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Which is why I think it probably wasn't his call. Security required it so they dreamed up this Trump ballroom cover story thing.
Then whose call is it??

It's not the Senate nor Congress, and if it was not his call, then there isn't anyone who used the white house who needs this done. The only people left who use the white house are foreign dignitaries,

Are you suggesting there is a Deep State controlling the President and has him do it and cover it up?
 
Democrats need to learn from what Zohran and from what MAGA are doing. Always reaching out to people that may not vote for you now, but you will need them to support or at least not object to your policies down the line:

Always be campaigning (as Vaush mentioned in a recent YouTube video, doesn’t matter if your candidate or party had a good day or bad day, stand by your team and always be promoting); Keep pushing the Overton window your way, hoping the opposition stumbles and allows the shift to happen dramatically.

ABC always be closing
AIDA Attention, interest, decision, action
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More than this, Democrats need to start fighting back against the GOP agenda. The shutdown is the first positive step for them. People see the Democrats as more or less spinless against Trump, and that's the reason why Democrats is more unpopular than the GOP That's because people who are in the Democratic Party themselves don't think Democrats are working hard enough.

Another issue is that they need a clear leader or have an existing leader (Jefferies, Schumer) come up and rally the cause if they want to win, they lost a very good opportunties when last week during the No Kings protest for not coming out and start re-engaging the grassroot, there are discontent within people now, that's why protest like this start picking up, and I literally see everyone speaking in those rally, just not any democrats politician, who were the one that can do something about it.

Most Democratic Party misfortunes are self-inflicted, and for some reason, they still haven't changed the way they approach the people. Just Trump is shit is not going to get them re-elected.
 
You can build as many houses as you can, unless he is giving it out for free, or else who will have money to buy them?

You need job training and re-training to fill a vacancy; you can not just put a bunch of untrained people in their jobs. He can start a vacancy program, but the result, even if successful, is not going to be immediate.

The problem is not that people don't have a way to spend money; the problem is that everything is so expensive and nobody can afford anything. That put stress on people, and again, 75% of people said prices are rising; that's a lot, and you can't win an election when this number of people are telling you that you are doing it wrong. He needs to lower the price now, not next year, and I can't see how he can do it.

My family's business owns several strip malls, and our vacancy has gone up 20%. Shops are closing due to a loss of foot traffic and an unsustainable business environment. Let me say that in one of the strip malls, we had a well-run pub that has been an anchor business for the last 15 years, and it has closed its doors now. Now, it's a matter of time; others might close their doors.

On the insurance business side, when I spoke to my team, audits showed sales down 25-30% in the restaurant group and 10-15% in liquor retail establishments.

I do assess that if things do not turn around before the end of the year, next year, we can face lots of headwinds.
 
My family's business owns several strip malls, and our vacancy has gone up 20%. Shops are closing due to a loss of foot traffic and an unsustainable business environment. Let me say that in one of the strip malls, we had a well-run pub that has been an anchor business for the last 15 years, and it has closed its doors now. Now, it's a matter of time; others might close their doors.

On the insurance business side, when I spoke to my team, audits showed sales down 25-30% in the restaurant group and 10-15% in liquor retail establishments.

I do assess that if things do not turn around before the end of the year, next year, we can face lots of headwinds.
My family factory in California has seen a 30+% drop in orders, because we had to raise the price on some products since the steel we used came from China. That wasn't the worst problem, tho, this on-and-off discussion with China and the rest of the world means people like me are going to have a hard time trying to import things.

And it's always going to end up importing less than we need, because we simply don't know how much it will be costing us to import stuff when one day the tariff is 145% then the other is 38%, and now going back to a 130% tariff. A lot of people don't understand that I can't just order and ship it up if I don't know how much to pay, because we are running on an operational budget, I would much rather you tell me this is going to be 130%, no negotiation, that's the hard price bottom line, I can adjust my production to suit the import, instead, we spend 2 months in 2025 just watching, another 2 months importing, and now I only have 2 months worth of supply for the 6 months wait. How am I going to fulfill the order?

