US Political News and Trump’s China visit

I agree with you 100% but suggest the way forward is from the inside. The US political system is rigged for a two party process and, of the two parties in play, the only option is the Democratic party.

We need to accept certain realities of the US political process and work within that framework instead of fantasizing about third party wins which will never happen.

P.S. As I wrote elsewhere, if people believe the Green party is free of Zionist control, then that is only because the Zionists don't want to waste their resources. If the Green party ever becomes a credible force to influence foreign policy, you can bet your bottom dollar it will be brought under Zionist control.
The game is to play both sides, like everyone else is doing. Enough Muslims will stay inside the democrat party, work their way up, as at least one member on this forum is doing. ;)

I know third parties won’t win, but it’s about getting counted, and it will let BOTH parties know how many active voters are out there and can potentially swing an election, maybe not nationally but on a state level or city. So that next time and going forward the electoral Sword of Damocles hangs over the democrat party.

We, those already here for decades, also have to set the course for our community. I prayed in a majority African congregation masjid (but you could see there were easily a good number of people from everywhere in the masjid) this past Jumma, and the imam’s Khutba is still about Gaza and Lebanon.
 
The game is to play both sides, like everyone else is doing. Enough Muslims will stay inside the democrat party, work their way up, as at least one member on this forum is doing. ;)

I know third parties won’t win, but it’s about getting counted, and it will let BOTH parties know how many active voters are out there and can potentially swing an election, maybe not nationally but on a state level or city. So that next time and going forward the electoral Sword of Damocles hangs over the democrat party.

We, those already here for decades, also have to set the course for our community. I prayed in a majority African congregation masjid (but you could see there were easily a good number of people from everywhere in the masjid) this past Jumma, and the imam’s Khutba is still about Gaza and Lebanon.

"I know third parties won’t win, but it’s about getting counted"

Nice self-contradiction, seems like at least you are brave enough to admit you'd rather waste your vote.....or are you a closet MAGA, that just didn't come out yet?

You are only 'swinging' one party here, Republicans couldn't give two hoots about Muslims and their needs but if voting for them makes you feel 'white', then whatever floats your boat.

Let's also be honest and not use Gaza as a guise, knowing Jill won't win, how will a Trump presidency be better for Gazans?


Perhaps someone else can explain to you, not that I am trying to swing you but for argument's sake. Maybe you could lend an ear to a Palestinian American who has a much higher vested interest in seeing her nation emerge out of chaos.


Or you could just put a lid on all the fake Gaza empathy you throw around and we can call it an election.
 
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The U.S. economy is at serious risk from Trump's proposed economic policies, especially his trade war and mass deportation plans, particularly for individuals who have lived here for many years. These measures will result in slower economic growth and higher inflation, according to economists from organizations like the Peterson Institute, Moody's, and Goldman Sachs. For example, Trump's proposal to impose a 10% uniform tariff on imports may result in higher pricing for consumers and businesses alike and probably a trade war with the entire world. Instead of stimulating economic activity, this protectionist strategy is likely to hinder it.

His proposed mass deportation tactics are expected to cause significant labor shortages across the United States, harming all businesses, particularly small and medium-sized businesses. As a small business owner, I am highly aware of the workforce shortages that already exist in our industry. Furthermore, Trump's hostility to legal immigration exacerbates these issues.


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Steve Rattner: Trump’s mass deportation and trade war plans will tank the economy

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Many people blame the economy on Biden admin, the fact to the matter is, economic downturn is worldwide, I live thru that in Australia during 23-24. This is not just an American thing, and from all the data I can compare to (from relative and friends to workmate in the US) things in the US is actually a lot better than here in Australia.

The issue is, the economy didn't decline from the end of Trump presidency, but half the blame should still go to him, because he started those drastic and strict border policy, which don't just stop migrant (legal or otherwise) to cross into US, but also stopped goods and service, the port of entry to clear a Cargo Container, for example, takes a lot longer to clear, and that was supposed to be the time we stock up, instead, when China shut its own border and stop any flow of goods, we are still processing pre-closure freight. That lead to general inflation begin to rise because we just simply don't have stuff to serve the table in the US, and once China stopped exporting, basically we are fucked.

Well, you can blame the reliance of Chinese goods to former administration, basically anyone who is president after 2000, but that particular policy is the reason why US inflation jump drastically during 2021 and 22.

