Venezuela - US Conflict: News, Updates
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j_hungary
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I can tell you as a person who did this for a living, as a military counter-intelligence specialist, this is not going to be the case. And there is a reason why we don't eliminate the leadership first and then try to take control of a country.If a leader is swiftly ousted from power, or a regime is swiftly decapitated, this development can demoralize a regional force and help turn the tide of war and/or lead to de-ecalation. As mentioned before, the US seems to have come up with a new strategy to fight a regional war starting with ousting the leadership of the opposing side. This is a FIRST in warfare in modern times. What happens next is open to speculation and some will assume the worst (habitually). Venezuelan institutions are largely intact, can restore order and facilitate transition in power. Venezuelan forces are patrolling the streets to restore order as we speak. Do you think that the next Venezuelan leader will not be willing to negotiate with Trump? What choice does he (or she) have? What if potential successors to Maduro have reached out to Trump to find a way forward?
Venezuela's 'hour of freedom' has arrived - Machado | New Straits Times
CARACAS: Venezuelan opposition leader and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Maria Corina Machado said Saturday the "hour of freedom" had arrived for her country after the United States seized strongman Nicolas Maduro.www.nst.com.my
Come on now.
Most dictatorships have a very strong line of succession, which is to preserve the leadership, to float above the vacuum, so that they would ensure the control of their country when they are gone, there will be no election, there will be no opposition.
Taking the leadership over at worse case scenario encourages people to fight for it, if this is a semi-authoritarian or if resistance or infighting is strong, and that opens the door for any opposition. Otherwise, the pressure is always there, and what Trump did is simply you try to give up being a dictator (which most of the time has a faith worse than death in his own country), or you are going to resist and either be killed that way
or like maduro being kidnapped.
I mean the same question had been asked over again. If we captured Osama on Day 1, would you think the Afghanistan insurgency would stop? They weren't doing that because they love their leader; they were doing that because we were there. Osama Bin Laden was long gone by the time we got to Afghanistan, and that didn't stop the Taliban from fighting; hell, he had been dead since 2012, and that didn't stop the Taliban from fighting either.
And finally, this had been done before to Noriega in Panama, we did the same thing, ask him to resign, and he didn't. We invaded and got his a$$ out of Panama, albeit a bigger and more open warfare theme, we weren't even doing that yesterday in Venezuela. How did Panama turn out?
Watandar
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Maduro retains his grace under fire.
j_hungary
Professional
Well, I don't think he thought that far ahead...
Davey Crockett
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Business Jan 3, 2026
www.levernews.com
In 2019, the U.S. oil and gas giant ConocoPhillips won nearly $9 billion in the World Bank’s arbitration court after Venezuela’s former president, Hugo Chávez, nationalized the company’s oil assets nearly 18 years earlier. And in 2021, Koch Industries won a $444 million case against the country for the expropriation of its fertilizer business by Chávez in 2010.
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Phillips Petroleum's corporate headquarters is just 25 miles east of where I live. Local media, which rarely reports on national and world news, was quick to point out the billions of dollars owed to local and regional corporations.
Corporations Invested In Lawsuits Before Venezuela Invasion
Trump’s removal of President Nicolas Maduro could tilt international court proceedings and provide a windfall to corporate plaintiffs.
Corporations Invested In Lawsuits Before Venezuela Invasion
Trump’s removal of President Nicolas Maduro could tilt international court proceedings and provide a windfall to corporate plaintiffs.
www.levernews.com
In 2019, the U.S. oil and gas giant ConocoPhillips won nearly $9 billion in the World Bank’s arbitration court after Venezuela’s former president, Hugo Chávez, nationalized the company’s oil assets nearly 18 years earlier. And in 2021, Koch Industries won a $444 million case against the country for the expropriation of its fertilizer business by Chávez in 2010.
