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[battalion25]

What are you talking about?

Which part of what I wrote is subjective? The historical reality of China never building or creating an empire outside of its own borders? That China and East Asians in general (with the tiny exception and very short-lived Japanese Empire - which ended very badly for Japan) are timid and inward looking by nature?

I have not written even 1 word about whether China is stronger today or weaker. That was not the topic of discussion.

You agreed to what I wrote initially or at least did not dispute it or counter it.

I am saying that Chinese passivity when it comes to the few allies (genuine) they have outside of its immediate neighborhood, is a problem for Chinese power projection. Even more so if they want to/dream about competing with the US in terms of global power and outreach other than simply economics and being a manufacturing hub.

No matter what you say, the closest Chinese ally in the Western hemisphere getting kidnapped by the US a day after meeting with Chinese officials is a bad outlook and sends all the wrong signals to Chinese allies or potential allies.

Same story with Iran and others.

Not being well-liked by your closest kin (outside of Chinese themselves) in Vietnamese, Japanese and Koreans is also a huge problem (your own vicinity) if the goal is to challenge the US.

Never mind, back to Venezuela.

You have been a roll in the last few days.. But you nailed everything you said in this post.

Chinese passivity and hesition plus the lack of hustling overseas is detrimental to China´s future ambtions

 

[MH.Yang]

I didn't originally want to talk about the internal conflicts in Venezuela, but now many people are pointing the reason for Maduro's arrest by the United States towards China. So let me be clear.

Firstly, who can accurately know Maduro's hiding place? Who can prohibit the Venezuelan air defense forces from firing? Who can make Maduro's presidential guard give up resistance without firing a single shot? The answer is simple, only the senior military officials in Venezuela can achieve this.

Why did Venezuela's top officials betray Maduro? There are two reasons for this, one is the struggle for rights.

In 2002, Chavez experienced a coup. After the failed coup, Chavez lost trust in the military, so he introduced Cuban intelligence agencies into the military. Since 2002, almost all activities of the Venezuelan military, including organizational training, have been under the surveillance of Cuban intelligence agencies. This behavior actually seriously tramples on the national pride of the Venezuelan military officer group. Any officer who has received formal military education would consider such behavior as betraying national sovereignty and tarnishing military honor.

Maduro not only continued Chavez's policy of using Cuban intelligence agencies to monitor the military, but also established a loyal army to himself, namely the 4 million strong Bolivar militia. This is not only a lack of trust in the Venezuelan military, but also a serious damage to the resources and rights of the Venezuelan military.

In addition to these reasons, the economic problems of the military are also an important factor in their betrayal of Maduro. The Venezuelan military is not just soldiers, but also businessmen. They control the rights to oil extraction, gold extraction, and even food distribution. This is the globally renowned 'Sun Cartel Group'. These are actually chips used by the Venezuelan government to buy loyalty from the military. However, as US sanctions become increasingly severe, the value of these interests is also decreasing. They are no longer sufficient to buy and feed the Venezuelan military.

The rebellion of the Venezuelan military has also become inevitable.

 

[RocketLaw]

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Is this true? Some says Democrats problem and then Republicans problem (MAGA)?

Every four years - Democrats problem and then Republicans another problem.

 

[_Arabia_]

You have been a roll in the last few days.. But you nailed everything you said in this post.

Chinese passivity and hesition plus the lack of hustling overseas is detrimental to China´s future ambtions

They don't have it in them to be a global superpower or hegemon as a civilization and people in terms of national psyche. Look at the limited cultural outreach, even linguistic. For a nation of 1.5 billion it is remarkable that not even 1 neighboring country is not speaking Han Chinese in their immediate vicinity.

It took a few centuries of Arab presence, trade and military outposts to convert half of East Africa (within a few decades they alone will have as large a population as China) to Islam and for the locals to adopt Swahili, a blend of Arabic (40-50% of the vocabulary is Arabic) and local Bantu languages, that is now the lingua franca of much of East and Central Africa and one of the most spoken African languages.

Swahili - Wikipedia

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To me that will be what prevents China from being anything else other than a regional power (which they always were) and economic superpower + manufacturing hub (which will eventually be replaced by AI - goes for the world itself).

Of course a lot of this has to do with them being hostages of geography (the Pacific blocking them, the Himalayas, various huge deserts) but the Mongols had a similar problem, and previously the Turkic peoples too.

What I am trying to come across here is that simply put, China needs to work on this deficit of theirs in order to genuinely challenge the US on a global scale.

