US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[Waz]

Maintaining constant supply to a ground operation would mean a massing of men and material in allied gulf states. A bridge head would be risky considering drone and missile strikes and would end up with a very large amount of casualties.

 

[_Arabia_]

What are the chances of the US and Israel using tactical nukes on Iran? What is the threshold?

Either the Iranian regime, already severely weakened, will capitulate or be forced to reform in a way that will suit the US and Israel (another Venezuela scenario) or the US and Israel will have to launch new attacks against Iran every 6-12 months to ensure that they will never possess nuclear weapons.

If the Israelis go full retard, which they are perfectly capable of, it will only require striking the Bushehr nuclear power plant (now that almost all if not all Russian experts have left) to contaminate large parts of Southern Iran for many years to come.

They have opened a bit of a pandora box here because if the Iranian regime, which is retarded in nature, has not learned anything from this new attack on them, in other words if they do not race to acquire nuclear weapons, they will be at the constant mercy of the US and Israel.

US mainland is completely safe and will remain that. Israel is barely touched either - not anywhere close to anything existential. So they can easily afford a third, fourth or even a fifth round in the not so distant future. Not sure the Iranian regime can afford such a thing given the destruction that they have endured already.

So in a way all parties have somehow forced themselves into a corner.

In any way you look at it, Iran is screwed (already the case) and sadly the Iranian people will be the main victims as they have been since 1979.

Israel and the US also have differing goals IMO. Israel wants a permanently failed state (Iran), preferably ruled by the same incompetent Mullah's. One less regional competitor, potentially. The US on the other hand would want Iran to become a vassal state like under the Shah that they (US firms and US state) can earn billions from.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Americans can put their perspective on the same running thread. If we allow this then what is next? Separate threads for Israeli perspective, Pakistani perspective? Or Indian perspective on op Sindoor? This will will degrade the quality of the forum.

With some Americans banned from the big thread, this is the alternative to allow their voices to be heard.

Yes, this was discussed amongst the moderation team. And yes, forum rules are being strictly enforced.

As for quality of the forum, thanks for the chuckle. And I haven't even had coffee yet.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Must be an American Leftist take on the topic.

Operation Desert Storm	The US-led forces liberated Kuwait from Iraq (1991)
Operation Iraqi Freedom	The US-led forces carried out regime change in Iraq (2003 - 2011)
Operation Inherent Resolve	The US-led forces crippled the ISIL network in the region (2014 - 2026)

Look at Russian experience in Ukraine: regime change mission failed in 2022 and Russian forces have taken massive losses to hold some Ukrainian lands. American losses in Iraq absolutely pale in comparison because American Air Power is vast and armor is good.

Iran became a regional power after the fall of Saddam regime in Iraq and spent many years developing a massive ballistic missile force and mass producing drones for tactical applications in war. Iranian retaliatory strikes across the Middle East are on a scale never seen before from a regional power in the Middle East. However, the US-Israel duo have conducted a large number of strikes in Iran and delivered painful blows to the Iranian military industrial complex and infrastructure that warrant serious analysis and many in Iran are reluctant to talk about that. Iran have also lost a large number of talented people and leaders in these strikes. None of that is easy to recover from.

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But hardly any focus on that.

Politico is a well known left-leaning publication.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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The US continues to surge bomber capacity

 

[جوبا]

As for quality of the forum, thanks for the chuckle. And I haven't even had coffee yet.

Aw cmon man

 

[Aziqbal]

This time they knocked on the wrong door

 

[Yasser76]

Dumb munitions had limited tactical application in warfare. There is a shift from that to precision munitions which have considerable tactical application in warfare. Now anything on the ground can be struck with great precision from a distance. Iranian defenses are not in good shape after facing a large number of precision strikes since Feb 28, they have lost many equipment pieces, troops and experienced commanders. It is very difficult for them to gather in once place and not draw attention, some commanders did that and lost their lives. They have some operational underground bases but these cannot help stop a special forces raid like an army out in the open which is exposed to air strikes.

