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Trump’s so-called Gaza plan could lead to a disaster on a scale surpassing the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. The notion of America "owning" Gaza not only threatens to displace millions of Palestinians but also risks entrenching the United States in an enduring conflict, perpetuating a cycle of violence rather than fostering peace. The implications of the plan are alarming, particularly as it disregards decades of bipartisan foreign policy aimed at supporting a two-state solution.

Further U.S. engagement in the hostile Middle East might lead, as historical predecessors indicate, an expensive and lengthy war with no obvious exit plan.


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Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan​

People will have ‘no alternative’ but to leave territory after destruction left by Israel, US president said in Fox interview

Andrew Roth in Washington
Mon 10 Feb 2025 11.26 EST
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Donald Trump has said that his plan to “take over Gaza” would not include a right of return for the more than 2 million Palestinians that he has said have “no alternative” but to leave because of the destruction left by Israel’s military campaign.

The remarks are the latest effective endorsement of ethnic cleansing by the US president, who announced his plan last week during a summit with the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to the outrage of the Arab world and the surprise of even his closest aides.

In the interview with Fox’s Bret Baier, Trump said that he would “own” the Gaza Strip and declared it would be a “real estate development for the future”.

At the same time, he continued to endorse a plan for the Palestinians to be resettled in Egypt and Jordan, a plan that both countries have rejected and the region’s largest Arab states have declared is a non-starter.

Trump said he would build up to six new sites for Palestinians to live outside Gaza, in effect permanent refugee camps underwritten by the US president.

Asked if Palestinians would have the right to return to Gaza, Trump told Baier: “No, they wouldn’t, because they’re going to have much better housing.

“Could be five, six, could be two,” he said. “But we’ll build safe communities, a little bit away from where they are, where all of this danger is.

“In other words, I’m talking about building a permanent place for them because if they have to return now, it’ll be years before you could ever – it’s not habitable,” he said.

No serious discussions have so far taken place in the Pentagon or the state department regarding how the US could legally or logistically handle the task proposed by Trump.

But the announcement was welcomed by Israel’s far-right settler movement, as well as their evangelical allies in the US who have endorsed the annexation of the Gaza Strip and other occupied Palestinian territories, including the West Bank.

“In the meantime, I would own this,” Trump said of Gaza. “Think of it as a real estate development for the future. It would be a beautiful piece of land. No big money spent.”

On Sunday, the UN’s top investigator on human rights, Navi Pillay, told Politico, a news website, that Trump’s plan for the “forcible displacement of an occupied group is an international crime, and amounts to ethnic cleansing”.

“There is no way under the law that Trump could carry out the threat to dislocate Palestinians from their land,” Pillay said.

More than 1.5 million Palestinians and their descendants who lost their homes during the 1948 Arab–Israeli war currently live in refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.
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As I said before on some other thread. He is not going to do it. What he will do is to either look the other side and let the Israeli do their work and then swoop in and buy off anything once they are done, he will not be the President then, and he set to make a lot of money by just look the other way.

The issue here is, most people say this is the way he "negotiates" Well, I have a master's degree in business, I believe I know a thing or 2 about how to negotiate business deal. And this is not how to negotiate anything.

First of all, you need an audience to negotiate, as in who are you talking to? In this case, there's only 3 parties. The American Public, the Isreali and the Gazan. So who are Trump talking to that would make sense to "Negotiate" by saying "I am going to come in and take everything" Certainly is not going to be the American public, we don't want to get into this, nobody in America (unless you are ultra pro-Israel) want to get into this, people elected him to solve the issue at home, not in the middle east, in fact, this is what he said he won't do and this is what he campaign on, giving two fingers to the middle east and pull the troop back. People want to get their eggs going back down to 3 dollars a carton, not about buying waterfront properties in Gaza that you may or may not go.

How about the Gazan or Hamas then? It works nothing, because for them, the Israeli are going to come in and take everything anyway, that's why they are fighting, I don't believe the Gazan would say "Ok, America, come take it, as long as you are not Israeli" That wouldn't make sense, it won't change the dynamic for Gazan and Hamas if it was US that want to take over not Isreal. So what are you going to do for negotiation? Maybe Trump promise some kickback to the Palestinian for them to leave? But then wouldn't the Israeli already had done that? So, nothing has change by threaten the Gazan of a US take over.

The only party that remotely spice the situation is Israel themselves, the only motivation of what I can see is if IDF is taking too long, they are going to lose that golden goose of the waterfront properties that the Israeli themselves wanted to make it a settlement. So basically for him to say that as a negotiation tool is only make sense if he want Israel to speed up the campaign.

The goal of what he said is quite obvious to intimidate Hamas and basically goad them into breaking the ceasefire. Because if you are Hamas, would you think it's okay for a US President to say they are going to come in and take your land after all these are over? You don't need to be a military genius to realise if this is the case, you would want to hold something back so when this happens, you don't just get caught with your pants down and thumb up your behind. You want to keep some hostage as bargaining chips. Because the only way Netanyahu can survive politically is when this war is on, and there is progress, that is the winning scenario for Netanyahu, because he would have lost in any other way, and this is literally what Trump just handed to him. A life line.

Trump won't go in and take Gaza, he will let Netanyahu go in and take Gaza, and then buy him off. That is what he probably was thinking from day 1
 
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Waiting for the Democrats to try and pull another stall tactic with her floor vote like they did with Patel.

If the Democrats are running scared now, once they shoot their last desperate wads to derail two highly qualified nominees, it is "game on, baby".
 
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