As for his "Economic Policy" it wouldn't work as a stop term gap, it may work in 10 or 15 years' time if you set up a base and restore the US productivities, but deporting everyone (He is not just talking about illegal by the way, he was talking about denaturalisation) means you are going to lose a bunch of low/medium tier worker that is going to help out in farm, working in construction site and so on, unless that policy also force people in the US to fill those work, you are going to have a gap between actual productivities in primary industry. For what exactly? I don't know because you can't just say "I stop buying from China and I can make these things immediately" as with any addiction, the way to treat it is gradually lower the need, not taking it off cold turkey, this is going to backfire immensely. And this is all that he said, he will get the jobs back and the production back to the US, well, yeah, but how?

But he did one thing very good in his campaign, which is to please his base, notice that most of his support base are white men with no degree, these people are very easily fool because they can't put 2 and 2 together, which mean whatever Trump sell, they buy, simply because it looks good.
 
The game is to play both sides, like everyone else is doing. Enough Muslims will stay inside the democrat party, work their way up, as at least one member on this forum is doing. ;)

I know third parties won’t win, but it’s about getting counted, and it will let BOTH parties know how many active voters are out there and can potentially swing an election, maybe not nationally but on a state level or city. So that next time and going forward the electoral Sword of Damocles hangs over the democrat party.

We, those already here for decades, also have to set the course for our community. I prayed in a majority African congregation masjid (but you could see there were easily a good number of people from everywhere in the masjid) this past Jumma, and the imam’s Khutba is still about Gaza and Lebanon.
It just wouldn't work in US system; it may work in Australia when the teal independent is basically holding the whip now because Labour government need their 9 seats to pass policy. But US don't work on a winner take all system, US Politics work on bi-partisanship, which mean negotiation between the 2 parties. If you play both side you are going to split the vote, which will get you nowhere (Even if it gets you nowhere to begin with)

You need a bi-partisan support to clear the Gaza issue, or Muslim issue in general(or any issue in general), the sad fact is, both party (GOP and the Dem) don't really care about it, that mean you can't compromise on an issue that both party don't really care, of course you can vote Trump to protest the Dem, but that only mean you will vote whoever dem nominate to spike GOP (if Trump win he can't be re-elected) come 2028, because what you are looking for does not exist in US Political landscape. Protest votes and independent party don't work in the US. Simply because if enough people don't care about the issue, it wouldn't work.
 
It just wouldn't work in US system; it may work in Australia when the teal independent is basically holding the whip now because Labour government need their 9 seats to pass policy. But US don't work on a winner take all system, US Politics work on bi-partisanship, which mean negotiation between the 2 parties. If you play both side you are going to split the vote, which will get you nowhere (Even if it gets you nowhere to begin with)

You need a bi-partisan support to clear the Gaza issue, or Muslim issue in general(or any issue in general), the sad fact is, both party (GOP and the Dem) don't really care about it, that mean you can't compromise on an issue that both party don't really care, of course you can vote Trump to protest the Dem, but that only mean you will vote whoever dem nominate to spike GOP (if Trump win he can't be re-elected) come 2028, because what you are looking for does not exist in US Political landscape. Protest votes and independent party don't work in the US. Simply because if enough people don't care about the issue, it wouldn't work.
Some Muslims seem to be giving it a try, figuring what do they have to lose.
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Some Muslims seem to be giving it a try, figuring what do they have to lose.
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Well, what they have got to lose??

How about actual policy for THEMSELVES in US, where they live?

You are talking about ignoring domestic policy because of some spike vote that designed to simply punish the democrats, and then very highly likely that's not going to go anywhere except maybe making the situation in middle east worst (Again, Trump is more hawkish in the Jewish issue than Biden/Harris) and only for them to do that again in 2028?

This is what have they got to lose.
 
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Well, what they have got to lose??

How about actual policy for THEMSELVES in US, where they live?

You are talking about ignoring domestic policy because of some spike vote that designed to simply punish the democrats, and then very highly likely that's not going to go anywhere except maybe making the situation in middle east worst (Again, Trump is more hawkish in the Jewish issue than Biden/Harris) and only for them to do that again in 2028?