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Phillips Petroleum's corporate headquarters is just 25 miles east of where I live. Local media, which rarely reports on national and world news, was quick to point out the billions of dollars owed to local and regional corporations.
j_hungary
Professional
This is from the same playbook
An official video from the Royal Marine, this is basically a 1-to-1 reenactment of this video. Only for real instead
ArmTwister
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Forget any change of New World Order for 50-100 years. Nobody has f***king ball to counter this country. Russia is stuck in Ukraine for the last 3 years and here US takes the whole oil rich Venezuela in just a night. China can’t do any thing. Forget Muslims, we are busy sleeping in our slumbers, killing each other. Just one word now.
Bomb this shit UN. It’s a useless forum now.
j_hungary
Professional
The problem is, as some pundit said, this is going to turn some Maduro haters to support him, because you simply can't do that when a country is not in war, what Trump does not know is that what he is doing is upping the Maduro stock, because that Trump did is not just lifting Maduro out, what he did is humiliate Venezuela in the international stage, I personally know quite a few Venezuelean, a lot of them don't like Maduro but all of them said this is not right.............
vasanthm
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Does the US care, has the US ever cared?
Davey Crockett
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What’s The U.S. Follow Up Action After Taking Maduro Out?
Last night the U.S. bombed several places in Venezuela. The bomb attacks were likely planned to hit air-defense systems. But several targets were purely administrative government places and one was a mausoleum with Hugo Chavez’s body.
With the air defenses defeated U.S. special forces landed by helicopter near a place that housed President Nicolás Maduro and his wife Cilia Flores. Both are said to have been abducted and flown out of the country. Maduro was known to often change the place were he was living. The NY Times claims (archived) that a CIA source was involved:
But where were the body guards that should have been looking after Maduro 24/7? Why was none of the U.S. helicopters shot down? This was either a huge failure or treason. Who gave the order to the military to hold its fire?
Maduro will brought to the states and incarcerated. He is out of the picture for now.
But Chavistas still rule in Venezuela. Venezuelan Vice President Delcy Rodríguez is acting as president and Defense Minister Diosdado Cabello is also in place. The government issued a fierce statement:
One wonders what the next steps are the U.S. is planning to take. It does not have enough forces to invade Venezuela. Nor would a blockade of the country lead to a change of its government. An internal revolution is unlikely to succeed.
The U.S. gnomes managed to steal the underwear. Now comes step 2. Then profits. That sounds like a good plan.
But nobody seems to know so far what step 2 might entail.
www.moonofalabama.org
Last night the U.S. bombed several places in Venezuela. The bomb attacks were likely planned to hit air-defense systems. But several targets were purely administrative government places and one was a mausoleum with Hugo Chavez’s body.
With the air defenses defeated U.S. special forces landed by helicopter near a place that housed President Nicolás Maduro and his wife Cilia Flores. Both are said to have been abducted and flown out of the country. Maduro was known to often change the place were he was living. The NY Times claims (archived) that a CIA source was involved:
The human source claim sounds plausible. (The stealth drone fleet doesn’t.)
But where were the body guards that should have been looking after Maduro 24/7? Why was none of the U.S. helicopters shot down? This was either a huge failure or treason. Who gave the order to the military to hold its fire?
Maduro will brought to the states and incarcerated. He is out of the picture for now.
But Chavistas still rule in Venezuela. Venezuelan Vice President Delcy Rodríguez is acting as president and Defense Minister Diosdado Cabello is also in place. The government issued a fierce statement:
It called on its people to defend the country.
One wonders what the next steps are the U.S. is planning to take. It does not have enough forces to invade Venezuela. Nor would a blockade of the country lead to a change of its government. An internal revolution is unlikely to succeed.
The U.S. gnomes managed to steal the underwear. Now comes step 2. Then profits. That sounds like a good plan.
But nobody seems to know so far what step 2 might entail.
What’s The U.S. Follow Up Action After Taking Maduro Out? – Moon of Alabama
www.moonofalabama.org
Davey Crockett
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onlinpunit
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Dude ! Are you for real ! Come on !
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