Venezuela - US Conflict: News, Updates

[Ali_Baba]

The West may not even need to physically bomb China anywhere. All they have to do is stop China from acquiring certain technological capabilities such as state of the art nano-chip manufacturing — a technology so well-kept by the West that Chinese govt simply can’t replicate it so far.

Technology denial is temporary and only looks to delay. Chjna is such a large country(1.4billion) that it can create its own internal market to help develop all the technology it needs. China has very good universities that educates its students to a high standard, which allows it to develop the people to develop the technologies.

 

[Yasser76]

Getting nuclear weapons might be the only few good decision Pakistan establishment make, we would've been a goner after 9/11 if it wasn't for nukes, and we have plenty of crazies who would blow half our country up, US can blow the rest.
I'd say the most important aspect of protecting country purely from a military stand-point is to get a strong Air force, and get a Strong Navy, we have seen this in recent major conflicts like Israel/Hez, all those shinny AA guns or pick up trucks or drones of Hezbi bois count for shit when F-35's F-15's and F-16's bomb the crap out of them, same with Iran. And even in BuM it was AF jis ne Laaj rakh li.

I don't see Pakistan locking horns with America any time soon, but of course Geopolitics is weird game, anything can happen anytime, who would've thought Israel bombing Qatar, I think our Army Babus needs to understand that AF and Navy has to be strongest, if you want to save Pakistan, because any major power be it America/China/Russia will not deploy troops where man against man fights happen, first the Air forces will dominate the skies and bomb the crap out of foot soldiers, who will be powerless against any air strikes specially after the stand-off weapons.

we need to increase size of AF, add more Naval ships and spend money on Air defense, and of course for Dollars sake, fix the damn economy. But one major problem for us is terrorism, just like a day or 2 ago we have a BRA chap with 2000+ lbs of explosive ready to liberate Baluchistan by killing thousands of innocent civilians in Karachi, how can we progress or even become stable when we have people like that in our country?

but lets get back to Venezuela, I mean they never stood a chance against USA to begin with, I mean US can beat China/Russia combined in a conventional war in their own backyard if they use their entire military might, a country with little to no defense or AD or jamming or AF can't do shit, I mean with Maduro gone the acting President and politicians already asking America for Peace, and mostly like they will say you keep Maduro and do whatever, we will allow US Oil companies to drill baby drill just don't kill or kidnap us. Will the life of everyday Venezuelan's be change that's only time will tell.

Yeah, we need to be strong enough to hold off India and make it too painful for any country (including US) to attack us.

Dispersed second strike capability and strong air force (as you mention), mean, yes, US will ultimately win any confrontation with Pakistan but cost could be unbearable (losing a carrier to our subs, massive strikes on all US middle east bases, and ultimately nuclear exchange).

Pakistan is simply too painful a challenge for anyone to take on unless they are prepared for massive casualties

 

[Starlord]

Dude - Undermining the USA's industrial capability is one key ingredient to topple the USA.

Which is not gonna happen overnight, Plus another aspect is that world respect power and strength, for as long as China will not take Taiwan by any means necessary they will not have any ally who will become allies with them and feel secure how other countries feel secure with America, because if you are friend of America they will bomb your enemy for you, (if you have oil or natural resources) and if you are enemy of US then they will bomb you anyway and take your oil and natural resources.

 

[Starlord]

Yeah, we need to be strong enough to hold off India and make it too painful for any country (including US) to attack us.

Dispersed second strike capability and strong air force (as you mention), mean, yes, US will ultimately win any confrontation with Pakistan but cost could be unbearable (losing a carrier to our subs, massive strikes on all US middle east bases, and ultimately nuclear exchange).

