US to soon initiate Military support to Pakistan along with bi-lateral Trade growth, the Economist report

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Raja baba you are overly optimistic about this latest bonding between the 2 countries. Trump is like a chameleon changing his colours. Take it with a gr

Pakistanis are smart people. Yes, 90's sanctions came unannounced. But we learned from them.

We are keeping our enemy at bay with less than 10% of the budget. India's is $80 billion, Pakistan was at $7 billion until 2025. It's near impossible for countries to even imagine what we've accomplished, EVEN with on and off sanctions from the US.

An example is, when we bought the Block 52, we acquired enough AMRAAMS that even if sanctions are repeated, we'll be fine for a full war, or for many years to come. The SAME F-16's are flying with the same AMRAAMS today with a second tier deterrence and no issues in maintenance. We have near 500 of them and more sidewinders.

Just like that, if we get the F-16's upgraded again, we'll acquire enough support equipment and new BVR missiles that they will last for another Ten years. Turkey is working on Gokdogan and Gokbora BVR weapons similar to Meteor, they are plug and play on F-16s so we will use those in the future also.

This time, the situation is different, Pakistan's minerals will run American electronics industry and it's tech supremacy. Right now China provides these for 90% of the US use. So the US will have a dependency on Pakistan and both nations will be doing business in many domains. Americans don't sanction where they are earning profits. Simple.

ain of potohar pink salt

F-16s have been useless fr Pakistan due to American resistance on using them against India. It's been Chinese hardware that's proven vital for Pakistani defense.

This approach by the Americans with so-called military goodies... Is only being offered to wean us off of Chinese hardware and dependence... Back to American dependency.

 

[Starlord]

That's how I was thinking too. But with careful analysis, my thoughts have changed.

If the nature of US-Pak relationship will play how it seems, long term, trade and business, US wanting Pakistan be the alternative supplier than China on Rare Earths, this creates a dependency on Pakistan. That's real long term.

So thinking this entire landscape, two possibilities. Short term:
1) Obvious purchase of anti-terror ops equipment, like Night Vision, Sniper equipment, MRAPV's, some drones low to medium level.

2) Obvious upgrades of F-16 and Pakistan getting AMRAAM D-1's? They will offer C-8's, but getting D-1 would be on negotiations, we have the PL-15 battle tested, result generated, so why need a lower tier missile? They won't give the D-3's to anyone so best outcome D-1's.

We start our trade relationship on Oil, Rare Earth's, Gold, Copper, etc. A few years from now, let's say 2030 or 2031, this trade relationship and oil, mineral business hits $ 50-100 billion with US annually. The US would want us to give them weapons business also. So even F-35's may be on the table to replace the F-16's.

The US would be moving onto NGAD by then.

US always see Pakistan from the lens of other countries, be it Afghanistan or India or China, its either US stubbornness or our poor Leadership your guess is good as mine, there is always a Geopolitical event or shift that drives our relationship with US which is a sad commentary in itself.

I think we should not waste time/resources in investing or ordering any high end systems from US, I mean today we have trump in power, what if in 4 years we have a Democrat Govt? they are always the Anti Pakistan ones, and sanction Pakistan using things like Democracy, human rights violations Blah Blah. So if lets say we put down some hard earn money of Pakistani's for lets say new 18 F-16V's who guarantee's that those will be delivered even when the Govt changes in DC ? remember what we get for F-16's we order last time ? Aataa!!!!

I also think we should ask US to invest in things like Oil exploration, energy, IT , Transportations, real state, maybe like a Dam or 2, US and Israel's influence of US is something we should be vary off, US personnel their equipment can be used for intel gathering which Israel will have full access too, and Give Israel's leadership openly naming Pakistan as a "Threat" to Israel existence we need to be extremely careful on what we buy and where that stuff goes in Pakistan, we don't want too much US influence as it will p!ss of only decent Friend we have left aka China.