As I said, it's late October now, we aren't going to make the Thanksgiving and Christmas deadline, even if we order now, it's going to take 45 days to ship from China to the US, another 10 or so days to clear the customs and deliver to our stuff, while our business weren't affected that much with the slowdown of the traditional holiday shopping period, since we are making bedframe and fans and stuff that made from steel pipe, you don't get those surge you get from Black Friday or Boxing Day sales in the US, but I do know that a lot of importer is stuck at the same situation like us, and they do depends on that surge and it's honestly not coming, and that would create a cashflow problem, we'd already depleted our operational budget and dipped into our liquid asset, once that was done, I would say somewhere next June, we will have to close our factory in California.

We are on a very dangerous territory here, I mean, on one hand, we have a supply issue, on the other, we are losing business. We are basically heading into a death economic spiral.
 
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October 21, 2025
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Economic and demographic trends in the United States mirror those of other pre-revolutionary societies in the past.

The Red Cell series is published in collaboration with the Stimson Center. Drawing upon the legacy of the CIA’s Red Cell—established following the September 11 attacks to avoid similar analytic failures in the future—the project works to challenge assumptions, misperceptions, and groupthink with a view to encouraging alternative approaches to America’s foreign and national security policy challenges. For more information about the Stimson Center’s Red Cell Project, see here.


Red Cell

Charlie Kirk’s killing last month has sparked fears that the United States is headed to an all-out second civil war or revolution. According to a YouGov survey earlier this year, “more Americans than not believe it is likely that the United States will see a civil war over the next decade,” while several hundred political scientists and historians in an April 2025 survey saw the United States slipping into authoritarianism with Trump’s second term. Trump’s deployment of military and National Guard forces at home, combined with his vow to suppress “the enemy within” while his domestic advisor, Stephen Miller, labels the Democratic Party a “domestic extremist organization,” can easily be seen as setting the stage for an authoritarian takeover. Revolutions don’t come out of nowhere. Yet, the how and the when often come as surprises.

Political Violence Exploding

Even before the Kirk killing, the number of assassinations was climbing, according to the academic Peter Turchin’s US Political Violence Database (USPVDB). The five years from 2020 to 2024 saw seven assassinations, higher than the previous peak during the 1960s, although only half as large as that of the late 1860s.

Violent threats against lawmakers hit a record high last year. Since the 2020 election, state and local election officials have become targets of violent threats and harassment, as have federal judges, prosecutors, and other court officials. As of April, there have been more than 170 incidents of threats and harassment targeting local officials across nearly 40 states this year, according to data gathered for the Bridging Divides Initiative at Princeton University.

The Capitol Police investigated over 9,000 threats against members of Congress in 2024, a sharp rise from previous years. The Department of Homeland Security reported a rise in threats and harassment aimed at election workers during the 2024 election cycle. As fears of a political violence contagion grow, House leaders announced after the Kirk killing that Congressional members will get “$10,000 per month to cover personal security costs,” doubling the $5,000 currently available. The White House has also recently asked for “an additional $58 million in security funding for the executive and judicial branches.”

Right-Wing Violence More Prevalent

Both government and academic research have shown that the majority of extremist violence since 1994 has been linked to right-wing extremists. The Anti-Defamation League’s Center for Extremism indicated in its 2024 report that “All the extremist-related murders in 2024 were committed by right-wing extremists of various kinds.” In recent years, there has been a drop-off in Islamist-fueled violence domestically.

Yet, according to CSIS’s Warfare, Irregular Threats, and Terrorism Program, the first half of 2025 “was marked by an increase in left-wing terrorist attacks and plots.” Although less deadly historically than right-wing violence, recent left-wing killings—Luigi Mangione’s assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York City in December 2024, the fatal shooting of right-wing protester Aaron Danielson in Portland, Oregon, in August 2020, and possibly the Kirk murder—could signal a growing, broad-based conflict. By contrast, many left-wing extremist attacks in the 1990s and 2000s were tied to anarchist or environmental movements.