Pakistan is simply too painful a challenge for anyone to take on unless they are prepared for massive casualties

World is as you say now where might is right, you don't have to be stronger than your enemy just make sure your enemy in our case mostly India understand what it will cost them if they decide to attack us, luckily they are next to us hence our strong Army and large number of troops makes sense to stop any ground invasion. America is a whole different game, and like you said we will lose and US will do its homework before going against a country like Pakistan, I mean it took them decades to conduct one major military strike against Iran, that too after Israel literally blow every radar in their country, and much of their AD neutralized, and no AF in sight. I'd say the closest we came to actually fight with America was after OBL raid and Salala incident.
Venezuela is already suffering from cartel, violence and poverty, Maduro is no darling to me but I think that Venezuelan's have to bring change for their own country, US actions maybe supported by some and oppose by others, but what it damages the most is the law based order which US helped create after WW2.

 

[RocketLaw]

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If I remember correctly, this guy - Jon Stewart is also Zionist? playing on both games?


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From this report seems like Russian kit was useless.

Months in planning, over in two and a half hours: how the US snatched Maduro

The operation to capture the Venezuelan president and his wife involved at least 150 aircraft, months of surveillance – and reportedly a spy in the government

www.theguardian.com

Su-30
S-300
Bulk missile
Air-defence

Russian kit was easily defeated! Too many junks from Russia like Syria situation. Come on, we are NOT in 1990s game anymore, we are moving to different war games in 2026!

 

[Yasser76]

World is as you say now where might is right, you don't have to be stronger than your enemy just make sure your enemy in our case mostly India understand what it will cost them if they decide to attack us, luckily they are next to us hence our strong Army and large number of troops makes sense to stop any ground invasion. America is a whole different game, and like you said we will lose and US will do its homework before going against a country like Pakistan, I mean it took them decades to conduct one major military strike against Iran, that too after Israel literally blow every radar in their country, and much of their AD neutralized, and no AF in sight. I'd say the closest we came to actually fight with America was after OBL raid and Salala incident.
Venezuela is already suffering from cartel, violence and poverty, Maduro is no darling to me but I think that Venezuelan's have to bring change for their own country, US actions maybe supported by some and oppose by others, but what it damages the most is the law based order which US helped create after WW2.

Agreed, Air Force and Army can keep India in check. I imagine why we are suddenly making massive investment in Subs is for this.

8 Hangors and 3 Agostas are not a joke of a submarine force. If after Hangor project we can go for something like 8 MILDEM Subs from Turks. That would give us an incredible undersea nuclear and convnetional deterrent against anyone

 

[Ali_Baba]

China have no allies, even if we stretch the definition and context of 'ally'.

If the UK is attacked, the US will respond even if there is no legal contract between the two countries, and God help anyone standing in the way. China have so such ally, either to go to their aid or they come to China's aid. China is alone. And please, do not bring up Pakistan. How many Pakistanis here willing to give up their lives for China?

Yes. China has no allies. China has made a point of making making no allies so that it does not get bogged down the problems of it's allies. Look at how much blood and treasure the USA has burnt on its Israel ally?

The following is a Google AI extract. This is what the USA has "done" for its ally Israel and it has spent trillions doing it.



Has this made the USA stronger, or weaker ?

So, how many of USA's "allies" will help the USA attack China ? Japan, maybe but who will allow their territory to be used to attack China. Little to none, as all the countries know that when the USA are gone, they will be left to deal with the ire of China. Everyone can see the data on the USA, it has all the hallmarks of an empire burning itself out.

Power is temporary as it has been with all empires in history and the fate of any empire is always the same. The USA has burnt through the best of its years, and its power and now is progressively declining. The USA is well past the peak inflection point of its global power. So, yes now, the USA is more powerful than any country in the world and yes right now for some time it can do "Venezuela" and yes, it is impressive, but it was much stronger in the near past like the 80/90's(what happened to all that power ? ) and going forward, it will only get weaker.

Just look at the fleet age of the USN. Yes, lots of nice capital ships like aircraft carriers, but the rest of the fleet is having issues.

 

[Yasser76]

If I remember correctly, this guy - Jon Stewart is also Zionist? playing on both games?


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Su-30
S-300
Bulk missile
Air-defence

Russian kit was easily defeated! Too many junks from Russia like Syria situation. Come on, we are NOT in 1990s game anymore, we are moving to different war games in 2026!

