US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[BHAN85]

How exactly did the US win the war? The US military had 3 strategic goals: 1) The elimination of Iran's Nuclear Program, 2) The elimination of Iran's Ballistic Missile Program and 3) Regime Change.
The US not only failed to achieve the goals proclaimed by itself but it failed to achieve the new goal set by it's own failure, the opening of the Straight of Hormuz. The "World's Most Powerful Navy" failed to open a single Straight....

USA like to conceal their well executed plans as errors.

of course, everybody with brain knew hormuz strait would be closed and it would be impossible to open as long Iran regime exists.

and everybody would guess that a bunch of mosque burners in Iran can never do a regime change, they are hated by everybody in Iran, even people who are not pro-regime.

It's very likely close hormuz strait was the real and only American intention from the beginning.

Like it was USA intention to blow up NordStream in Ukraine war, or put tariffs. The three things serve same economic purpose of disrupt world economy.

USA narrative of lies are childish, nonsenses and stupid things.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Like it was USA intention to blow up NordStream in Ukraine war, or put tariffs. The three things serve same economic purpose of disrupt world economy.

Do you have definitive proof of this? Or just internet speculation?

 

[BHAN85]

Do you have definitive proof of this? Or just internet speculation?

Proof of USA putting tariffs and the effect it causes in world economy?

Proof of 2014 Ukraine Euromaidan instigated by USA with the damage to Germany economy? Even without NordStream blowup, thanks to Ukraine war it causes same effect of damage to European economy.

are needed proofs to see last decade USA behavior to disrupt world economy?

Hormuz strait closure is just another chapter in same movie.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Proof of USA putting tariffs and the effect it causes in world economy?

Proof of 2014 Ukraine Euromaidan instigated by USA with the damage to Germany economy? Even without NordStream blowup, thanks to Ukraine war it causes same effect of damage to European economy.

are needed proofs to see last decade USA behavior to disrupt world economy?

Hormuz strait closure is just another chapter in same movie.

I am asking specifically about your assertion to the attack on NordStream. Do you have any proof whatsoever of this alleged US intention?

 

[KAL-EL]

I am asking specifically about your assertion to the attack on NordStream. Do you have any proof whatsoever of this alleged US intention?

Would like to see proof of this as well

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

And what is the relevance of that comment about the Iranian diaspora to the thread, let alone the fact that you haven’t provided any credible sources to back up that claim.

So lets start with credible sources that support your claims about the Iranian diaspora.

Oh, you want a source, do you?

Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

There are more than 153,000 replies, so you might find a few comments by IRGC fanatics living abroad.

But, more importantly, I'm not exactly sure what your argument with me actually is.

Me: IRGC fanatics abroad want to see their countrymen fight to the death more than their countrymen want to fight.

You: America is bad. Iran has no option. Why are you saying that? I want evidence of what you claim.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Respond to my arguments instead of ‘thinly veiled personal attacks’ telling your debate opponent to go to XYZ country or get XYZ Citizenship.

If it helps, I wasn't talking about you. There are certainly some very passionate examples of Iran-loving, Pakistan-hating Pakistanis.

Couple of examples.





I don't mind Pakistanis loving Iran, but hating Pakistan because of Iran—and so passionately—is something else. That's some powerful IRGC brainwashing sorcery at play here.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Proof of USA putting tariffs and the effect it causes in world economy?

Proof of 2014 Ukraine Euromaidan instigated by USA with the damage to Germany economy? Even without NordStream blowup, thanks to Ukraine war it causes same effect of damage to European economy.

are needed proofs to see last decade USA behavior to disrupt world economy?

Hormuz strait closure is just another chapter in same movie.

Russia invaded Ukraine while Ukraine and much of Europe had dismissed repeated warnings from US intelligence that Russia was preparing an invasion.

Many believed there was no clear evidence and that the US was exaggerating the significance of Russia's military exercises and troop buildup near Ukraine's borders.

 

[KAL-EL]

Russia invaded Ukraine while Ukraine and much of Europe had dismissed repeated warnings from US intelligence that Russia was preparing an invasion.

Many believed there was no clear evidence and that the US was exaggerating the significance of Russia's military exercises and troop buildup near Ukraine's borders.

And look how that turned out

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

And look how that turned out

Yes.

Uncle Sam, save us! Daddy Trump, don't leave us! We want your money and your weapons.

West First, America Second.

 

[FIsa]

If it helps, I wasn't talking about you. There are certainly some very passionate examples of Iran-loving, Pakistan-hating Pakistanis.

Couple of examples.

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I don't mind Pakistanis loving Iran, but hating Pakistan because of Iran—and so passionately—is something else. That's some powerful IRGC brainwashing sorcery at play here.

Spot on, a lot of Pakistanis are delusional. They have no idea what will happen if Pakistan or GCC fails. Millions of poor pakistanis who rely on remmittances will suffer.
When UAE was shut down, you could see the biggest sufferers were the poor working people. A lot of them lost jobs and became homeless and had to leave. Their families also relied on their income. Its not like they can go back to Pakistan with a tonne of jobs lined up even with a 20% paycut.