US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[Davey Crockett]

Thinking of starting Davey's Strait of Hormuz River Boat Cruise.

Think of the fun we'll have wondering which side will blow us up first.

 

[mythbuster]

I'll just go ahead an be blunt then. This is going to end either with the US breaking Iran's will to fight or vice-versa. How that is accomplished is open for debate. Will it go nuclear? Doubtful. Could it go nuclear? There is always that possibility then again, Putin has been threatening such action for how long now?

This tit for tat approach is not going to end the conflict.

In spite of what the wishers and hopers on both sides believe, neither side is fully in control of the Strait. That is fact and not worth the debate. If you choose to disagree, feel free to follow your preferred PowerPoint postings on Twitter in order to feel better.

Iran doesn't need to fully control soh , all it has to do and is doing is to launch few missiles and drones here and there from a distance to scare off the ships ....to fully control the soh America has to do amphibious landing and capture the surrounding areas , technically it's not that difficult and America has more than ample resources to do that...it all boils down to political will , domestic politics and certainly worldwide poor perception about American policies.....time is not in Americas favour and the Iranian know that.. that's why they are doing everything to prolong the negotiations.

 

[The SC]

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[KAL-EL]

I'll just go ahead an be blunt then. This is going to end either with the US breaking Iran's will to fight or vice-versa. How that is accomplished is open for debate. Will it go nuclear? Doubtful. Could it go nuclear? There is always that possibility then again, Putin has been threatening such action for how long now?

This tit for tat approach is not going to end the conflict.

In spite of what the wishers and hopers on both sides believe, neither side is fully in control of the Strait. That is fact and not worth the debate. If you choose to disagree, feel free to follow your preferred PowerPoint postings on Twitter in order to feel better

Correct! Putin has been threatening to go nuclear for years. Threatening various European capitals.

How's that working out for him? Hasn't stopped anything.

 

[VCheng]

Correct! Putin has been threatening to go nuclear for years. Threatening various European capitals.

How's that working out for him? Hasn't stopped anything.

Sometimes, a slow and steady boa constrictor achieves more than a roaring lion in hot pursuit. Nature is full of wisdom for the wise to observe and mimic where possible.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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No US soldiers have been killed or injured and the vast majority of Iranian drones and missiles have been intercepted.

 

[SolarWarden]

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Just be done with it already go all in or get out.

 

[wangdefa]

Brent crude is down $25-30. Irans strategy is a failed one

If I recall correctly, a few months ago when crude oil prices rose, you said it was a victory. Now that crude oil prices are falling, you say it’s another victory. So I’m curious, does this "spiritual victory" principle really have anything to do with crude oil?

 

[F-22Raptor]

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More strikes have begun

 

[F-22Raptor]

If I recall correctly, a few months ago when crude oil prices rose, you said it was a victory. Now that crude oil prices are falling, you say it’s another victory. So I’m curious, does this "spiritual victory" principle really have anything to do with crude oil?

All military objectives were met.

Irans nuclear industrial base is destroyed and HEU buried so deep only the US has the equipment and expertise to extract it.

Any leverage Iran retained over the Strait has been severely eroded with the successful passage of tankers and Brent prices subdued.

Irans military industrial base is destroyed, its economy in ruins. It’s gotten no funds unfrozen and zero sanctions relief. The $300B is a distant dream at this point. Iran is getting bombed at will now with zero deterrence.

The US has long since won the war, but since Iran held leverage over maritime insurance companies, it’s convinced people they’ve won.

The reality is the US is graded on the anti curve and ultra maximalist objectives, while Iran is graded on the IRGC and Mojtaba surviving in bunkers for 5 months, despite their industrial bases and economy getting flattened.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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[wangdefa]

All military objectives were met.

Irans nuclear industrial base is destroyed and HEU buried so deep only the US has the equipment and expertise to extract it.

Any leverage Iran retained over the Strait has been severely eroded with the successful passage of tankers and Brent prices subdued.

Irans military industrial base is destroyed, its economy in ruins. It’s gotten no funds unfrozen and zero sanctions relief. The $300B is a distant dream at this point. Iran is getting bombed at will now with zero deterrence.

The US has long since won the war, but since Iran held leverage over maritime insurance companies, it’s convinced people they’ve won.

The reality is the US is graded on the anti curve and ultra maximalist objectives, while Iran is graded on the IRGC and Mojtaba surviving in bunkers for 5 months, despite their industrial bases and economy getting flattened.

All military objectives were met.

Irans nuclear industrial base is destroyed and HEU buried so deep only the US has the equipment and expertise to extract it.

Any leverage Iran retained over the Strait has been severely eroded with the successful passage of tankers and Brent prices subdued.

Irans military industrial base is destroyed, its economy in ruins. It’s gotten no funds unfrozen and zero sanctions relief. The $300B is a distant dream at this point. Iran is getting bombed at will now with zero deterrence.

The US has long since won the war, but since Iran held leverage over maritime insurance companies, it’s convinced people they’ve won.

The reality is the US is graded on the anti curve and ultra maximalist objectives, while Iran is graded on the IRGC and Mojtaba surviving in bunkers for 5 months, despite their industrial bases and economy getting flattened.

So that's how it is. The term "victory" is so cheap. By your logic, Russia has also destroyed Ukraine's industrial facilities, so Russia should also declare victory, even though Ukraine (Iran) continues to fight back. Russia considers this just a temporary phase of completing the mission, as the overall plan is still ongoing. Meanwhile, the United States has already defined victory.
This is just a humorous and witty expression; in fact, I would not compare the wars on both sides.

 

[mythbuster]

As I said earlier in the thread , strikes are not going to end until Iran's capacity to disrupt shipping is neutralised..... there's a high probability that GCC countries may join the offensive against Iran ... their restraint is being taken as cowardice... it's illogical to show restraint anymore.

 

[battalion25]

As I said earlier in the thread , strikes are not going to end until Iran's capacity to disrupt shipping is neutralised..... there's a high probability that GCC countries may join the offensive against Iran ... their restraint is being taken as cowardice... it's illogical to show restraint anymore.

It has nothing to do with restrain but it is Iran that is refusing to back down here and not the opposite. They want to enforce some kind of toll on the passage of the Hormuz which is a non-starter for everyone really because it is a new reality anything changing the previous status quo will actully mean this time not only tit for tat strikes but a conventional conflict aka all out war.

Iran is attacking ships passing the Strait of Hormuz saying they must pay fees to Iran. This is a massive miscalculation on Iran´s behalf if you ask me because they are giving the other side no option but war.

Why can´t Iran just reset and use the time to prepare themselves for the next 2 decades instead of coming with a stupid non-starter demands like everyone must pay me to use the Hormuz and nobody is gonna accept that..

Iran is fuking itself over in this deal instead of building on it´s gains and forcing the otherside to an absolute war.

 

[VCheng]

The US has long since won the war, but since Iran held leverage over maritime insurance companies, it’s convinced people they’ve won.

It is not over until it is over. It seems it will be a good while before any side can claim victory.