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John Stewart was one of the very first mainstream comedians to consistently call out Israel for many years on the Daily Show....

 

[VCheng]

Indeed. But seeing the grassroots politics on the Republican side, they are preparing their Trump 2.0. As for the Democrats, I can't see a figure around whom they can all rally and present a unified front.

The Republicans are now a Trump political party; they have a platform, and it seems to have worked for them, as terrifying as it might be.

In my opinion, we are going to be pulled into either extreme, right-wing or left-wing politics; the middle ground is all but gone.

We can take this further in an appropriate thread if you wish.

 

[VCheng]

As @Meengla knows well, I have always supported helping people in getting what they want, whether be it something as noble as shahadat, or, in this case, something else.

After all, Maduro did extend an invitation to "come and get me" in August. In fact, he told Trump in that speech where he would be: "I will wait for him here in Miraflores. Don’t be late, coward."

I suppose he got what he wanted.

 

[Starlord]

Agreed, Air Force and Army can keep India in check. I imagine why we are suddenly making massive investment in Subs is for this.

8 Hangors and 3 Agostas are not a joke of a submarine force. If after Hangor project we can go for something like 8 MILDEM Subs from Turks. That would give us an incredible undersea nuclear and convnetional deterrent against anyone

Guess we acknowledge that matching IN surface fleet is not gonna happen, so making a strong submarine fleet is one way of denial any blockade, and you are right subs are dangerous even for Aircraft carrier with escort ships. I think we need more Sq, we are def short on front line fighters, we should've around 50ish J-10's by now but bad economy is literally putting national security at risk, next Indian attack in imminent and Pakistan's ups and downs with America is also always in the background.
I mean America won't take our president as much as we want too hahhah but we need strong AF and navy for sure, because world is just very very crazy.

 

[MH.Yang]

Yes. China has no allies. China has made a point of making making no allies so that it does not get bogged down the problems of it's allies. Look at how much blood and treasure the USA has burnt on its Israel ally?

The following is a Google AI extract. This is what the USA has "done" for its ally Israel and it has spent trillions doing it.

View attachment 170140

Has this made the USA stronger, or weaker ?

So, how many of USA's "allies" will help the USA attack China ? Japan, maybe but who will allow their territory to be used to attack China. Little to none, as all the countries know that when the USA are gone, they will be left to deal with the ire of China. Everyone can see the data on the USA, it has all the hallmarks of an empire burning itself out.

Power is temporary as it has been with all empires in history and the fate of any empire is always the same. The USA has burnt through the best of its years, and its power and now is progressively declining. The USA is well past the peak inflection point of its global power. So, yes now, the USA is more powerful than any country in the world and yes right now for some time it can do "Venezuela" and yes, it is impressive, but it was much stronger in the near past like the 80/90's(what happened to all that power ? ) and going forward, it will only get weaker.

Just look at the fleet age of the USN. Yes, lots of nice capital ships like aircraft carriers, but the rest of the fleet is having issues.

The Chinese Government is very clear in categorizing diplomatic partnerships into four levels:

The first is North Korea, the only country with a military agreement, and it was signed by Mao Zedong. This is a country to which China has explicitly committed to providing military protection. We can think of it directly as an ally-level partner.

then there are Pakistan, Cuba, Belarus, and Kazakhstan (in no particular order), which the Chinese government has positioned as all-weather strategic partners.

Level 1 North Korea can be considered an ally. Tier 2 countries such as Pakistan can be considered as quasi-allies.

Then there are Vietnam, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, Mozambique, Congo, Sierra Leone, Senegal, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Guinea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, and dozens of other countries, which the Chinese government has positioned as comprehensive strategic partners.

Then come Russia, Brazil, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Hungary, Malaysia and other countries, which the Chinese government has positioned as strategic partners.





If the territory of the DPRK is violated, China is bound to observe the treaty and intervene militarily. If the territory of Vietnam, Pakistan, or Kazakhstan is violated, there is a very high probability that China will intervene militarily, even in the absence of a military treaty. In particular Highlights Cuba and Belarus are too far from China and too close to the US and Russia. If their territories are violated, China is very unlikely to intervene militarily, but it will certainly try to support them. By the way, Vietnam, although Vietnam's relationship with China is only lv3, its geography dictates that China will not sit idly by.