This is what have they got to lose.
Many of these voters are ignoring domestic issues (or feel it’s less important then the situation in the Middle East, where many of them still have family), while some feel some of the left wing domestic policies have gone too far, not just socially but economically. Sure it’s not fully thought through, but will lead the community to realize that it still comes down to money and how and how much they give in campaign donations. The other issue is working, finding a way into the consciousness of the larger population, as being just like other Americans. A long process but as the country diversifies, a necessity for the long term, for a Muslim community has no one phenotypical look, and needs to not be othered anymore.

The current Muslim population is nearly the same as the current Indian-American population, and you see the Indian-American community flexing their political influence, to the benefit of their community in America and India in general.


As for making the situation worse, it’s possible, but this community figures if it gets worse it will have an even more detrimental effect on the status quo governments in the region who would be forced to push back from Palestinians being expelled into their countries, as well as Trump wanting the war to end soon.

This is my guess at their logic.
 
Many of these voters are ignoring domestic issues (or feel it’s less important then the situation in the Middle East, where many of them still have family), while some feel some of the left wing domestic policies have gone too far, not just socially but economically. Sure it’s not fully thought through, but will lead the community to realize that it still comes down to money and how and how much they give in campaign donations. The other issue is working, finding a way into the consciousness of the larger population, as being just like other Americans. A long process but as the country diversifies, a necessity for the long term, for a Muslim community has no one phenotypical look, and needs to not be othered anymore.

I will say people who do that probably don't care about voting in general, but unlike country like Australia, you don't have to vote or registered to vote if you don't care about domestic policy, most people who vote for President (Which is going to be domestic as President have no power to make decision on foreign relation, that's the job of both houses.) Which mean if most of these people don't care about domestic policy, they simply don't vote.

And I will say it's gonna take a whole lot of time for these types of people to change the perspective of the large majority of voter, because US have one of the highest volunteer voting rates as they are consistently in high 60 while the other non-compulsory countries usually get mid-high 50

The current Muslim population is nearly the same as the current Indian-American population, and you see the Indian-American community flexing their political influence, to the benefit of their community in America and India in general.


As for making the situation worse, it’s possible, but this community figures if it gets worse it will have an even more detrimental effect on the status quo governments in the region who would be forced to push back from Palestinians being expelled into their countries, as well as Trump wanting the war to end soon.

This is my guess at their logic.
This is a different issue, that's political influence, and that's depends on who have more money, that's why Indian and Jewish lobby are powerful in the US. It's not about population
 
I will say people who do that probably don't care about voting in general, but unlike country like Australia, you don't have to vote or registered to vote if you don't care about domestic policy, most people who vote for President (Which is going to be domestic as President have no power to make decision on foreign relation, that's the job of both houses.) Which mean if most of these people don't care about domestic policy, they simply don't vote.

And I will say it's gonna take a whole lot of time for these types of people to change the perspective of the large majority of voter, because US have one of the highest volunteer voting rates as they are consistently in high 60 while the other non-compulsory countries usually get mid-high 50


This is a different issue, that's political influence, and that's depends on who have more money, that's why Indian and Jewish lobby are powerful in the US. It's not about population
Most regular people are working class and middle class, with their purpose being primarily providing for their families. If this election makes any impact, not in outcome, but how the parties reacted to the mobilization of voters, it could give the community purpose to drive higher turnouts and motivate their kids to go into higher earning or higher influence professions. It’s not only about population, but with the diversity of the Muslim community, highly motivated members could work with many progressives and people of similar ethnic backgrounds to make use of numbers and funds. Sort of like Bernie’s campaign, but growing with each round, till there is a break through.

A lot of people, who many would assume would endorse Kamala out of standard optical logic, are not doing so because the democrats portray themselves as a party of decency, but the hypocrisy is too much.
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No room for a difference in opinion in the democrat party? This guy who canvassed for the party isn’t welcome but Liz Cheney is welcome, daughter of one of the architects of the Iraq War?

Same treatment done to the Bernie Bros when Hilary and Biden were running?

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No room for a difference in opinion in the democrat party? This guy who canvassed for the party isn’t welcome but Liz Cheney is welcome, daughter of one of the architects of the Iraq War?

Same treatment done to the Bernie Bros when Hilary and Biden were running?

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No wonder Democrat base is shrinking.
 

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