Wars have panned out differently historically and even recently, it comes down to planning, tactics and tools used. Iran wasn't subjected to massive bombing during Operation Eagle Claw, it was a small-scale infiltration move that failed due to limited planning and an accident. But the US is learning from its past experiences. The ongoing Operation Epic Fury is of entirely different character in execution and scale. They are creating conditions suitable for special forces raids and possibly more on the ground.

Let's see what happens.

Yeah, so anything can happen, as per my post, not sure how to reply or the point you are now making.

not everything on the ground can be struck with precision, if that was the case Hormuz would not be closed right now or missiles hitting US bases, there are literally Iranian speedboats whizzing around, you cannot stop them but somehow will find and stop well dug in troops?

 

[hussain0216]

This is total speculation and wishcasting. We can only wait and see how this war effects the US economically, but I expect it will have minimal effect overall. The US economy is massive at $30.8T and highly resilient. The US didn’t enter this war with the interests of economies on the other side of the planet. President Trump serves the American people and this nation. If you’re banking on recession/depression, I wouldn’t hold your breath.

President Trump is a moron, he couldn't give a crap about the U.S people, he is controlled by the Zionists

The U.S military repeatedly warned about the consequences of this conflict,

Those economies on the other side of the world that the U.S doesn't care about, keep the petrodollar working

The U.S has literally shot itself in its own foot for the sake of the Jews

 

[Yasser76]

Americans can put their perspective on the same running thread. If we allow this then what is next? Separate threads for Israeli perspective, Pakistani perspective? Or Indian perspective on op Sindoor? This will will degrade the quality of the forum.

Yeah, not as if the yanks are short of getting their perspective across globally.....

 

[Ali_Baba]

Maintaining constant supply to a ground operation would mean a massing of men and material in allied gulf states. A bridge head would be risky considering drone and missile strikes and would end up with a very large amount of casualties.

The USA has moved soldiers enough for 2 - 3 "glory" shock and awe missions to occupy an island or two and do some spec ops behind Iranian lines, but they have not moved enough additional logistical soldiers or supply chain to support those soldiers in combat for any sustained period of time. This suggests that Trump thinks if he takes an Island or two, he can then get Iran to "back" off on his terms which is flawed logic (once again).

 

[Waz]

The USA has moved soldiers enough for 2 - 3 "glory" shock and awe missions to occupy an island or two and do some spec ops behind Iranian lines, but they have not moved enough additional logistical soldiers or supply chain to support those soldiers in combat for any sustained period of time. This suggests that Trump thinks if he takes an Island or two, he can then get Iran to "back" off on his terms which is flawed logic (once again).

Sounds about right.

 

[mythbuster]

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After watching these protests Iran may harden her stance , not a good omen for peace.

 

[Yasser76]

The USA has moved soldiers enough for 2 - 3 "glory" shock and awe missions to occupy an island or two and do some spec ops behind Iranian lines, but they have not moved enough additional logistical soldiers or supply chain to support those soldiers in combat for any sustained period of time. This suggests that Trump thinks if he takes an Island or two, he can then get Iran to "back" off on his terms which is flawed logic (once again).

Yup, and with no armour they will rely just on air support to try and attack defensive positions. Iranians are not short of light weapons and solid anti-ship and anti-tank equipment either. Hand to hand combat I would back IRGC over US Marines.
Marines may well have some NCOs and Officers with Iraq and Afghan combat experiance, Iranians will have some senior leaders with Iran-Iraq war experiance too.
However way you want to wrap this, the defensive force has the advantage here, even without air superiority

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

After watching these protests Iran may harden her stance , not a good omen for peace.

Fair assessment.

Shades of 1968 when US domestic protests hardened the resolve of North Vietnam to continue to hold out. As the protests increased, so did their resolve.