US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[AZ_HighCountry]

Yup, and with no armour they will rely just on air support to try and attack defensive positions. Iranians are not short of light weapons and solid anti-ship and anti-tank equipment either. Hand to hand combat I would back IRGC over US Marines.
Marines may well have some NCOs and Officers with Iraq and Afghan combat experiance, Iranians will have some senior leaders with Iran-Iraq war experiance too.
However way you want to wrap this, the defensive force has the advantage here, even without air superiority

You apparently know nothing regarding the training in hand-2-hand combat that Marines go through.

 

[Serendipity]

When I first signed up to the old PDF, my first post or two was to request more information on some Iranian art exhibit I saw in Detroit years ago.

{Crickets}

Now that my title here is a step or two above ignorant racist Nazi, I will like to ask again.

I saw an amazing picture of sheer colorful sheets, in a large tent.

Brilliant!

Will help me to deal with the oppressive heat in Oklahoma AND look fashionable.

Im sure people would be happy to help you identify it. A bit more info would be helpful though.

Thing is military discussions arenas have biased sampling. Not exactly the perching ground of pacifist.

To be honest i doubt anyone here has even ever really met a real Nazi any more than they have met a Roman Centurian or a Persian Immortal. Slurs are all well and good, unless they come from the sincere.

The best hope for the Iranis and Americans at this stage is if America choses not to go all in. It was never their fight. America will not really feel any tangible damage from this fight. People talk about body bags but they seem to forget the number of people the Americans have lost in past wars when they have genuinely decided to go all in. Political consequences for individuals and political parties yes, but for the country as a whole not much other than branding damage. But then Trump himself has done more to damage the American brand than any single war. Not on purpose of course. Just poor gambles.

All while Israel works to colonize more territory in the cover of the war. The single biggest mistake the Americans made ik this fight was to allow Israel to interfere with (and frankly control) the escalation ladder.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Fair assessment.

Shades of 1968 when US domestic protests hardened the resolve of North Vietnam to continue to hold out. As the protests increased, so did their resolve.

Unless US soldiers start getting killed in significant numbers the vast majority of people wont care if 1 or a million targets overseas are attacked.

they'll be lining up with smiling happy faces interested in this FAR more

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[Yasser76]

You apparently know nothing regarding the training in hand-2-hand combat that Marines go through.

No, but sure you are going to patronise me in a minute right Gunnery Sgt?
How many tours did you do?

FYI I have gone through infantry training and have met marines, but please, go on, enlighten me about the supermen.

Iranians can fight the enemy to a standstill without air support, they proved it against Iraq.

 

[جوبا]

No, but sure you are going to patronise me in a minute right Gunnery Sgt?
How many tours did you do?

FYI I have gone through infantry training and have met marines, but please, go on, enlighten me about the supermen.

Iranians can fight the enemy to a standstill without air support, they proved it against Iraq.

How many crayons can the Iranians eat in a minute?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

The United States is bombing Iran back to the stone age and the Anti-Americans are desperately trying to highlight electric and gas prices in the US.

At this rate, If some Iranian manages to throw a stick or a stone towards Washington, it'll be considered a great victory for Iran.

 

[Yasser76]

How many crayons can the Iranians eat in a minute?

As many crayons as Saudis need allies to help fight their wars.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Anti-Americans

nah not anti american
anti zionists

 

[F-22Raptor]

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[sambody]

The United States is bombing Iran back to the stone age and the Anti-Americans are desperately trying to highlight electric and gas prices in the US.

At this rate, If some Iranian manages to throw a stick or a stone towards Washington, it'll be considered a great victory for Iran.

Victory or defeat is measured based on whether objectives are achieved or not. Trump's objective was a quick regime change as was achieved in Venezuela. The Iranian regime's objective was survival. So far, the Iranians have succeeded in achieving their objective and Trump has failed miserably despite the overwhelming military superiority . In retrospect, it was always mission impossible and the US now needs a face-saving exit from a war no one can properly articulate why we got involved in , in the first place.