As for future, its very uncertain for anyone, no one thought of a Genocide in 21st century with social media, and information age but here we are, Russia invaded Ukraine to protect its own interest, AZ/AR war , Indo-Pak Clash 2019-2025, Thailand/Cambodia, and so many flash points triggering regional instability, lets just work on ending Terrorism from Pakistan, Allah help us from the Pushtoon/Baloch and give them some hidayat to correct their course rather than just uncivilized tools to be played by RAW's and CIA's to blow shit up in Pakistan, bring Political stability in Pakistan, slowly gradually work on improving economy, and deal with US on purely on trade, keep the military corporation to minimum.

 

[Distant_Observer]

F-16s have been useless fr Pakistan due to American resistance on using them against India. It's been Chinese hardware that's proven vital for Pakistani defense.

This approach by the Americans with so-called military goodies... Is only being offered to wean us off of Chinese hardware and dependence... Back to American dependency.

We don't need military goods or military assistance from US.

We just want diplomatic and economic parity with India so Pakistan gets a fair chance at capturing US trade.

This is the quickest route to $100 billion + exports than grinding it out with smaller countries waiting for them to be ready to up their demand.

 

[Yasser76]

18 new Vs plus upgrading the current 18 C/Ds to V would make sense. Consideirng the investment we have already made.

2 Sqds of Vs would be great back up for anti-drone missions but also keep IAF guessing if it will be a PL-15 or AIM-120 C8/D that is about to hit them

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

F-16s have been useless fr Pakistan due to American resistance on using them against India. It's been Chinese hardware that's proven vital for Pakistani defense.

This approach by the Americans with so-called military goodies... Is only being offered to wean us off of Chinese hardware and dependence... Back to American dependency.

american military equipment will be useless for Pakistan now. Especially since we won't be given the source codes. EVERYTHING we need militarily we can get from China. america has nothing to offer Pakistan.

 

[RajaBaja]

Trade , investment in minerals and energy etc . All are sideshows...... recent bonhomie between America and Pakistan is all about middle East , Iran and CARs ...PDFers live in a parallel universe, self flagging is their favourite pass time...... Pakistan, despite her myriad problems is sitting at the big boys table ...... Pakistan is second fiddle to no one, not America and not China..... Pakistan is carving out her own sphere of influence , so far Pakistan is doing pretty well.

A few things have happened very rapidly this year and its only August. It has made the US realize it needs alliance with Pakistan and long term.

- Trade war: China didn't budge because US electronics, which is American industry, depends on China providing Rare Earth Minerals. The US needs a reliable supplier and less Chinese dependency. India and Australia are saying the same thing. For US, its Pakistan and that's also why the US is investing billions into Pakistan. The readers MUST focus on this point. American industry relies on these rare earth's. So this makes this relationship long term as they want to have an alternative supplier.

- Pak - India war: This shattered the entire West and global imagination of India being something near a super power. The Indians had spent 15-20 years trying to project that image. That brought back new realities for the world. The South Asia, does NOT belong to India. There are TWO powers here, India and Pakistan. That's why you see from the Middle east to America and in-between a different, more respectable approach to Pakistan.

- Iran / Israel / America: Now the US found itself near Pakistan again, Trump doesn't want wars. He's a very smart man. He's talked to the Pakistani leadership with mutual respect by having the FM meet him. So Pakistan is playing the mediator between Iran, Israel / America and even other middle eastern countries like Saudia.

I would recommend readers to read this post a couple of times so you can understand why we think the relationship is now different and long term.

 

[Fatman17]

F-16s have been useless fr Pakistan due to American resistance on using them against India. It's been Chinese hardware that's proven vital for Pakistani defense.

This approach by the Americans with so-called military goodies... Is only being offered to wean us off of Chinese hardware and dependence... Back to American dependency.

Used in 2019

 

[Trailer23]

...for awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to DJT.

Also known as...

1. Agli baar - Trump Sarkaar

& my favourite...

2. My perhend - Donaal Trum

Regards...

 

[mythbuster]

We don't need military goods or military assistance from US.

We just want diplomatic and economic parity with India so Pakistan gets a fair chance at capturing US trade.

This is the quickest route to $100 billion + exports than grinding it out with smaller countries waiting for them to be ready to up their demand.

