US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[Shags101]

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Reality must be difficult to accept. Iran has lost the war:

- Military is destroyed
- Infrastructure is destroyed
- Nuclear industry destroyed and HEU buried
- Under naval blockade and economy cratered
- Irans last card, Hormuz, is now mostly gone. See my last post above
- Iran has gotten nothing. Zero assets unfrozen, zero sanctions relief etc

USN performance has been excellent. Thousand of sorties and strikes and successfully defended against hundreds of attacks without taking a single hit.

First point military is there degraded but all reports say they rebuilding faster than America or Israel can hit it again you will disagree with all the reports unless if confirms to your opinion

Definitely agree Irans peaceful nuclear infrastructure was greatly damaged(yes they had a dual track 20 years ago which everyone agrees they abandoned)but reports have said and trump has also agree Iran has moved a lot of centrifuges and yes uranium to a far far more secure location kind of makes a person anxious to know what they’re doing in a place they can’t see at this time or if they could destroy why didn’t they destroy it

Naval blockade goes both ways several ships goes through 1 to 2 get sunk not a really good success rate this goes for your Iran has lost total control of the straits

I’d rather not see any death American or Iranian people for a war we shouldn’t have been involved but thankfully American naval forces tend to be far away from actual danger of Iranian attacks

-2 MC-130s were destroyed by US forces in the F-15 pilot rescue
- 1 Apache was shot down
- 1 A10 was shot down, another damaged
- 4 F-15s shot down, 1 by Iran, 3 in a friendly fire incident

Here is what US Air Force aircraft inventory will roughly look like into next year. This doesn’t include Army, Navy, or Marine aircraft:

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how many aircraft did they lose on the ground known or otherwise I no just a drop in the ocean all of these advanced planes,tankers,awacs and helicopters but shows you Iran had great intelligence and were very capable of destroying any targets that were within their range…..give the the underdog some credit it definitely had a bite 20 to 1 multiple countries playing offensive defensive and support roles wars not fair but they’re still standing with trump and Bibi now starting to feel the fallout

 

[Shags101]

You can expect to see the A-10 remain operations for another 6 or 7 years. By then, the US may have an aircraft more suitable to performing the same mission as the A-10. The F-35 is not it.

I actually liked the a 10 such old plane but can take a beating and destroy anything it hits on the ground with ease Russians have their su 25 but can’t compare to the a 10

 

[SolarWarden]

Why are the A-10s being reduced in large numbers?

A10's are excellent in non-contested airspace where AAA is no threat like Afghanistan or Syria, Iran not so much. A-10s were pulled from attacking republican guard defensive positions in Desert Storm because they were taking a lot of hits and out of the 6 A-10s lost 3 of them were by republican guard forces and that's not mentioning the ones that took heavy damage but managed to return to base. Vipers replaced the A-10s taking out republican guard positions.


A-10s vs. F-16s

Q: Did the war have any effect on the Air Force’s view of the A-10

A: No. People misread that. People were saying that airplanes are too sophisticated and that they wouldn’t work in the desert, that you didn’t need all this high technology, that simple and reliable was better, and all that.

Well, first of all, complex does not mean unreliable. We’re finding that out. For example, you have a watch that uses transistors rather than a spring. It’s infinitely more reliable than the windup watch that you had years ago. That’s what we’re finding in the airplanes.

Those people . . . were always championing the A-10. As the A-10 reaches the end of its life cycle– and it’s approaching that now–it’s time to replace it, just like we replace every airplane, including, right now, some early versions of the F-16.

Since the line was discontinued, [the A-10’s champions] want to build another A-10 of some kind. The point we were making was that we have F-16s that do the same job.

Then you come to people who have their own reasons-good reasons to them, but they don’t necessarily compute to me-who want to hang onto the A-10 because of the gun. Well, the gun’s an excellent weapon, but you’ll find that most of the tank kills by the A-10 were done with Mavericks and bombs. So the idea that the gun is the absolute wonder of the world is not true.

Q: This conflict has shown that

A: It shows that the gun has a lot of utility, which we always knew, but it isn’t the principal tank-killer on the A-10. The [Imaging Infrared] Maverick is the big hero there. That was used by the A-10s and the F-16s very, very effectively in places like Khafji.