Most of the attackers, left-wing or right-wing, have acted as “lone wolves.” The United States is not the only country experiencing a rise in such attacks. According to the Institute for Economics and Peace, “In the West, terrorist incidents dropped significantly since their peak in 2017. However, the number of attacks has increased by 20 to 52 in 2024 when compared to the prior year. Attacks in the West peaked in 2017 with 176 attacks recorded.”

These “lone wolves” self-radicalize via online engagement rather than joining a group. According to Rachel Kleinfeld at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, “White-supremacist ideas, militia fashion, and conspiracy theories spread via gaming websites, YouTube channels, and blogs, while a slippery language of memes, slang, and jokes blurs the line between posturing and provoking violence, normalizing radical ideologies and activities.” A University of Chicago analysis of participants in the 2021 insurrection at the US Capitol found that these insurrectionists tended to be older than 1960s extremists and often held jobs and self-identified as Christians.

What’s also concerning about recent violence is its growing societal acceptance. Luigi Mangione, charged with the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, “has become a left populist folk hero,” according to Georgetown University’s Bruce Hoffman. Now, “Luigi: The Musical” is selling out, and terrorist organization flags fly at demonstrations and protests. Trump has “encouraged attendees at his rallies to ‘knock the hell’ out of protesters, praised a lawmaker who body-slammed a reporter, and defended and pardoned the rioters of January 6, 2021, who clamored to ‘hang Mike Pence.’”

It’s little wonder an American Psychological Association survey found that the 2024 election was a significant source of stress in Americans’ lives. More than 7 in 10 adults (72 percent) were worried the election results could lead to violence.

Losing Out

Kleinfeld believes the right-wing extremists are united by a belief that, as Christian white males, they are losing their “cultural power and status” to other groups, including women, ethnic minorities, and Black communities. There is strong evidence to reinforce their views. The 2020 census showed the United States was diversifying faster than anticipated. In 1980, white residents constituted almost 80 percent of the national population, with Black residents accounting for 11.5 percent, Latino or Hispanic residents at 6.5 percent, and Asian Americans at 1.8 percent.

By 2019, the decline of the white share had accelerated, losing almost 20 percentage points from 20 years earlier. By contrast, the shares of the Latino or Hispanic and Asian American populations grew to 18.5 percent and nearly 6 percent, respectively, while the Black share remained stable. Most significantly, for the under-16-year-olds, over 50 percent identified as a racial or ethnic minority.

On top of the actual changes that are shifting America from a majority white country to a majority minority one, there is a tendency to overestimate the percentage of the population that is Black or from an ethnic minority group. A nationwide 2022 YouGov America survey recorded that adult respondents believed that 41 percent of Americans are Black, when the figure is close to 12 percent. The findings from a 2016 academic psychology study of public attitudes in Western countries found that “the increasing diversity of the nation may actually yield more intergroup hostility.”

Fear of economic loss is also part of that hostility, and once again, those fears are not unfounded. Inequality has been growing in the United States at a faster rate than in other countries. There remains a huge wealth gap between whites and racial and ethnic minorities (except Asians) despite some gains by minorities. Harvard’s Raj Chetty has shown that children born in lower-income white families not only fell behind higher-income white peers but also their Black peers. Fewer were married, fewer had graduated from college, more have been incarcerated, and many face lower life expectancy than those who are wealthy and better educated.

Disadvantaged whites often see the world in zero-sum terms, blaming the success of other communities for their misfortune. According to a University of Chicago study of the 2021 Capitol insurrectionists, “Believing that Blacks and Hispanics are overtaking whites increases odds of being in the insurrectionist movement three-fold.” This is one reason for the popularity of Trump’s crusade against DEI (diversity, equality, and inclusion) among his base.

