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[Hamartia Antidote]

I think US has a system to find irregularity SSN is no doubt one obvious tool or the taxation number TIN

Was not sure if they are expecting people to carry Citizenship card or other document for proof specially for folks who are legally in USA

It seems logical to carry necessary paperwork with you or photocopies, I mean people normally carry their driver licence so what difference it makes to carry another ID

US citizens aren't required to carry ID (unless going through security or some age restricted scenario..like buying alcohol). However you need to be carrying your driver's license if you are driving. When you hear the police say "do you have any ID?" they usually mean a driver's license...not a passport. Your driver's license number is the key way they look you up since the motor vehicle agency (behind the scenes) already has all your identity info (like SS#) in a database which it can then use to cross reference it to anything criminal.

So sure ICE can raid a business and ask to see everybody's driver's licenses and have it then run through an immigration cross reference. If you don't pass...then out come their handcuffs. If you are a citizen and you don't have your license on you...then you may get cuffed too.

Non-citizens however are required to carry ID at all times.

 

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[Davey Crockett]

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[RajaBaja]

US citizens aren't required to carry ID (unless going through security or some age restricted scenario..like buying alcohol). However you need to be carrying your driver's license if you are driving. When you hear the police say "do you have any ID?" they usually mean a driver's license...not a passport. Your driver's license number is the key way they look you up since the motor vehicle agency (behind the scenes) already has all your identity info (like SS#) in a database which it can then use to cross reference it to anything criminal.

So sure ICE can raid a business and ask to see everybody's driver's licenses and have it then run through an immigration cross reference. If you don't pass...then out come their handcuffs. If you are a citizen and you don't have your license on you...then you may get cuffed too.

Non-citizens however are required to carry ID at all times.

You are mixing two things I believe. Per my understanding laws have changed. Police used to only ask for ID's as in drivers license. Now they can ask about your status also. If in doubt, they can details you to the police station until you meet an ICE person.

Secondly, it's actually a universal law. When any country's immigration raids a place, drivers licenses are meaningless. Their direct question is about your citizenship and if you have documents to prove it.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You are mixing two things I believe. Per my understanding laws have changed. Police used to only ask for ID's as in drivers license. Now they can ask about your status also. If in doubt, they can details you to the police station until you meet an ICE person.

I'm sure they could always do that if they really wanted to.

Secondly, it's actually a universal law. When any country's immigration raids a place, drivers licenses are meaningless. Their direct question is about your citizenship and if you have documents to prove it.

Even if people are carrying their birth certificate the police/ICE are going to run the document number. Again they are going to look you up one way or another. Police aren't document specialists. They don't rely on what you give them as being truthful. It's just a starting point they can work off of.

 

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[Meengla]

So sure ICE can raid a business and ask to see everybody's driver's licenses and have it then run through an immigration cross reference. If you don't pass...then out come their handcuffs. If you are a citizen and you don't have your license on you...then you may get cuffed too.
Non-citizens however are required to carry ID at all times.

With the 'Real ID' being increasingly required for Driver's License, ICE and other agencies are better able to detect the legal 'status' of the holder.
Are you sure Non-Citizens are required to carry ID all the times? I presume that includes the Green Card holders too required to carry?

Even if people are carrying their birth certificate the police/ICE are going to run the document number. Again they are going to look you up one way or another. Police aren't document specialists. They don't rely on what you give them as being truthful. It's just a starting point they can work off of.

On weekly basis I see many '21 year' old entering bars! Just few days ago, marveling at the patrons' young age, I asked a bartender if they were legal? He smiled and said 'Hey, I just check their IDs; I don't care about the rest'. Smart guy!

 

[j_hungary]

Presently the ICE anti illegal migrant drive is targeting people who can't speak English or visibly look from Labour class , in certain part of city where low wage workers work.


The Assumption (waiter had about your situation) about being allowed in country or not is more tied to assumption

• if you had long stay H1B visa, still valid?, the 100,000 fee etc
• You are not a Citizen (However you are citizen I assume)
• Have you broken any Law , criminal offence etc

Obviously in your case you are 100% legal resident

So for most people who are indeed legal citizens it presents a challenge ok how do you not get caught up in the loop of chaos on streets?


ICE operation from my knowledge is targeted towards people with known Visa Violation or Overstay , or no Documentation for Citizenship


People should carry some form of Documentation for short while which confirms their status in USA to comply with law

Issue lies with people who are not "documented"

I don't know what document ICE checks etc so likely people live in USA may know better

Example:
The story of PHD Administrator from Africa , working in USA school system making 250,000 USD being illegal , he had a judgment against him from court

So he was known in system to not be a known citizen or resident

The "Majority" of ICE operations is to enforce immigration law (ICE = Immigration and Customs Enforcement). Technically, ICE does not count as a law enforcement agency; it's technically an arm of the Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS), and both ICE and CBP are under the auspices of the Department of Homeland Security.

The department that issues people with their Citizenship is the USCIS.

Technically, ICE has exclusive jurisdiction on immigration enforcement, and their job primarily is to verify people's status." Anyone in the US has some kind of 'status' and you can change from one to another, ie, from non-immigrant visa holder to permanent visa holder, but everyone in the US legally is either;

- US Citizens (you were born in America, or have acquired US Citizenship)
- US Visa Holder (you had either a permanent (immigrant) visa or a non-immigrant (temporary visa)

People in the US without any status are illegal residents.