The other problem is that the A-10 is vulnerable to hits because its speed is limited. It’s a function of thrust, it’s not a function of anything else. We had a lot of A-10s take a lot of ground fire hits. Quite frankly, we pulled the A-10s back from going up around the Republican Guard and kept them on Iraq’s [less formidable] front-line units. That’s line if you have a force that allows you to do that. In this case, we had F-16s to go after the Republican Guard.

Q: At what point did you do that

A: I think I had fourteen airplanes sitting on the ramp having battle damage repaired, and I lost two A- 10s in one day [February 15], and I said, “I’ve had enough of this.” It was when we really started to go after the Republican Guard.

A Conversation With Chuck Horner | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Desert Storm "air boss" describes how the campaign was planned and fought.

www.airandspaceforces.com

 

[Shags101]

Trump vows economic warfare as post reveals ‘degree of frustration’ over Iran​

I think there is a tone of frustration contained within Trump’s post. There are many capital letters in the post, and clearly there’s a degree of anger, perhaps, and frustration with the fact that the situation with Iran continues despite weeks of threats of further conflict, threats of economic strangulation, and all sorts of threats to try and get Iran to agree to a deal or to negotiate a deal, while all of that has come to naught.

We are exactly where we were many weeks ago, at the time of the signing of the memorandum of understanding, which both Iran and the US basically abandoned before it expired at the beginning of this week.

So above all, what I sense in this posting is that degree of frustration, a degree of anger, and an intent to try and strangle Iran in the most intense of economic ways. What exactly is going to be done? Well, details of that are not provided.

Can anyone on trumps social media platform to tell him to get off of it it’s embarrassing when a 80 year old guy is on it seriously my dads 82 and we go through his facebook all of the time it’s embarrassing……yeah I get the irony of my own posts….but I’m not a creepy 80 years old guy I’m including my dad here

 

[KAL-EL]

U.S. conducting stealth operation to transport oil through Hormuz​

The U.S. military has quietly established a shipping corridor in and out of the Strait of Hormuz to transport millions of barrels of oil each day — a notable success even as the broader war remains at a stalemate, two U.S. officials told Axios.

• Under the operation, which has been underway for the last several weeks, 15 to 20 tankers have entered and exited the strait through a southern channel along the coast of Oman.
• About 10 million barrels of oil a day — roughly half the pre-war volume — are being transported out of the strait and injected into the global energy market, the officials said.

Why it matters: The U.S.-led operation is mitigating one of the most painful aspects of the war: the disruption to oil supplies that sent crude prices soaring. While the amount of oil coming out of the strait is still below pre-war levels, it is making a discernible difference in global supplies, officials say.

How it works: The effort goes beyond escorting outbound tankers with oil on board. The U.S. military is helping empty tankers enter the Gulf from the Arabian Sea through the strait, pick up oil from countries in the region, and then exit.

• The full details of the operation have not been previously reported.
• "We have been controlling the southern lane of the Strait of Hormuz for two months now. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps can be a nuisance, but they don't control the strait. We do," one of the U.S. officials, who has direct knowledge of the matter, said.

Behind the scenes: The task force overseeing the Hormuz effort is being run out of the Army headquarters in Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

• The task force is coordinating with regional Gulf partners. It creates a daily list of ships coming out of the Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz and into the Arabian Sea, as well as a list of rented empty tankers that travel from the Arabian Sea, through the strait and into the ports of Gulf countries to pick up more oil.
• Each night, the ships are scheduled to move in one big outbound line during a certain time slot and one big inbound line during a separate time slot.
• The ships then transit through the southern channel based on U.S. military guidance.
• The U.S. Air Force has fighter jets that protect against Iranian cruise missiles and drones.

Zoom in: The operation was made possible by a recent two-week U.S. Central Command military campaign that degraded Iran's radar and maritime surveillance systems, the officials said.

• Iran has diminished visibility of the traffic in the southern channel of the strait. Its monitoring is limited to a few radars it managed to reconstitute as well as "spotters" in small IRGC fast boats, U.S. officials say.
• Because the Iranians are mostly "blind," they are launching drones and cruise missiles in the general direction of where ships might be transiting.

• Some ships have been hit by the Iranian attacks, but many were stopped by the U.S. military. Earlier this week, for example, U.S. forces shot down eight Iranian drones and two cruise missiles, one of the U.S. officials said.

