US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

RescueRanger said:
The operational plan everyone...

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I don't know where that's from, but it was in a TV series that someone said

"This is Operational, it means that's a plan."
 
RescueRanger said:
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We go to Iran and take out their nuclear material faster than the Iranian which were already there.......That's probably the only time a Defensive Perimeter in Iran would make sense.......

That's some sort of shit I would like to smoke.....This is "Baghdad Bob guide to war"
 
j_hungary said:
Which part of "We are going to them, not they are coming to us" do you not understand?

They didn't just randomly bury 800kg of nuclear material in the sand or in a cave that you can just dig it up and access it, it's in some sort of tunnel, room, or vault that was going to be guarded by tens of thousands of IRGC troops.

Setting up DP for what? So you look at the IRGC in their camp where the HEU were looking back at you?
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More importantly, what guarantee do we have these folks are keeping it one site?

Are our troops supposed to just parachute into an IRGC stronghold, set up lawn chairs on top of a mountain, and wait for the Iranians to dig their way up? A perimeter there does not stop enrichment.
Once your troops are actually on the ground staring at tens of thousands of IRGC forces, they need constant protection. That requires continuous suppression of ground fire, which means the military has to fly endless close air support missions over the site every single hour of every single day, indefinitely, just to keep your perimeter from being overrun. You are talking about building an isolated island of American troops surrounded by an ocean of hostile forces, requiring a massive, never ending logistical airlift into a hot zone.

It just puts US soldiers in a massive shooting gallery staring directly at the IRGC but no sir, we're playing call of duty right here in someone's head and the president apparently is playing Fortnite.
 
RescueRanger said:
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Maybe he think all of our troops have a pause and "Load from last checkpoint" button in case shit hits the fan. While in reality a LOT of money and resources are being expended to keep US casualties down to a minimum because Hegshit is already losing agency and trying to keep loyalists up while weeding out all that call his own Crusader call of duty bullshit out.
 
Oscar said:
Maybe he think all of our troops have a pause and "Load from last checkpoint" button in case shit hits the fan. While in reality a LOT of money and resources are being expended to keep US casualties down to a minimum because Hegshit is already losing agency and trying to keep loyalists up while weeding out all that call his own Crusader call of duty bullshit out.
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It's a tactical disaster whichever way you slice it.

"Strategy"
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Oscar said:
More importantly, what guarantee do we have these folks are keeping it one site?

Are our troops supposed to just parachute into an IRGC stronghold, set up lawn chairs on top of a mountain, and wait for the Iranians to dig their way up? A perimeter there does not stop enrichment.
Once your troops are actually on the ground staring at tens of thousands of IRGC forces, they need constant protection. That requires continuous suppression of ground fire, which means the military has to fly endless close air support missions over the site every single hour of every single day, indefinitely, just to keep your perimeter from being overrun. You are talking about building an isolated island of American troops surrounded by an ocean of hostile forces, requiring a massive, never ending logistical airlift into a hot zone.

It just puts US soldiers in a massive shooting gallery staring directly at the IRGC but no sir, we're playing call of duty right here in someone's head and the president apparently is playing Fortnite.
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Well, I don't know if this will work, but I am pretty sure no one has ever tried that before. Maybe just pulling up a chair and waiting for Iran to dig up their nuclear material and come to you in your defensive perimeter will work this time? We don't know.......

That cake is broken up into different pieces and stored in different off-site facilities, or may even be outside Iran for all we know. They aren't going to store them in one place...
 
The fact that Helicopters and C130s could roam around Iran for hours, and not get shot down, is not a good look for Iran. ( It is quite surprising infact ).

Whether the loss of an F15E discourages the US plans, or the fact that Helicopters and C130s could roam freely for hours encourages the US and what that means for the next decision point as yet is unknown.
 
AZ_HighCountry said:
Just to keep things in perspective, while Iran has damaged an F-35, which will likely will be scrapped, and downed an F-15, a Blackhawk has been downed, an F-16 supposedly hit as well. And, let's not forget about the mounting losses of drones. A KC-135 lost. Others damaged. An E-3 destroyed. Personnel injured. Killed.

Let's not focus on the shiny side of the coin.
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well Iran damaged an F-35 and F-16 and back in the safe 'ole USA it's...

Mach 31, 2026
www.foxnews.com

Air Force F-35 crashes near Las Vegas; pilot survives with minor injuries

An F-35 fighter jet crashed near Las Vegas Tuesday, and authorities said the pilot sustained only minor injuries at the Nevada Test & Training Range.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Dec 3, 2025
www.nbcnews.com

Air Force pilot safely ejects before F-16 fighter jet crashes in California desert

The F-16C Fighting Falcon crashed around 10:45 a.m. Wednesday during a training mission “over controlled airspace in California.”
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

Maybe we should move the aircraft fleet overseas to a warzone where they will be safer.
 
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j_hungary said:
I don't know where that's from, but it was in a TV series that someone said

"This is Operational, it means that's a plan."
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It's from Hot Shots (1991). You have never seen it before ? It's like "Airplane" but a parody of Top Gun, Rambo and Predator. You gotta see it, they don't make em like this anymore.
 
j_hungary said:
We go to Iran and take out their nuclear material faster than the Iranian which were already there.......That's probably the only time a Defensive Perimeter in Iran would make sense.......