Phillipines, Vietnam, Japan, the two Koreas, Mongolia etc. should all be Chinese satellite states given history, China's size and population but that is not the case somehow.

Meanwhile the entire Western Hemisphere, Europe included, is the playground of the US.

There is really no comparison as of 2026 in terms of global outreach between the US and China. For starters you would never see a pro-US head of state be kidnapped/dealt with in this fashion by China somewhere in Asia, let us say Indonesia (as far away from the China as the US is from Venezuela).

And this is bad news for much of the non-aligned world. Iran learned it the hard way this summer.

And no, I am by no means "anti-China" or whatever nonsense I might be accused of now.

 

[MH.Yang]

China is just a paper tiger. All talk & has absolutely nothing to show except for its economy:

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I don't know if China is a paper tiger, but I know that Americans will soon have a Roman Emperor.

We can take a look at Trump's predicament. Once Trump loses his power, his family is likely to be retaliated against by the establishment, and his outcome will be similar to that of the Kennedy family.

At the same time, he needs the strength of the entire country to deal with threats from countries such as China, and the current system in the United States makes it impossible for him to concentrate his power and implement many policies.

What would Trump do if a group of flatterers kept praising him gathered around him at this moment? The answer is simple, be a 21st century Octavian. This can protect his family from being liquidated and also concentrate power to deal with China.

 

[tower9]

What are you talking about?

Which part of what I wrote is subjective? The historical reality of China never building or creating an empire outside of its own borders? That China and East Asians in general (with the tiny exception and very short-lived Japanese Empire - which ended very badly for Japan) are timid and inward looking by nature?

I have not written even 1 word about whether China is stronger today or weaker. That was not the topic of discussion.

You agreed to what I wrote initially or at least did not dispute it or counter it.

I am saying that Chinese passivity when it comes to the few allies (genuine) they have outside of its immediate neighborhood, is a problem for Chinese power projection. Even more so if they want to/dream about competing with the US in terms of global power and outreach other than simply economics and being a manufacturing hub.

No matter what you say, the closest Chinese ally in the Western hemisphere getting kidnapped by the US a day after meeting with Chinese officials is a bad outlook and sends all the wrong signals to Chinese allies or potential allies.

Same story with Iran and others.

Not being well-liked by your closest kin (outside of Chinese themselves) in Vietnamese, Japanese and Koreans is also a huge problem (your own vicinity) if the goal is to challenge the US.

Never mind, back to Venezuela.

Again, this is your very subjective opinion on the matter.

Chinese empires routinely expanded deep in Central Asia. Do you understand the geographical distances at play there? It's as far as North Africa to Iran, which is basically the span of the Islamic empire. You also forgot the Mongol Empire, which still stands as the world's biggest empire.

It's funny how you want to paint East Asians as a timid and weak people when in reality, East Asians are the ONLY people to have given Western empires a real bloody nose in modern times, whether it was the Japanese empire, the Chinese in the Korean War or the Vietnam war. All of the other peoples, Arabs, Africans, Latin Americans basically fold after a week of fighting.

You have some nerve to talk about cowardice when the Arabs just sat on their hands while the Zionists murdered a half million kids in Gaza. That's the ultimate cowardice.

China is not going to chimp out. But when China actually fights a war, trust me, it's going to fight to win. You don't understand the East Asian mentality. We are a SERIOUS PEOPLE, the OPPOSITE of Arabs. East Asians are quiet and don't pick fights, but when the fight starts, they fight to the death.

 

[Forsvaret]

The Donroe Doctrine is a continuation of the Monroe Doctrine, with slight modifications, of course.

The Monroe Doctrine was based on certain principles such as that European colonial powers were not to interfere in Americas, likewise America was not to meddle in European conflicts:


The Donroe Doctrine by comparison is without any principles & thus following in the footsteps of old might is right "rule" of the criminal Mafias and Dons.

 

[The SC]

Chinese journalist (Li Jingjing) exposes American ambitions in #Venezuela: "The United States is the number one ter*ror*ist in the world .. It doesn't have enough money to provide healthcare for its citizens, but it has unlimited funds to san*ction other countries .. The arrest of #Maduro has nothing to do with fighting dru*gs! .. Because America works with some of the most dangerous dru*g tra*ffickers in Latin America .. The whole matter is related to stealing the massive #oil reserves

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[The SC]

Again, this is your very subjective opinion on the matter.