State of play: U.S. officials say that over the past two weeks, 15 to 20 tankers transited in and out of the Strait of Hormuz each night through the southern channel, keeping the exports going.

• The average daily exports have been growing and are now close to 10 million barrels, U.S. officials say.
• On some nights over the last few weeks, they note, the amount of oil moving out of the Gulf was 15 to 20 million barrels.
• On one of the nights this week, more than 20 ships were slated to move in and out of the strait through the southern lane, with approximately 15 million barrels of oil potentially coming out, one of the officials said.

What he's saying: "There is a tremendous amount of oil coming out of the Strait of Hormuz," President Trump told Axios on Wednesday.

• He said the U.S. is not negotiating with Iran at the moment. "They are wasting time. It's a waste of time to negotiate with them," he said.
• "The Iranians still have some fight left, but overall they are a shell of themselves," Trump said.

https://www.axios.com/2026/08/19/hormuz-iran-oil-gulf-trump

Very interesting indeed..

 

[KAL-EL]

A10's are excellent in non-contested airspace where AAA is no threat like Afghanistan or Syria, Iran not so much. A-10s were pulled from attacking republican guard defensive positions in Desert Storm because they were taking a lot of hits and out of the 6 A-10s lost 3 of them were by republican guard forces and that's not mentioning the ones that took heavy damage but managed to return to base. Vipers replaced the A-10s taking out republican guard positions.


A-10s vs. F-16s

Q: Did the war have any effect on the Air Force’s view of the A-10

A: No. People misread that. People were saying that airplanes are too sophisticated and that they wouldn’t work in the desert, that you didn’t need all this high technology, that simple and reliable was better, and all that.

Well, first of all, complex does not mean unreliable. We’re finding that out. For example, you have a watch that uses transistors rather than a spring. It’s infinitely more reliable than the windup watch that you had years ago. That’s what we’re finding in the airplanes.

Those people . . . were always championing the A-10. As the A-10 reaches the end of its life cycle– and it’s approaching that now–it’s time to replace it, just like we replace every airplane, including, right now, some early versions of the F-16.

Since the line was discontinued, [the A-10’s champions] want to build another A-10 of some kind. The point we were making was that we have F-16s that do the same job.

Then you come to people who have their own reasons-good reasons to them, but they don’t necessarily compute to me-who want to hang onto the A-10 because of the gun. Well, the gun’s an excellent weapon, but you’ll find that most of the tank kills by the A-10 were done with Mavericks and bombs. So the idea that the gun is the absolute wonder of the world is not true.

Q: This conflict has shown that

A: It shows that the gun has a lot of utility, which we always knew, but it isn’t the principal tank-killer on the A-10. The [Imaging Infrared] Maverick is the big hero there. That was used by the A-10s and the F-16s very, very effectively in places like Khafji.

The other problem is that the A-10 is vulnerable to hits because its speed is limited. It’s a function of thrust, it’s not a function of anything else. We had a lot of A-10s take a lot of ground fire hits. Quite frankly, we pulled the A-10s back from going up around the Republican Guard and kept them on Iraq’s [less formidable] front-line units. That’s line if you have a force that allows you to do that. In this case, we had F-16s to go after the Republican Guard.

Q: At what point did you do that

A: I think I had fourteen airplanes sitting on the ramp having battle damage repaired, and I lost two A- 10s in one day [February 15], and I said, “I’ve had enough of this.” It was when we really started to go after the Republican Guard.

A Conversation With Chuck Horner | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Desert Storm "air boss" describes how the campaign was planned and fought.

www.airandspaceforces.com

I can't help but respect A-10s and the job that they do. Sure, they're going to eventually be replaced, but then again the B-52 is going on. What 50 years or more?

 

[KAL-EL]

The Yak-38 would use a launch ramp like that.

They should use blue thunder and airwolf

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

A10's are excellent in non-contested airspace where AAA is no threat like Afghanistan or Syria, Iran not so much. A-10s were pulled from attacking republican guard defensive positions in Desert Storm because they were taking a lot of hits and out of the 6 A-10s lost 3 of them were by republican guard forces and that's not mentioning the ones that took heavy damage but managed to return to base. Vipers replaced the A-10s taking out republican guard positions.