ICE's primary job is to catch people who exist in America without Status, or people who had status but violate Immigration rules (for example, work without an employment authorization)

There is no law that requires anyone to have a document of any time, but ICE can detain you within 100 miles of the border without probable cause, so if you are within 100 miles of the US Border, ICE can stop you and ask for your ID if the ICE agent has reason to believe you are in the US without status. If you are being detained, then appropriate due process applies; it's the same as if a Police Officer in the US detained you, you don't need to answer any questions, and you don't need to show them any ID. But failure to do so would be an arrestable offence. But it is upon the ICE to verify your detail, you don't need to provide anything.

There are also people who think they can work in the US but had their visa cancelled, they would lose their status in the US, in your example, that PhD Administrator would have had employment authorisation at some point to have a job. Then it becomes statusless. And thus violate immigration law in the US.

 

[j_hungary]

You are mixing two things I believe. Per my understanding laws have changed. Police used to only ask for ID's as in drivers license. Now they can ask about your status also. If in doubt, they can details you to the police station until you meet an ICE person.

Secondly, it's actually a universal law. When any country's immigration raids a place, drivers licenses are meaningless. Their direct question is about your citizenship and if you have documents to prove it.

The law had changed

Before, ICE and CIS needed to prove you are statusless before they could arrest you; now, they can arrest you unless you can prove your status.

The changes are in the probable cause, before they need to prove you are an illegal, in order to arrest and start the process, you (Standard rule for Law Enforcement), now they can arrest you unless you can prove your citizenship. The onus of proof is no longer with the ICE; it's with you.

 

[j_hungary]

With the 'Real ID' being increasingly required for Driver's License, ICE and other agencies are better able to detect the legal 'status' of the holder.
Are you sure Non-Citizens are required to carry ID all the times? I presume that includes the Green Card holders too required to carry?



On weekly basis I see many '21 year' old entering bars! Just few days ago, marveling at the patrons' young age, I asked a bartender if they were legal? He smiled and said 'Hey, I just check their IDs; I don't care about the rest'. Smart guy!

Carrying ID is not the same as carrying a visa or whatever. Carrying ID only means you can be identified at all times. When a law enforcement officer stops you, they pass the information you gave them to basically two systems: ISIS (Yes, that was the name, not sure if it has changed since, but it stands for Integrated Surveillance Intelligence system) and NCIC

ISIS to see if you are in an immigration watch list, and NCIC to see if you have an outstanding warrant

So what a cop do is to look at your ID, and then pass the name of your ID and your DOB to both system and run a very quick background check, if both name come up clean then they may let you go or they may do whatever they did to stop you to begin with, it's this system that check your status, ID is just for you to be able to verify yourself.

This is the old system, that's when it was based upon the authority to ID you, new system, since April 2025, is that you are REQUIRED to carry a Visa Identification (As in the actual visa on your passport) with you if you are a non-citizen (Including Green Card Holders), failure to comply may lead to deportation.

Green card holders must carry ID under new US directive

A new U.S. rule, in effect since April 11, 2025, requires all green card holders to always carry their original Permanent Resident Card. Strict enforcement under President Trump’s directive means failure to comply risks fines, jail, or deportation. Copies or photos are not accepted; only the...

www.visaverge.com

This EO is currently being challenged (As it's a 5th amendment violation), but until the court or the Supreme Court throws this EO out, this is in effect.

 

[RajaBaja]

The law had changed

Before, ICE and CIS needed to prove you are statusless before they could arrest you; now, they can arrest you unless you can prove your status.

The changes are in the probable cause, before they need to prove you are an illegal, in order to arrest and start the process, you (Standard rule for Law Enforcement), now they can arrest you unless you can prove your citizenship. The onus of proof is no longer with the ICE; it's with you.

There are videos on X where a police man is telling a Hispanic looking man to prove his identify when he says he's a US citizen. And when he questions the police, the officer says "you don't get to ask me because you look like people who get here illegally". Point is, there is no law. Everyone knows the government is behind them. Police is the new ICE. Don't give me long list of explanations.

 

[j_hungary]

There are videos on X where a police man is telling a Hispanic looking man to prove his identify when he says he's a US citizen. And when he questions the police, the officer says "you don't get to ask me because you look like people who get here illegally". Point is, there is no law. Everyone knows the government is behind them. Police is the new ICE. Don't give me long list of explanations.

Depend on what "Police" you think.

Federal and state matters are separated. State Police don't get access to the immigration database; Federal Cops do. Anyone can say anything they want, that's not the point here.

 

[RajaBaja]

Depend on what "Police" you think.

Federal and state matters are separated. State Police don't get access to the immigration database; Federal Cops do. Anyone can say anything they want, that's not the point here.

This was a regular police. The one's running around patrolling the streets like it's in every nation. It's useless to discuss further because you'll stick to your script of only federal have the authority when it's happening down at the local police level also.

 

[j_hungary]

This was a regular police. The one's running around patrolling the streets like it's in every nation. It's useless to discuss further because you'll stick to your script of only federal have the authority when it's happening down at the local police level also.

Here are 4 different types of "Regular Police": 3 of them are Federal Agencies, one is a State Agency. Can you tell the different?

 

[Davey Crockett]