That's some sort of shit I would like to smoke.....This is "Baghdad Bob guide to war"
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Trump Weighs Military Operation to Extract Iran’s Uranium​



Any move to seize the uranium by force would be complex and dangerous, former U.S. military officers and experts said, ranking among the most challenging operations ordered by Trump. The potential operation, which would likely trigger retaliation from Iran, could also lengthen the war well beyond the 4-6 week time frame that Trump’s team has publicly outlined.

Teams of U.S. forces would need to fly to the sites, likely under fire from Iranian surface-to-air missiles and drones. Once on site, combat troops would need to secure perimeters so that engineers with excavating equipment could search through debris and check for mines and booby traps.

The extraction of the material would likely need to be conducted by an elite special operations team specially trained to remove radioactive material from a conflict zone. The highly enriched uranium is likely contained in 40 to 50 special cylinders that resemble scuba tanks. They would need to be put into transportation casks to protect against accidents. That could fill several trucks, said Richard Nephew, a senior research scholar at Columbia University and a former nuclear negotiator with Iran.

Unless an airfield was available, a makeshift one would need to be set up to bring equipment in and take the nuclear material out. The entire operation would take days or even a week to complete, experts said.


US forces would fly in to to secure the Isfahan site. There are not “thousands” of IRGC at the site itself. This is mostly open terrain under heavy US surveillance.
 
F-22Raptor said:

Trump Weighs Military Operation to Extract Iran’s Uranium​



Any move to seize the uranium by force would be complex and dangerous, former U.S. military officers and experts said, ranking among the most challenging operations ordered by Trump. The potential operation, which would likely trigger retaliation from Iran, could also lengthen the war well beyond the 4-6 week time frame that Trump’s team has publicly outlined.

Teams of U.S. forces would need to fly to the sites, likely under fire from Iranian surface-to-air missiles and drones. Once on site, combat troops would need to secure perimeters so that engineers with excavating equipment could search through debris and check for mines and booby traps.

The extraction of the material would likely need to be conducted by an elite special operations team specially trained to remove radioactive material from a conflict zone. The highly enriched uranium is likely contained in 40 to 50 special cylinders that resemble scuba tanks. They would need to be put into transportation casks to protect against accidents. That could fill several trucks, said Richard Nephew, a senior research scholar at Columbia University and a former nuclear negotiator with Iran.

Unless an airfield was available, a makeshift one would need to be set up to bring equipment in and take the nuclear material out. The entire operation would take days or even a week to complete, experts said.


US forces would fly in to to secure the Isfahan site. There are not “thousands” of IRGC at the site itself. This is mostly open terrain under heavy US surveillance.
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Also the Isfahan site was MOP’d last year. IRGC are NOT in the tunnel complex.
 
Ali_Baba said:
The fact that Helicopters and C130s could roam around Iran for hours, and not get shot down, is not a good look for Iran. ( It is quite surprising infact ).

Whether the loss of an F15E discourages the US plans, or the fact that Helicopters and C130s could roam freely for hours encourages the US and what that means for the next decision point as yet is unknown.
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The USAF will seriously pound the area where they are doing CSAR. In fact, I am pretty sure (90% sure) the system that took down the F-15 is gone; they don't fly solo, and once you turn on that Radar and engage, and you take down that F-15, his/her wingman is going to gun you down.

Operationally, this is nothing in the grand scheme of things, you are talking about maybe 100-150 aerial assets operating in the area, losing 1 or 2 or 3 is not going to make or break the operation. The problem is this goes against what this administration said, and there are only a certain time the people will be for that, bear in mind we didn't exit Vietnam because we are getting beat up, we didn't exit Afghanistan because we are getting beat up, we left, and you can argue, losing the war both time because the people saw that it's still a long way before they can be pacified and started to distrust the administration, that's how Strategic Obective were lost. If we keep saying "Iran is done" and "There are no threat in Iran" and it keep turning up different, sooner or later people are going to be sick of this war.
 
F-22Raptor said:

Trump Weighs Military Operation to Extract Iran’s Uranium​



Any move to seize the uranium by force would be complex and dangerous, former U.S. military officers and experts said, ranking among the most challenging operations ordered by Trump. The potential operation, which would likely trigger retaliation from Iran, could also lengthen the war well beyond the 4-6 week time frame that Trump’s team has publicly outlined.

Teams of U.S. forces would need to fly to the sites, likely under fire from Iranian surface-to-air missiles and drones. Once on site, combat troops would need to secure perimeters so that engineers with excavating equipment could search through debris and check for mines and booby traps.

The extraction of the material would likely need to be conducted by an elite special operations team specially trained to remove radioactive material from a conflict zone. The highly enriched uranium is likely contained in 40 to 50 special cylinders that resemble scuba tanks. They would need to be put into transportation casks to protect against accidents. That could fill several trucks, said Richard Nephew, a senior research scholar at Columbia University and a former nuclear negotiator with Iran.

Unless an airfield was available, a makeshift one would need to be set up to bring equipment in and take the nuclear material out. The entire operation would take days or even a week to complete, experts said.


US forces would fly in to to secure the Isfahan site. There are not “thousands” of IRGC at the site itself. This is mostly open terrain under heavy US surveillance.
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Yeah, why not just have an Iranian bring it down to you or call an Uber for it while you are at it?

To begin with, do we EVEN know that it's in Isfahan? Have you run any intel ops, scanning for radioactive isotropes in the area? And even if it's in there, how do you know it's lightly guarded? or not guarded at all?

I can send in ANY operational plan to anyone, I actually did too, but whether or not that plan is "Operational" is another issue, NOT ALL PLANS are operational just because they are provided by someone, that's the joke we are making on you earlier.
 
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