Trade is not a charity, you have to work your ass off to get a share of the pie ..... with your work ethics , red tapes and cultural grudges against successful businesses you ain't getting nowhere......to succeed , you need deep rooted structural reforms in every sector not just economy .......we need to stop harping about our culture and traditions , that's primitive and pathetic on all metrics.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

A few things have happened very rapidly this year and its only August. It has made the US realize it needs alliance with Pakistan and long term.

- Trade war: China didn't budge because US electronics, which is American industry, depends on China providing Rare Earth Minerals. The US needs a reliable supplier and less Chinese dependency. India and Australia are saying the same thing. For US, its Pakistan and that's also why the US is investing billions into Pakistan. The readers MUST focus on this point. American industry relies on these rare earth's. So this makes this relationship long term as they want to have an alternative supplier.

- Pak - India war: This shattered the entire West and global imagination of India being something near a super power. The Indians had spent 15-20 years trying to project that image. That brought back new realities for the world. The South Asia, does NOT belong to India. There are TWO powers here, India and Pakistan. That's why you see from the Middle east to America and in-between a different, more respectable approach to Pakistan.

- Iran / Israel / America: Now the US found itself near Pakistan again, Trump doesn't want wars. He's a very smart man. He's talked to the Pakistani leadership with mutual respect by having the FM meet him. So Pakistan is playing the mediator between Iran, Israel / America and even other middle eastern countries like Saudia.

I would recommend readers to read this post a couple of times so you can understand why we think the relationship is now different and long term.

AGREED apart from one point.

The indians havn't spent 15-20 years building up this image. They have spent over 35 years trying to portray this image. It's been going on since at least 1989/90.

 

[Waz]

F-35 incoming, successor to F-16!

Back to being serious aside the release of these;



There's not much else aside F-16 upgrades maybe. China is where the military is at and will stay.

Keep it at trade and other nice diplomatic measures.
The thing is with the US, especially under Trump they understand the 'great game' region of Central Asia up to Pakistan, and that they have no real reach or someone to talk to. The only option is and always has been Pakistan. They may have left the region physically but they sure as hell haven't taken their eyes off it, so hence the rapprochement.

 

[RajaBaja]

AGREED apart from one point.

The indians havn't spent 15-20 years building up this image. They have spent over 35 years trying to portray this image. It's been going on since at least 1989/90.

You are right. But since Clinton gave them the economic opportunity in late 90's, that's when they got the world stage, so I used that time frame. That's when the world started to take them seriously because America did.

Just like after May, we now have the world stage and we have really changed the entire diplomatic landscape around us, the world listens to us carefully. Now we just need to grow economically into Top 15 economies.

 

[Waz]

Yes saar I have designed PAF version of F-35 myself. I shall forwarding to president Donald my frand myself;

 

[PakistanLVR]

We need trade. A lot of trade with the US. We need US tech. Weapons are a bonus. Of course Pakistan will rely on Chinese weapons at all cost.

Pakistan isn't a member of QUAD or any other alliance. Pakistan cannot be held responsible for maintaining good relations with both China and the US. Let's make the most of this opportunity.

Why would they sell advanced weaponry that will be used against another QUAD member that Pakistan just had a conflict with? Or maybe these weapon sales are to ensure the US can control Pakistan with a long leash and geld them like they always have in the past. I would stick with China because since the Whites pet dog couldn't hack it militarily, they are working in cahoots to control Pakistan's military options. By all means have a economic relationships with the US but - the current admin in DC is very untrustworthy. They will literally sing your praises only to backstab - just ask Gazans and Iran. It can also be a negiotation tactics to put more pressure on the monkeys in the East to strike a deal as right now the US looks foolished with the 25% tariffs and penalties. It's backfiring until the monkeys in the East come to their senses which I believe will be soon.

 

[Yasser76]

Why would they sell advanced weaponry that will be used against another QUAD member that Pakistan just had a conflict with? Or maybe these weapon sales are to ensure the US can control Pakistan with a long leash and geld them like they always have in the past. I would stick with China because since the Whites pet dog couldn't hack it militarily, they are working in cahoots to control Pakistan's military options. By all means have a economic relationships with the US but - the current admin in DC is very untrustworthy. They will literally sing your praises only to backstab - just ask Gazans and Iran.

They are not back stabbing the Gazans and Iran, pretty much doing it to their face....