US Political News and Trump’s China visit

[hasssanali8998]

Dude, I just like how you people think farmers are a bunch of greedy bastards without knowing anything. Probably true if you are talking about giant co-op farm, which is when it's JD Vance or the Bank that owns your farm. Family farmer is probably one of the most honest people on earth.

i am not talking about family farms , i know farming causes the highest suicide rate in the US out of any job .
i am talking about these mega farms + large scale family farms( owned by banks or corporations ) where most of the American produce comes form

 

[j_hungary]

It's a disgrace.
Farmer: Hmm..nobody wants to work in the fields for peanuts..what do we do.

Politician: Let's just sneak in the unskilled from the South

US Citizen: But they wont be making a living wage and will probably be living in poverty.

Politician: So what.

Do you want to pay $5.50 per bushel for corn? Or do you want to pay $4 a bushel? becuase that's how much we pay in Australia

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Do you even know USDA subsidises US commodities (probably not in this admin) that's why you don't pay the food price here in Australia. Which is on average 20% more expensive than you can buy them in the US.

You are talking about a working environment is harsher than a paper route, you spend
8 hours a day outside working the tread, working the field, and working with a tractor, seeder, and whatnot. It's hard work, man, and you got pay what? Less than a burger flipper from McDonald's, because who do you think pays for that 20% you don't pay as a consumer?

And now with Trump fucked over the farmer, China buying 0 beans this year, 30 percent less corn, and we had a 30% surplus of beans, where do you suppose we sell them? Do you know how to make soybean drink? How to make Tofu?

And H-2A........LOL, that was a joke, sure, it make sense if you have a 5000 acre superfarm, or you had 10 different farm that you own, where you can thin out expenses, it does not make sense to family farm, which is over half of what US farming industry made of, how am I going to pay tens of thousands of dollars to sponsor a worker to work on our field? When we ourselves made $50,000 at most, and almost all of it went into next year's rotation buying seed, potash, and fuel for machinery, not into our pockets.

 

[j_hungary]

i am not talking about family farms , i know farming causes the highest suicide rate in the US out of any job .
i am talking about these mega farms + large scale family farms( owned by banks or corporations ) where most of the American produce comes formView attachment 155849

Large-scale family farm is not a mega farm, Mega Farm is the one that produces 17% of product in your graph, large-scale family farm is more like a plantation in the South, usually dual use (had both corps and cattle) they are still a family farm, just you get a larger acerage than mid-size family farm, IIRC if you have a 1000 acre plus farm and over 1 mil gross, you are a large scale family farm, my farm would have been mid-size, and then you have hobby farm and organic farming made up the rest.

Family Farms: The Backbone of U.S. Agriculture | Farms.com

This guy runs a Large Scale Family Farm in TN. Look at how he explain things.

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[hasssanali8998]

Large-scale family

they are family in name only , they are like multi million dollar family run corporation . not your small family farms

 

[lightning f57]

All I know is we need more organic farming and the smaller farms need help. The glyphosates are creating major health issues. In 20 to 30 years from now it wont be revolution which kills the US it will be major health issues.

 

[j_hungary]

they are family in name only , they are like multi million dollar family run corporation . not your small family farms

I have updated my post after I looked up the USDA definition of Large Scale Family farm

Again, this guy runs one. Look at what he said

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Large-scale family farm usually only means you are big enough to rotate your crops (So you have 2 or more field instead of 1) and cater to both crops and cattle, the ownership structure is the same, and also, corporate farm usually targets a smaller individual farm, sure, are there bad people who take advantage from other in big family farm, sure, but most of them just the same as us, if we grew instead of selling, we too will become large scale family farm. It's just the degree of business is the difference.

 

[SaadH]

idk man , civil wars start with common folk and i dont see aipac controlling them

AIPAC is just a front, the zionist biliionaires and trillionaires who control all levers of power in the country including the deep state, have quite successfully convinced those earning $25-30/hour that the pesky migrant earning $10-15/hour is the problem and not the oligarchy that's robbing everyone blind.

 

[j_hungary]

All I know is we need more organic farming and the smaller farms need help. The glyphosates are creating major health issues. In 20 to 30 years from now it wont be revolution which kills the US it will be major health issues.

Most small farms don't use pesticides/insecticide; it's a lot more expensive than just burning the affected area. You use crop rotation, barrier farming (like fencing, cover, and stuff to stop the spread) for a smaller farm, a larger farm, it's harder-to-control then you would need insecticide because it would be too expensive to do otherwise.

Man, all these farm talks just triggered me, probably need to calm down.

 

[nahtanbob]

That is absolutely not true.

just double checked, it seems to be partially true, but only on a state level, and only partially covered, not fully.

It's related to California's sanctuary policies, and makes sense, as it's agricultural sector relies heavily on undocumented workers (similar to most red states, whom are now facing collapse of their agricultural sectors).

The vast majority of illegal immigrants do not work in farming.

Agriculture is a small portion of the California economy. There are visa schemes by which some of the farm workers are imported on visas and sent back once the harvest season is over

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Do you want to pay $5.50 per bushel for corn? Or do you want to pay $4 a bushel? becuase that's how much we pay in Australia
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I bet the same issue was with cotton 165 years ago. Perpetually kicking the cotton can down the road by acting like everything was perfectly fine doesn’t solve problems.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Moderator Reminder:

The topic is "Is the US headed for a revolution?"

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Those wouldn't be pronghorn burgers, would it?

My motto is, when politics is depressing watch cartoons. Dexter's Laboratory and Power Puff Girls fix a lot of broken things inside a person's mind, or at least mine

No but since you asked the question, pronghorn is good but elk? Oh, let me tell you, an elk burger is excellent.

 

[FuturePAF]

Back to the future of the Democrat party; can’t be afraid to go on opposition media and say your piece, especially if you hope to try to win over people in the decisive middle, as Mamdani has been showing:

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Being your true unapologetic self, and asking your fellow citizens to judge you on the content of your character:

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[j_hungary]

The vast majority of illegal immigrants do not work in farming.

Agriculture is a small portion of the California economy. There are visa schemes by which some of the farm workers are imported on visas and sent back once the harvest season is over

Dude, I just should you 40% of roughly 30 million farmer are illegal, that's 12 million illegal working in farming industry in 2024, how many illegal do you think there are that 12 million in a single industry is not a majority?

Can you show me data that suggest what you said here? Or you are just blowing air?

 

[j_hungary]

I bet the same issue was with cotton 165 years ago. Perpetually kicking the cotton can down the road by acting like everything was perfectly fine doesn’t solve problems.

First of all, cotton is cash crop, that's different. You grow cash crop for profit, it's like coffee. That's why coffee price jacked up 30% now, while wheat and soy bean price are below market rate. But assuming you don't know that much about farming, not knowing that is completely fine

Second of all, do you know why we had a civil war in 1865? And why plantation need slave?

Those two are very different. And as I said, either USDA don't push on the farmer to sell below market price, or as I said many post ago in a different thread, they slimline and make H-2A easier and less expensive to apply, I don't see any way they will stop hiring illegal. Either that, or they pack it up like my Dad when the next generation don't care that much about farming. Considering even I detested it and I went thru a proper farming community, I joined the FFA and local farming union, and I don't want to work at a farm, how do you convince everyday American to work that hard for a worse paid.