A-10s vs. F-16s

Q: Did the war have any effect on the Air Force’s view of the A-10

A: No. People misread that. People were saying that airplanes are too sophisticated and that they wouldn’t work in the desert, that you didn’t need all this high technology, that simple and reliable was better, and all that.

Well, first of all, complex does not mean unreliable. We’re finding that out. For example, you have a watch that uses transistors rather than a spring. It’s infinitely more reliable than the windup watch that you had years ago. That’s what we’re finding in the airplanes.

Those people . . . were always championing the A-10. As the A-10 reaches the end of its life cycle– and it’s approaching that now–it’s time to replace it, just like we replace every airplane, including, right now, some early versions of the F-16.

Since the line was discontinued, [the A-10’s champions] want to build another A-10 of some kind. The point we were making was that we have F-16s that do the same job.

Then you come to people who have their own reasons-good reasons to them, but they don’t necessarily compute to me-who want to hang onto the A-10 because of the gun. Well, the gun’s an excellent weapon, but you’ll find that most of the tank kills by the A-10 were done with Mavericks and bombs. So the idea that the gun is the absolute wonder of the world is not true.

Q: This conflict has shown that

A: It shows that the gun has a lot of utility, which we always knew, but it isn’t the principal tank-killer on the A-10. The [Imaging Infrared] Maverick is the big hero there. That was used by the A-10s and the F-16s very, very effectively in places like Khafji.

The other problem is that the A-10 is vulnerable to hits because its speed is limited. It’s a function of thrust, it’s not a function of anything else. We had a lot of A-10s take a lot of ground fire hits. Quite frankly, we pulled the A-10s back from going up around the Republican Guard and kept them on Iraq’s [less formidable] front-line units. That’s line if you have a force that allows you to do that. In this case, we had F-16s to go after the Republican Guard.

Q: At what point did you do that

A: I think I had fourteen airplanes sitting on the ramp having battle damage repaired, and I lost two A- 10s in one day [February 15], and I said, “I’ve had enough of this.” It was when we really started to go after the Republican Guard.

A Conversation With Chuck Horner | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Desert Storm "air boss" describes how the campaign was planned and fought.

www.airandspaceforces.com

The A-10 has been EOL for 20 years now. It's Congress who have their own illogical reasons for wanting to keep it in service.

Michigan ANG used to fly the A-10 out of Selfridge. They are transitioning to the F-15EX.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I can't help but respect A-10s and the job that they do. Sure, they're going to eventually be replaced, but then again the B-52 is going on. What 50 years or more?

Totally different mission set by the B-52.

 

[KAL-EL]

Totally different mission set by the B-52.

True.. just saying that the US sometimes uses certain assets for longer than originally planned

 

[SolarWarden]

The A-10 has been EOL for 20 years now. It's Congress who have their own illogical reasons for wanting to keep it in service.

Michigan ANG used to fly the A-10 out of Selfridge. They are transitioning to the F-15EX.

It should have never been used for Iran

 

[Davey Crockett]

The A-10 has been EOL for 20 years now. It's Congress who have their own illogical reasons for wanting to keep it in service.

Michigan ANG used to fly the A-10 out of Selfridge. They are transitioning to the F-15EX.

My father used to drive a fighter pilot from my hometown (SE Michigan) to Selfridge when he was on leave.

Mom would get a phone call from Texas from the pilot telling us he made it back to Texas, BEFORE dad made it back home.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

'Tremendous consequences': Trump threatens economic punishment on 'any country' helping Iran​

Reuters
August 20, 2026



US President Donald Trump delivers remarks during a meeting with cryptocurrency executives in the Roosevelt Room of the White House in Washington, DC, on August 19, 2026. — AFP

United States President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he was launching a major new campaign to target Iran’s economy, threatening “tremendous” punishment on any country that helps or does business with the country.

The intensified economic pressure campaign comes as the war nears its sixth month with no immediate diplomatic or military off-ramp in sight and the vital Strait of Hormuz still significantly choked-off.

With November elections quickly approaching, Trump is also facing renewed domestic scrutiny over the war’s costs on US consumers and toll on the military.

“Today, I am announcing the MOST CRUSHING ECONOMIC OPERATION EVER TAKEN AGAINST ANY COUNTRY! This will be Economic Warfare and Isolation on an unprecedented scale,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

 

[ghazi52]

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