US Political News and Trump’s China visit

[SaadH]

There will never be a civil war when both sides serve the same master, i.e. zionist oligarchy and one side is paid to lose, i.e. the Genocidemocrats...

People are sheep and are easily manipulated and will never rise up against their tormentors.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

yep , this stuff is basically just modern day slavery , just like in middle eastern countries .

It's a disgrace.
Farmer: Hmm..nobody wants to work in the fields for peanuts..what do we do.

Politician: Let's just sneak in the unskilled from the South

US Citizen: But they wont be making a living wage and will probably be living in poverty.

Politician: So what.

 

[hasssanali8998]

There will never be a civil war when both sides serve the same master, i.e. zionist oligarchy and one side is paid to lose, i.e. the Genocidemocrats...

People are sheep and are easily manipulated and will never rise up against their tormentors.

idk man , civil wars start with common folk and i dont see aipac controlling them

 

[j_hungary]

There is no valid reason for farmers to be hiring illegal farm workers. None.

That is what the H-2A program was established for.

lol, do you even know what is the requirements are to hire an H-2A? Have you ever sponsored someone with an H-2A or any other visa? Well, I had

To sponsor someone H-2A, you need to first pay the DOL (Department of Labor) rate, then you need to pay for the guarantee, or what we call a "three-fourth guarantee" (which guarantees you have the money to pay for the worker you sponsor). This had TO BE upfront, then you pay for their visa fee, body check fee, police check fee, then you pay for their train fare or airfare to fly them over, and pay for health care, lodging (Yes, you pay to house them too, unless you have a spare room at your farm state) and when they are done, you also need to pay airfare or train fare for them to go home, as well as other expense such as Holiday pays and other expense. The only thing they paid for during the entire stay was their clothes and food; that's the money you don't pay.

If you ever sponsored anyone, you would know you would be out tens of thousands of dollars before they even set foot on your field. For a family farm, you are talking about tens of thousands of profit margin in a good year, in a bad year, you fork out money even after you get USDA subsidies. And you are talking like it's our fault that we hire illegal because we are a bunch of cheap skates with dollar signs shining in our eyes..

Don't tell me there is "no reason" to hire illegal when an appropriate visa category is there. Not every farmer is a big co-op farm that can chalk up all those corporate expenses; that's why there is a reason why 40% of farm workers in the US are illegal in 2024, and that's a fact.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

lol, do you even know what is the requirements are to hire an H-2A? Have you ever sponsored someone with an H-2A or any other visa? Well, I had

To sponsor someone H-2A, you need to first pay the DOL (Department of Labor) rate, then you need to pay for the guarantee, or what we call a "three-fourth guarantee" (which guarantees you have the money to pay for the worker you sponsor). This had TO BE upfront, then you pay for their visa fee, body check fee, police check fee, then you pay for their train fare or airfare to fly them over, and pay for health care, lodging (Yes, you pay to house them too, unless you have a spare room at your farm state) and when they are done, you also need to pay airfare or train fare for them to go home, as well as other expense such as Holiday pays and other expense. The only thing they paid for during the entire stay was their clothes and food; that's the money you don't pay.

If you ever sponsored anyone, you would know you would be out tens of thousands of dollars before they even set foot on your field.

Don't tell me there is "no reason" to hire illegal when an appropriate visa category is there. Not every farmer is a big co-op farm that can chalk up all those corporate expenses, that's why there is a reason why 40% of farm workers in the US are illegal in 2024, and that's a fact.

Remind me again how long you served in the Army and then as a street cop?

As I posted above, Mrs. AZ has forgotten more about the program than most people are going to know.

 

[j_hungary]

Remind me again how long you served in the Army and then as a street cop?

As I posted above, Mrs. AZ has forgotten more about the program than most people are going to know.

What does that have to do with anything? If you want to say I made all these up, just say it, either show me where I am lying or where I was wrong; otherwise, I am not really interested in this "I am an expert and you are not" or you must be lying BS.

Or ask your wife to talk to me, I don't understand this "my wife is XYZ" which makes me have the right to question you, again, go ask your missus and then talk to me, I don't consider you know anything about farming and cattling, which means what you said mean nothing to me.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

What does that have to do with anything? If you want to say I made all these up, just say it, either show me where I am lying or where I was wrong; otherwise, I am not really interested in this "I am an expert and you are not" or you must be lying BS.

Not accusing you of anything. As I said, Mrs. AZ is very familiar with the program because she managed it for her company. If that bothers you, so be it. No skin from my back.

I'm genuinely curious as to how long you served and then as a street cop.

 

[j_hungary]

Not accusing you of anything. As I said, Mrs. AZ is very familiar with the program because she managed it for her company. If that bothers you, so be it. No skin from my back.

I'm genuinely curious as to how long you served and then as a street cop.

My wife is an immigration lawyer; she has done it more than ten thousand times (approximately). That's why I made those applications, because she would have had to do it for us, seeing my dad only sold the farm last decade, we had been taking care of his business for him for at least 2 decades.

As for how long I served in both, I had already talked about that many, many times. If you really want to know, go look up my history or ask around.

 

[SABRE]

oh come on..that is ridiculous and has a zero percent chance of happening...everybody please see post #2 to understand why polls are showing such an increase in irrational thinking.