Cyclical Factors

Quantitative historians have examined the correlation between such factors as demography and inequality with societal breakdown. Peter Turchin, perhaps the best-known, places great emphasis on what he calls elite overproduction in the disintegration of advanced societies. As more and more people strive to improve their station, they find fewer openings at the top. Aristocratic privilege in ancien regime France prevented the rise of the bourgeoisie, while the gentry’s impoverishment in pre-revolutionary Russia radicalized figures like Vladimir Lenin.

In today’s United States, those same class divisions seem to be at work. A recent academic study has shown that “Children from families in the top 1 percent are more than twice as likely to be admitted and attend” an Ivy League university as those from middle-class families with comparable SAT/ACT scores. “Average wealth of the top 0.0001 per cent of the global population grew on average 7.1 per cent a year between 1987 and 2024, compared to 3.2 per cent for the average adult,” according to French researcher Gabriel Zucman.

Zucman also found that the top 400 wealthiest Americans had a total effective tax rate of 23.8 percent on their income, similar to the rate paid by the middle class. Middle-class children born in 1984 have struggled to attain better life outcomes than their parents, and only 50 percent succeed, compared to 90 percent born in 1940.

America has been here before. During the Gilded Age (1876–1900), the great industrialists or “robber barons” flaunted their wealth gained from monopolizing recent technological breakthroughs—railways, steel, and oil—widening the gap with the ordinary middle class and the poor. Like today, the two major parties were evenly divided, making it impossible to pass reforms. Immigration was at its height, as well as violence and discrimination against newcomers.

A populist party emerged among farmers and workers. Political violence also grew; one historian, Beverly Gage, has written that, “Left-wing radical and revolutionary groups—anarchists, syndicalists, Wobblies, militant trade unionists—erupted with remarkable frequency.” This turmoil culminated in the assassination of President William McKinley by self-proclaimed anarchist Leon Czolgosz.

Why didn’t this eruption of violence result in a widespread revolution? Most historians credit the Progressive Era and its numerous reforms with halting the drift toward revolution. Theodore Roosevelt, who assumed the presidency after McKinley, made reform a centerpiece of his administration. The Progressive Era witnessed improved labor conditions and workers’ rights, increased regulation of big business, the enactment of consumer protection laws, and the conservation of natural resources. By 1920, American women had gained the right to vote.

No Clear Pattern to How Revolutions Start

The self-immolation of a fruit seller in Tunisia was the spark that started the Arab Spring uprisings, overthrowing the Ben Ali and Mubarak regimes in Tunisia and Egypt. However, in the decade since, the Middle East still appears far from democracy. Revolutions don’t require mass rebellions. Germany and Italy slipped into fascism and dictatorship through electoral manipulation and political intimidation. The collapse of the Soviet Union was largely peaceful, triggered by a stagnant economy, the failure of Gorbachev’s reforms, and disunity among the Soviet republics.

Coups are the likeliest way for violent revolutions to start. Examples include the Bolshevik seizure of power in October 1917 and Franco’s war against Spain’s Second Republic in 1936. A contested election is sometimes the prelude, as happened in Myanmar when the military seized power after its side lost the 2020 election. Whether a coup succeeds or fails depends on the “presence of popular nonviolent mobilization.” According to the IMF, there has been a secular decline in coups. Still, many of the underlying factors that contribute to coups exist in the United States, such as political polarization and growing class divisions.

Is a Second American Revolution So Hard to Imagine?

According to the Pew Research Center, “Trust in our nation’s institutions has never been lower.” Only 22 percent of US adults said they trust the federal government to do the right thing most of the time, down from 77 percent six decades ago. It’s not just the federal government; Gallup reports that only 36 percent of people have trust in churches and organized religions, down from 65 percent in 1973. Over roughly the same time, trust in the medical system has fallen from 80 percent to 36 percent.” Trump’s MAGA base sees him as a savior rescuing America from its dysfunction and decline, and even some of Trump’s opponents are entranced by his energy in defying the usual political sluggishness. Revolutions start when the old order becomes part of the problem.

