keep in mind , no country in the world wants to see a nuclear Iran... everyone is happy sitting on the moral high grounds and letting America and Israel do the dirty work.
 
You clearly don't get it nor are you ever going to get it. Frankly, I'm not even going to attempt to explain it to you. Because you won't accept it. You will believe only that which you want to believe.

Dude... you know I've tried my best to remain objective - but your post reads like cope.

Let him continue. It's fools like the F-22 Raptor that have gotten us into this situation.

Now you understand why I have no faith in the next generation.
 
Yeah, that’s total wishcasting. US relations with Gulf nations will only grow stronger from here, especially as Iran has crucified itself by attacking nearly all its neighbors.

The Iranians are now weaker than they’ve ever been and ground operations against Iran look imminent.

The regime may survive, but they are effectively defeated as they’re military, industries, and economy are destroyed.

The Arabs are MORONS

Their is not one group of people left who isn't insulting the Arabs for their stupidity, they are VITAL for the U.S, they have maintained the petrodollar

The Arabs have spent billions/trillions on U.S weapons
Supported U.S narrative
Gave U.S bases

All for support and security


And when the time came for the Zionists, The U.S dumped all the Arabs
It attacked Iran and plunged the GCC Arabs economies into crises
The U.S can't even provide ANY security to the GCC

Even though Arab money keeps the U.S afloat, the U.S sacrificed them for the Jews


The Arabs are humiliated at the moment and their overpriced U.S weapons look useless

EVERYONE is telling the Arabs what was the point in giving the U.S trillions only for the U.S to abandon you
Take all air defence to try and save Israel whilst your economies were destroyed?????



Believe me, even the Arabs will work this out
They will be forced to comply with Iranian security arrangements
They will gradually switch to the Yuan
They will not trust the U.S again

BUT it will be slow gradual process, they will not rock the boat too much especially with trump there

But I told you the U.S has destroyed its place in the world because of the Zionists leading you into chaos
 
Dude, again, they didn't actually "attack" the shipping. I just show you the JMIC statement, they attacked less than 1 ship a day, where there are usually 136 ship transit thru the day on a normal day, and THAT is the reason why the strait closed. Not because there are mine or they keep bombing them

So how Iran will lose control of the strait once the US attacked the Island? When they still have the coast and they can certainly mount less than 1 attack a day, which is the same rate here, when the strait IS CURRENTLY closed? That's not a logical conclusion here because the operation element remains unchanged, because they weren't using the island to attack the shipping.

And that is before you WILL have your troop attacked in those Island, they can still attack Bahrain, UAE and Israel means they CAN attack those island the US occupied.....And also what will Iran do if US physically assault their soil, you are thinking, sure we invaded their island and they will give up. But, what if they don't? People don't fight war based on what you think will happen, I fought long enough to understand this basic concept.......

If 136 people turn up at their job at the same plant

They are stopped by a police line

They are told their is a sniper, but don't worry he will only shoot 1 or 2 of you per day, the rest of you will survive, but we don't know which one of you he will shoot
 

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