BTW I didn't vote for Trump. I'm a part of moderate America who thinks the US should throw everybody in the extreme right and left into the ocean for being such constant troublemakers. While Trump is certainly far Right I don't think he has done much other than try and undo some far Left stuff...like soft illegal immigration enforcement and filling the government with agency jobs we can't afford.

I have visited the US twice. First in 1997 and then in 2011. In 1997 I was way too young to have any political, cultural, and societal takeaways but it was fun trip, restricted to NYC, D.C./Virginia, and Orlando. I was apprehensive about visiting in 2011 since OBL situation was still fresh and warm. But destiny had written the visit on stone slab and I am glad I visited. I saw the US (California, D.C., and Georgia) outside of the CNN and Fox News. People were unexpectedly friendly and highly accommodating. My takeaway is, Americans are different people when not political. Perhaps, they are "moderate" in your wording(?).

Having said that, I don't think there is revolution in the offing. But I do see the great divide widening further, which I would say is the law of the diminishing return of liberal democracy. Political opposition in liberal democratic societies is no longer principle based but opposition-for-the-sake-of-opposition and niche voter appeasement, even if partisans don't agree with the niche sector of the society.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

My wife is an immigration lawyer, that's why I made those applications, because she would have had to do it for us, seeing my dad only sold the farm last decade, we had been taking care of his business for him.

As for how long I served in both, I had already talked about that many, many times. If you really want to know, go look up my history or ask around.

I've no desire to do either.

Now I will return to topic before I have to issue myself a warning.

Have a good day.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I have visited the US twice. First in 1997 and then in 2011. In 1997 I was way too young to have any political, cultural, and societal takeaways but it was fun trip, restricted to NYC, D.C./Virginia, and Orlando. I was apprehensive about visiting in 2011 since OBL situation was still fresh and warm. But destiny had written the visit on stone slab and I am glad I visited. I saw the US (California, D.C., and Georgia) outside of the CNN and Fox News. People were unexpectedly friendly and highly accommodating. My takeaway is, Americans are different people when not political. Perhaps, they are "moderate" in your wording(?).

Having said that, I don't think there is revolution in the offing. But I do see the great divide widening further, which I would say is the law of the diminishing return of liberal democracy. Political opposition in liberal democratic societies is no longer principle based but opposition-for-the-sake-of-opposition and niche voter appeasement, even if partisans don't agree with the niche sector of the society.

There is no revolution in the offing. Just a lot of unhappy people taking to social media to vent their frustrations. On both side of the aisle.

Come to my house sometime. I'd just as soon sit around while grilling burgers and watch the pronghorn graze than talk about politics. I'm more of the "just leave me alone" type. I hate the news; they all spin what they are reporting.

 

[SABRE]

There is no revolution in the offing. Just a lot of unhappy people taking to social media to vent their frustrations. On both side of the aisle.

Come to my house sometime. I'd just as soon sit around while grilling burgers and watch the pronghorn graze than talk about politics. I'm more of the "just leave me alone" type. I hate the news; they all spin what they are reporting.

Those wouldn't be pronghorn burgers, would it?

My motto is, when politics is depressing watch cartoons. Dexter's Laboratory and Power Puff Girls fix a lot of broken things inside a person's mind, or at least mine

 

[j_hungary]

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Dude, I just like how you people think farmers are a bunch of greedy bastards without knowing anything. Probably true if you are talking about giant co-op farm, which is when it's JD Vance or the Bank that owns your farm. Family farmer is probably one of the most honest people on earth.

Farming in the US is NOT a business; a lot of farms didn't make any profit from their work, because the USDA requirement means we need to make food accessible and cheap, which means we don't actually turn a profit. After all, USDA constantly flood our market, overstocking 30% for one, propagating US Federal Program (such as SNAP) is another, you need around $3 a bushel for corn to make profit, we are selling it around $3.75, and those poor soybean farmer need appoximately $10 a bushel to make even, and the co-op price is at 9.3, they lost 70cent per bushel, which mean about $100 an acre, which mean if you have a 600 acre farm, which is a nice medium size farm, you lose $60,000 per harvest.

A lot of farmer I personally know, including my dad, want to do the right thing, but the right thing means we will need to do all the work without profit, and farming is not exactly crushy job, you plow your field anyday, and everyday regardless of how hot it is and how rainy it gets, sometime you get tractor stuck in the mud and all those are part of the job, it's going to be every summer you lay the field, and every autumn you harvest, you don't work, you don't get nothing, and then you spend winter fixing everything and spring prepping the field, fallow it so you can rent it out for cattle raising, so we can supply the Amercian with their cheap corn, rice, starch, cooking oil and stuff.

And then you have people who don't want to work in this field, you can't hire nobody, I mean, I don't blame them, I don't want to work on my family farm myself, and that's the majority of the reason why my dad sell the farm, becuase I am not interested in it, and my brother is not interested in it, and he is getting too old for it. So you tell me what should farmer do?

 

[SolarWarden]

It's a disgrace.
Farmer: Hmm..nobody wants to work in the fields for peanuts..what do we do.

Politician: Let's just sneak in the unskilled from the South

US Citizen: But they wont be making a living wage and will probably be living in poverty.

Politician: So what.

This is why the US needs to invest in roboting farming. Americans don't want to pick fruits and veggies even if paid $20 an hour.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

This is why the US needs to invest in roboting farming. Americans don't want to pick fruits and veggies even if paid $20 an hour.

I think the agriculture business is like legacy auto...they aren't interested in change.