 

[j_hungary]

Dumb munitions had limited tactical application in warfare. There is a shift from that to precision munitions which have considerable tactical application in warfare. Now anything on the ground can be struck with great precision from a distance. Iranian defenses are not in good shape after facing a large number of precision strikes since Feb 28, they have lost many equipment pieces, troops and experienced commanders. It is very difficult for them to gather in once place and not draw attention, some commanders did that and lost their lives. They have some operational underground bases but these cannot help stop a special forces raid like an army out in the open which is exposed to air strikes.

Wars have panned out differently historically and even recently, it comes down to planning, tactics and tools used. Iran wasn't subjected to massive bombing during Operation Eagle Claw, it was a small-scale infiltration move that failed due to limited planning and an accident. But the US is learning from its past experiences. The ongoing Operation Epic Fury is of entirely different character in execution and scale. They are creating conditions suitable for special forces raids and possibly more on the ground.

Let's see what happens.

What you are describing is what we call "Setting up/Prepping the Battlefield," within the Military.

The question is not how this war has gone on the tactical level, I can say for certain that the US had already won on that level when it's estimated 85% of the Iranian combined defense has gone offline. The problem is how this is going to affect both the Operational Level and the Strategic Level.

I talked about this on my podcast today, that is what the American and IDF are lacking, you prep your battlefield for a reason. In the Ukrainian war, every time Ukraine directs a strike at something on a tactical layout, it works toward either an Operational Goal (or Operational Requirement) or a Strategic Goal. In this case, this war had been 4 weeks old, and I don't see any Operational and strategic goals. Or how they can translate the tactical gain in furtherance of IDF and US military operational and strategic goals. In terms of battlefield planning, it's very important because you can't expect to win a war by blindly attacking your enemy.

And Iran is not the same as Venezuela, first of all, the sheer size of Iran means small Special Operation Activities would require much, much more intel to pull it, and you can't really use the kind of Mogadishu style SFO to find Iranian nuclear material, because you will have an issue on both insertion and get those material out, unless you are trying to just detonate Iranian nuclear material in Iran......That is if you can locate them in the first place......

 

[Watandar]

The total cost so far of the un-necessary Iran war to the US.

Iran War Cost Tracker — First Week Cost $11.3 Billion

The Pentagon told Congress the first week of the Iran war cost $11.3 billion. Track the running total in real time.

iran-cost-ticker.com

 

[SolarWarden]

Maintaining constant supply to a ground operation would mean a massing of men and material in allied gulf states. A bridge head would be risky considering drone and missile strikes and would end up with a very large amount of casualties.

We're gonna find out if US learned any lesson from Ukraine drone wars. If US marines and soldiers are injured or suffer death through actual combat (shooting war) it's gonna suck big time but we'll understand it and except it but if we see the cht that is happening to Russian soldiers in Ukraine where drones are picking off US soldiers and it's recorded you might start seeing heads rolling.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Victory or defeat is measured based on whether objectives are achieved or not. Trump's objective was a quick regime change as was achieved in Venezuela. The Iranian regime's objective was survival. So far, the Iranians have succeeded in achieving their objective and Trump has failed miserably despite the overwhelming military superiority . In retrospect, it was always mission impossible and the US now needs a face-saving exit from a war no one can properly articulate why we got involved in , in the first place.

This is NOT accurate. Regime was never the primary objective of this war. It’s why President Trump said in his opening statement on February 28 that regime change is up to the Iranian people. The US is not going to invade with 200K troops, install nice guys, and nation build for a decade.

 

[sambody]

This is NOT accurate. Regime was never the primary objective of this war. It’s why President Trump said in his opening statement on February 28 that regime change it up to the Iranian people. The US is not going to invade with 200K troops, install nice guys, and nation build for a decade.

So why else did the US enter this war ? What have we gotten out of it ? The only winners I see so far are Netanyahu, MBS and Putin, who are all experts at playing Trump.