Trump’s unprecedented deployment of the military to counter crime in US cities is a move that risks undermining the military’s position a politically neutral actor. At the recent military offsite, Trump told the military chiefs that they should be prepared to battle “the enemy within,” an ominous phrase with a fraught history. Moreover, Trump’s pardoning of the protesters who invaded the Capitol sends a dangerous signal, since it effectively sanctions an attempted coup. Not ignoring the warning signs is the first step toward preventing coups and revolutions.
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It won't in a couple of years.

I was talking to a friend I went to College with a couple of months back, we are study partners in our Political Science course at CU Boulder, we were talking about the state of Political affairs in the US.

I was talking to him about the political landscape and why Democrats seem reluctant to challenge the GOP on several different issues. There was virtually no pushback on the One Big Beautiful Bill and no pushback on the different foreign policy.

What he said is something to think about. The current political climate is going to push the population further to the left in the next election cycle. This is the generic Ballot for the 2026 mid-term, as per Real Clear Politics. (Real Clear is one of the right-leaning poll organisations)


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If things stand, 1 year from now, Democrats are going to retake the Congress and Senate. So what's the deal? The deal is, according to my friend, Left is basically going to use everything Trump used to push the agenda further to the left. What Trump is doing is setting up the Playbook for the Democrats to use when they come back into Power. 2026 is most likely going to be worse than 2025. Which means if the GOP loses the 2028 Presidency, we are looking very closely to become China. Look at the socialist candidate rise up in the differnet races, when they come back to Power, you are going to see Dem Presdient hitting Executive Order like Trump did and since SCOTUS sided with most of Trump Executive Order, they can't go back and revert it, once you have a judgment, that's judgement is set, up can't come back and re-judge the case and rule the otherway. It would be even worse if Democrats managed to get 2/3 of either House or Senate or both.

So there are two possible scenarios. Either Trump goes full dictatorship and cancels the 2026 and 2028 elections, he IS going to lose both at the way things are going, this is not going to end well for him if he does that, or he kept on going and loses 2026 (very likely) and 2028 (Somehow likely) and Dem went on full dictatorship mode and heavily susppress the Conservative. The problem is, Trump can't dismantle the entire guard rail for Political Independence in these 4 years, which means he can only issue an Executive Order, which can be reverted once he leaves office, but if the Dem come back and win in 2028, everything is going to be done, depending on how much sway they had in the office. That's not going to end well for the Conservative. So 4 years of that if they win, the possibility of a revolution was there.
 
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More than this, Democrats need to start fighting back against the GOP agenda. The shutdown is the first positive step for them. People see the Democrats as more or less spinless against Trump, and that's the reason why Democrats is more unpopular than the GOP That's because people who are in the Democratic Party themselves don't think Democrats are working hard enough.

Another issue is that they need a clear leader or have an existing leader (Jefferies, Schumer) come up and rally the cause if they want to win, they lost a very good opportunties when last week during the No Kings protest for not coming out and start re-engaging the grassroot, there are discontent within people now, that's why protest like this start picking up, and I literally see everyone speaking in those rally, just not any democrats politician, who were the one that can do something about it.

Most Democratic Party misfortunes are self-inflicted, and for some reason, they still haven't changed the way they approach the people. Just Trump is shit is not going to get them re-elected.
You’re right. They need new leadership that can meet the moment. But I find it better that they have not slapped together someone as a placeholder; until they have their response to Trump thought out. Which is why post the NYC election, I suspect they will do an autopsy and have the energized new leadership give them the kind of feedback to if not shift their policies, learn how to shift their messaging.

Considering inflation is set to spike next year, running against policies that exacerbate inflation and running for policies that make building more housing and making health insurance for as many as possible more economically viable is a sure fire way to win voters. If MAGA voters can be won over with nostalgia for America of the later 50’s and early 60s, I suspect democrats who may be banking more younger voter turnout, as in NYC, could employ nostalgia for the 90s; America’s unipolar moment. Millennials miss it and many Gen. Z seem envious that they were born too late to experience it.

