US to soon initiate Military support to Pakistan along with bi-lateral Trade growth, the Economist report

[SABRE]

Pakistan must upgrade existing F-16 in our fleet to Block 72. We spent lot of money on them and they could be museum display in a decade. Iraq was also trying selling its F-16 to Pakistan now we can move ahead with that if it is still feasible. The contract for Turkish ATAK T129 helicopter with US LHTEC CTS800-4A turboshaft engines could also be revived.

I have always assumed that F-16s would serve till 2040 or if continuous support is secured then perhaps till 2050. However, some of the "China guys" that have reached the influential positions in PAF are of the opinion that when the time comes the F-16s should go. Interestingly few of them are the ones that have experience in flying both F-16s and JF-17s. Then there are those who find American weapons politically inhibiting. Based on their opinions I am no longer clear on the future of F-16s in PAF. But I would say this, Block 72 would be too enticing not to be given consideration. Attack helicopters - T129 and Zulus - is purely army thing. They definitely need these and if the opportunity arises they should avail it.

 

[RajaBaja]

Yes saar I have designed PAF version of F-35 myself. I shall forwarding to president Donald my frand myself;

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You should keep it. When they bring these up for discussions around 2030 or beyond, we should revisit and discuss this "custom variant" / your design

The thing is, as our trade grows, the gap of Pakistani surplus will increase. They'll need to balance it so the high ticket items will be the fighter jets. No other system exists that's as high valued that Pakistan will be interested in, or, they'll want to sell to offset large difference.

Republicans are business people and now Indian fraud of trillions of American dollars with fake promises to fight the Chinese be all weather allies, has exposed weaknesses in American foreign relations. So now every government will want to show to their people that if they are importing or giving X, they are also exporting or receiving Y, to minimize the trade imbalance. Making an offer doesn't mean we'll buy it.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@mythbuster

You can't put a value , only some idiot would do that....all I can say our entire western belt is loaded with all kinds of minerals sans iron ores .

That is a very reasonable statement. B'stan NWFP is a part of the Tethyan range, which is rich in minerals. It is the crazy valuation that I object to.

Regards

 

[RajaBaja]

@mythbuster

You can't put a value , only some idiot would do that....all I can say our entire western belt is loaded with all kinds of minerals sans iron ores .

That is a very reasonable statement. B'stan NWFP is a part of the Tethyan range, which is rich in minerals. It is the crazy valuation that I object to.

Regards

Current estimates for all 3 ranges is $8T! More areas will be explored as the work starts on phase I in a year or so. 2028 will start to produce first set of extraction results for us by the grace of God!

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@RajaBaja

Raja Babu,

Can you give us some details of the valuations-mineral wise. In Metric Tonnes and USD/MT.

Thanks in advance.

Regards

 

[Fatman17]

What we know so far.....
1. Lunch
2. Trump thinks there's oil in them thar hills
3. Tariff 19%

Rest is just speculation.

 

[mythbuster]

What we know so far.....
1. Lunch
2. Trump thinks there's oil in them thar hills
3. Tariff 19%

Rest is just speculation.

Man , you excel in making cryptic one or two liners.

 

[mythbuster]

@RajaBaja

Raja Babu,

Can you give us some details of the valuations-mineral wise. In Metric Tonnes and USD/MT.

Thanks in advance.

Regards

You can't get rid of your mesnapun ... don't throw raja sahib into googling frenzy .

 

[Fatman17]

Man , you excel in making cryptic one or two liners.

What do you want? A lecture

 

[Toxic]

Man , you excel in making cryptic one or two liners.

And you excel in snorting copious about of Hopium.

 

[LeGenD]

The F-16 upgrade deal come with the condition that they cannot be used against India. So do we really need to upgrade them? It is still a good enough jet to target the terrorists but that's the only role left for F-16s. Although the war dynamics have changed for Pakistan due to May 2025 conflict with India and we are no longer using F-16s as frontline fighters anyways.

I think it would be more beneficial for Pakistan and the United States to focus on economic collaboration. Enhancing bilateral trade to a substantial figure somewhere between $10 billion to $20 billion so they can foster stronger ties. The military upgrades will be subject to conditions and the technology gap between the US and China is now assumed to be very little after what we achieved with the Chinese hardware in the recent conflict.

PS: Pakistan is not against the United States and we have always desired for friendly relationship with them. It is the circumstances (mistrust from both sides) that has lead us to opposite sides on many occasions. But in reality Pakistan doesn't want to see US as their enemy.

The US can revisit its weapon usage terms for a friendly country in view of a developing situation. For example: Ukraine can use American weapons in defensive capacity at will. However, Ukraine needs American permission to use American weapons to attack Russian forces inside Russian mainland. The US granted permission to Ukraine in 2024.

The PAF can use F-16 in defensive capacity. However, if the PAF wants to use F-16 in offensive capacity or to attack Indian forces inside Indian mainland then American permission is needed. The PAF used F-16 to attack the IAF across the border during Operation Swift Retort in 2019. Therefore, it depends on the situation.

To the US, both Pakistan and India have some value. The US is very likely to attempt to prevent war between both. Therefore, it is up in the air about F-16 usage. There are possibilities in view of a developing situation. However, war is undesired consideration by default. It may not get to the point where Ukraine and Russia find themselves, hopefully never.

 

[mythbuster]

What do you want? A lecture

Naaa....I take my words back .

 

[Fatman17]

Naaa....I take my words back .

No worries mate

 

[PakistanLVR]

If the objective of Pakistan's foreign policy is to militarily deter India, then it's an unrealistic goal—even if the entire world were to side with Pakistan, a war between India and Pakistan will still end in a repeat of 1971.
Pakistan is essentially India's strategic backyard, and no foreign military presence or alliance can outmatch the Indian military within that region.

This is the delusional HINDU mindset I've pointed to in multiple comments.

Tell me P&*&#33t, on one hand you are bragging that Nur Khan is an American base that you hit and hence the US called for ceasefire, on the other hand now you're claiming no one can outmatch P&*&#33t military in the region. May 7th-10th showed P&*&#33t are all talk with no fight in them. You are cowards by nature hence the Westerners are beating up on your digustingly looking immigrations from Canada to Australia. Why havent they gone after Pakistani women? Because they know you are naturally born cowards that can either lynch in a large group or perform bollywood dances for their American bosses. P&*&#33t!

 

[Meengla]

..... especially which demands other powers to isolate Pakistan, for what in return?


Oh and their betrayal of global South sentiment by abandoning Gaza, as well as showing no moral backbone in general will be a historical stain..... they got what in return.

Gaza and Iran!
When Israel attacked Iran a few months ago, Indians were not clearly condemning that. Pakistan couldn't do much but at least took a very strong diplomatic stand, which was a stark contrast with India's lukewarm 'lets have peace' blah blah. I have seen even some Indian analysts ashamed of India's stands on Gaza and Iran.