Chinese empires routinely expanded deep in Central Asia. Do you understand the geographical distances at play there? It's as far as North Africa to Iran, which is basically the span of the Islamic empire. You also forgot the Mongol Empire, which still stands as the world's biggest empire.

It's funny how you want to paint East Asians as a timid and weak people when in reality, East Asians are the ONLY people to have given Western empires a real bloody nose in modern times, whether it was the Japanese empire, the Chinese in the Korean War or the Vietnam war. All of the other peoples, Arabs, Africans, Latin Americans basically fold after a week of fighting.

You have some nerve to talk about cowardice when the Arabs just sat on their hands while the Zionists murdered a half million kids in Gaza. That's the ultimate cowardice.

China is not going to chimp out. But when China actually fights a war, trust me, it's going to fight to win. You don't understand the East Asian mentality. We are a SERIOUS PEOPLE, the OPPOSITE of Arabs. East Asians are quiet and don't pick fights, but when the fight starts, they fight to the death.

In nuclear wars there are no winners.. digest this..and get it up to your brain.. the US is very dangerous..

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[tower9]

In nuclear wars there are no winners.. digest this..and get it up to your brain..

What is your point? I never promoted nuclear war. That's insane.

 

[MH.Yang]

I don't know if China is a paper tiger, but I know that Americans will soon have a Roman Emperor.

We can take a look at Trump's predicament. Once Trump loses his power, his family is likely to be retaliated against by the establishment, and his outcome will be similar to that of the Kennedy family.

At the same time, he needs the strength of the entire country to deal with threats from countries such as China, and the current system in the United States makes it impossible for him to concentrate his power and implement many policies.

What would Trump do if a group of flatterers kept praising him gathered around him at this moment? The answer is simple, be a 21st century Octavian. This can protect his family from being liquidated and also concentrate power to deal with China.

Let me compare the historical process of the transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire.

Firstly, there is a serious conflict between the populist demands of the Roman Republic and the interests of the elite establishment. The political consultation mechanism has failed, violence has become a means of political expression, reform has failed, and social division has intensified. The iconic event of the Roman Republic was the violent execution of the Graco brothers for their failed reform. The American landmark event was the first failed reform by Obama and Trump, and the Capitol Hill riot.

The second step is to use external military actions to concentrate military and political power, systematically purge political enemies, and undermine the structural integrity of the republican system. The iconic event of the Roman Republic was the Sulla dictatorship. The iconic event of the United States is the invasion of Venezuela, where Trump controls the military.

The third step is that social division continues to intensify, with two political groups engaged in completely opposite line struggles, and the struggle is intensifying. The iconic event of the Roman Republic was the civil war among the top three giants. The iconic event in the United States is the intense battle between the donkey and elephant parties.

The fourth step is that populists have broken the political control of the establishment and harmed the fundamental interests of the establishment. The establishment attempted to restore the old order through assassination, but the result was a faster emergence of the new order. The iconic events of the Roman Republic were Caesar's dictatorship and assassination. The iconic events in the United States are Trump's assassination and second term.

The next event will be a final battle within the empire, followed by the birth of a single political and military leader, ultimately achieving centralization. The Senate has become a symbolic institution, and the oligarchic republic has transformed into a monarchy. The Roman Republic was established through the civil war of the last three giants, the Battle of Actium, and ultimately Octavian becoming Augustus.

Let's see how Trump will become the new emperor of the Roman Empire.

 

[royalharris]

Now, outside of obsessing about Arabs, can you counter anything I wrote in regard to China and the original topic which was China's historical inward looking towards itself, lack of influence outside of its borders compared to its gigantic population, almost lack of any Chinese influence in the vicinity and among your closet ethnic kin (Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese etc.) and the passivity of the Chinese government when it comes to aiding pro-China states and regimes?

China's core imperative is to grow stronger. Only when China becomes powerful enough will it no longer need to assist or curry favor with other countries. With a single order—or even without any order at all—these nations will all rally around China.
China's current core strategy, therefore, is to strive for all-round development and surpass the United States in all domains.
There is no need to waste resources on these fence-sitters, especially those Middle Eastern countries represented by Iran. In normal times, they grovel excessively to the United States and the West, but once they are threatened or attacked, they stand on a moral high ground and expect China to step in and help them.

 

[Falcon29]

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[The SC]

 

[Watandar]

Actual view from Maduro in his bunker...

Nice to see you on the forum again Mr Gambit. You had been gone awhile.