For older voters, it was a period in their earlier career or midlife, where they were personally in the prime of their life.

For foreign policy, it was about American magnanimity helping to get Rabin and Arafat to agree to a two state solution.

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Thank you kind sir. I saw this thread last night and was mulling over an advisory. Perhaps now is time.

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You’re right. They need new leadership that can meet the moment. But I find it better that they have not slapped together someone as a placeholder; until they have their response to Trump thought out. Which is why post the NYC election, I suspect they will do an autopsy and have the energized new leadership give them the kind of feedback to if not shift their policies, learn how to shift their messaging.

Considering inflation is set to spike next year, running against policies that exacerbate inflation and running for policies that make building more housing and making health insurance for as many as possible more economically viable is a sure fire way to win voters. If MAGA voters can be won over with nostalgia for America of the later 50’s and early 60s, I suspect democrats who may be banking more younger voter turnout, as in NYC, could employ nostalgia for the 90s; America’s unipolar moment. Millennials miss it and many Gen. Z seem envious that they were born too late to experience it.

For older voters, it was a period in their earlier career or midlife, where they were personally in the prime of their life.

For foreign policy, it was about American magnanimity helping to get Rabin and Arafat to agree to a two state solution.

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I think the Democrats were doing this for a reason; they don't want to repeat what 2024 did to them. People think Harris was parachuted in as the leader. Still, we will never know, it may actually be better if the Democrats run Biden that late in the election cycle instead, because Dem voters don't think Harris was their choice, as they elected Biden in the Primary, not Harris. So I am not going to be surprised at all if Dem did not have a clear leader until 28' Primary. The issue is, you can still push back the narrative using the existing leader; it's going to be bad optics if you have Gavin Newsom basically work harder than any of the house democrats.

On the other hand, Dem would need to settle on another issue, whether or not they target independent voters. Or claw back the 2020 Democrats voters who lost faith in 2024, because both sides want different things. Dems want to address in Equality Issue, the Environment issue, and the social issue, while Independents want things that are more on the surface, it's about cost of living, work, and public infrastructure. Those two groups wanted different things, and in a perfect world, they should be able to cater to both, but I don't think they can in this election cycle, which means they had to pick, whether or not to go with a more Democratic policy or run an "appealing" to independent policy.

Would have to say, it's a lot easier to focus on independent issue rather than democrats own issue, because most of Trump policy is destroying the independent, I don't see any MAGA group can be sway, maybe the farmers as they are doing dirty by Trump (Trump is literally killing the US farmer from what I was told) so priority would be repeal the OBBB (They only need 51% not supermajority to do that, so if they won the congress, they can) and then revert the Tariff Policy, if SCOTUS decided not to rule them unconstitutional. That would most likely be enough to at least stop the inflation going, but this is not going to drop, to make it drop, it's going to be more work to do, especially you need to come up with Health Care and Bottom Line protection (which means reworking the social benefits scheme), this is going to be harder because Turmp would veto it even if theypass a bill and it going to need supermajority to do, or they can wait until they elect a dem president in 28.

It would be a lot harder to try to claw back the Democratic voter because you would need to go over the supermajority to do social reform, things like the National Abortion Right (to deal with Roe v Wade) or reforming the SCOTUS, that really depends on how much Dem can claw back in house and senate seat, it will be a lot easier just to wait for a dem president in 28 and then get EO out like Trump did to further the social policy.

This is not going to change much in the Foreign Policy front. Trump is not a good politician, so whatever the Democrats do would be better than what Trump did. Which is not bombing Venezuela or maybe reign in support of Netanyahu, but I don't see a giant shift from US foreign policy direction.
 
Either Trump goes full dictatorship and cancels the 2026 and 2028 elections,

oh come on..that is ridiculous and has a zero percent chance of happening...everybody please see post #2 to understand why polls are showing such an increase in irrational thinking.

BTW I didn't vote for Trump. I'm a part of moderate America who thinks the US should throw everybody in the extreme right and left into the ocean for being such constant troublemakers. While Trump is certainly far Right I don't think he has done much other than try and undo some far Left stuff...like soft illegal immigration enforcement and filling the government with agency jobs we can't afford.
 
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oh come on..that is ridiculous and has a zero percent chance of happening...everybody please see post #2 to understand why polls are showing such an increase in irrational thinking.

BTW I didn't vote for Trump. I'm a part of moderate America who thinks the US should throw everybody in the extreme right and left into the ocean for being such constant troublemakers. While Trump is certainly far Right I don't think he has done much other than try and undo some far Left stuff...like soft illegal immigration enforcement and filling the government with agency jobs we can't afford.
Well, if you tell me Trump is going to use an executive order to the extreme (3 times more than Executive Order Biden already) before the term in January, I would tell you to get out of here.

Nothing is zero chance in this day and age. Remember I said if Dems win in 2028, we will go a full China? People on the left would tell me the chance of Democrats going full socialist is zero, the same way you are doing now, but I can tell you, 66% of Dem are more favorable to socialism than capitalism. So, can you tell me this would be zero?

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I am not scared of Trump becoming a full dictator; he is not going to last long as a dictator if he ever becomes one. People hate the guy. The problem is, the chance of GOP is going to win 2026 is next to zero (again, never say never but chances are not good), and 2026 is going to be heading upwind and unless some miracle happen and Trump able to turn this around before 2026, GOP is going to lose the Presidency in 2028, if that happen, the Dem will use everything Trump did to go up against the Conservative, Trump is laying the ground work on centralise government power, he can't get the full ride before he is out tho, there are still alot of guardrail in place, AND, this is the MOST important bit, SCOTUS is on Trump side, and if come 28, Dem win the Presidential Election, then SCOTUS is against the government, and we will see a lot more strong hand regarding the fight between the Judicary branch and the Executive Branch.

Think about what Trump did now, he is using his executive order cutting over the illegal immigrants, he is cutting over the government, think about what Democrats can use what Trump uses against them, especially if Trump wins the 14th Amendment suit with SCOTUS, nothing, and I mean NOTHING is going to be off the table, Second Amendment? Gone, all you need is a few mass shootings (which are going to happen), and 2A will be restricted or wiped out by executive order. 1A with religion? Gone, all you need is some A-hole doing some anti-government stuff using right-wing ideology, and/or religious background. By then, all the guardrails are gone, the government was trimmed (by Trump) the only thing we can do is to fight the government. I am not concerned at all that Trump refusing 26 or 28 would lead to civil war, if he had done that, people would have 25 his ass. What I am afraid of is if and when the Democrats retake the government, they would have no control, then we WILL have a civil war.

Plus, Trump had not done ANYTHING at all, the economy is worse, foreign policy is worse, cost of living is worse. The only thing Trump did is to piss off the farmers (who 87% vote for him), and now 1 in 3 farmers in America is facing bankruptcy, and he pissed off the Muslim by supporting Israel, America is NOT going to get better just because you kick out all the illegal alien, it's going to get worse, not better, and you can't just run on "see how secure the border are now" when people are eating shit and nothing on the shelve and have no job to do. This is the America we are heading now.

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I am not scared of Trump becoming a full dictator; he is not going to last long as a dictator

I suppose you also think Anthony Albanese, Christopher Luxon, Mark Carney, Keir Starmer, and Emmanuel Macron on a whim can snap their fingers and suddenly expect to be dictators??

Everybody in the country immediately just drops everything and falls in line like sheep?
This is supposed to be rational thinking?

Or is this more attributable to "OMG the other party won...how is this possible...so obviously the sky is falling..we are all sooooo doomed..I'm moving out of the country before they brand a number on my arm and the Gestapo comes to get me and put me in a concentration camp after ICE is done with illegals".
 
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