 

[LeGenD]

Pakistan is even more important than any other Chinese neighbors. What will you do if USA closes Malacca strait? Indonesia is an sneaky country just like SK.

What i am talking about is what thinktanks of other countries discuss prior to considering alliances.

Pakistan is mature enough to defend itself and a united nation, my point was indirectly pointing to KSA. How can they fully switch sides while knowing the fact that USA will always be there to rebuke them?

KSA is most important part of Islamic world. If you have them, you will have sympathy of 2 billions Muslims. Even if we hate Sauds, because of Hijaz, we always wish peace for that land. Just imagine the gravity

I promise you if Iran had military capabilities that China currently possesses beside its large economy and disciplined manpower, USA was removed from the whole of Asia by now.

China's hesitance and tend to making useless deals with west is a never ending cycle of making mistrusts.

With a railroad from Pakistan to Chinese mainland carrying oil of middle east, China can tighten its energy belt and make itself most trustworthy ally. Not through making deal with Trump.

It requires independent currency, independent payment system and an strong military alliance with countries of middle east, but instead, China plays **** games with Trump.

No offense, but it's the way to completely surrounding of China mainland. Your countryman posted an article showing US withdrawal from delivering billions worth of weapons to Taiwan. What it means, China has made a deal with the US behind the closed doors. At least for an outsider like me.

And its political signal is even worse.

Communist system is a joke honestly. While hosting Musk and making Chinese workforce the underpaid soldiers of AngloSaxon economy that eventually leads to US dominance in global economy, they ignore Trump's threat.

As you know, China is a friend of middle eastern countries. But when this friendship starts to become strategic and a cause for independence from west, USA shows us its military might. Same they did with Russia in Europe.

While you dream of uniting Europe, Asia and the whole world against the US, NAZIs regroup in Europe and Taiwan covertly receives US assurances.

China's sinusoid Ups and downs historically is not because of weakness but only wishful thinking of its elites.

Honestly, ,,,,,,

Another member @_Arabia_ also complained that China is keeping its distance from distant conflict situations. Is China supposed to fight a war with the US for other countries when they do not seem to have a sound foreign policy? China and the US fought a war in the Korean peninsula in the 1950s. The US-led forces managed to preserve South Korea despite heavy regional odds. The communist forces suffered heavy losses in the war and they remember it to this day. Both China and North Korea have respected the armistice in the region since which is commendable. The Chinese are very smart. They observe and seem to understand mindsets in different regions. The Chinese counter-view in this thread is sensible and enlightening. They do not desire entanglements in distant conflict situations for reasons they have pointed out already. They are focused on regional developments close to them. They will fight when it is absolutely necessary but for something very close to them as happened in the Korean peninsula. However, war is the last resort option to them. And it should be.

Fight when it is absolutely necessary but distance yourself from corruption and mischief in other lands. Let them figure out how to address their problems.

The US have cultivated state-level partnerships with several countries in the Middle East. These relationships cannot be rolled back by force. These relationships are different from how the Axis of Resistance works. The Axis of Resistance elements function like a state within a state in other countries and dragged them into a war they were not interested in when Iran encouraged them. The Axis of Resistance failed, not surprisingly. Pakistan for all its power, also attempted to prevent Indo-Afghan engagement but it continues. Nevertheless, Pakistan does not pick a fight everywhere but strive for balance and a way forward with various parties on a broader level. It works for us. When there were tensions between the KSA and Iran, Pakistan encouraged both sides to have dialogue. Pakistan seems to practice what it preach which is good. China also benefit from Pakistan having a sound foreign policy. Pakistan facilitated the US-China dialogue in the 1970s.

There is a Lesson for all, and most of all Arabs here, that oil and natural resources won't save you, a powerful military and strong defense will.

Typical "churan" from a man so wise.
Saddam had all that, he and his regime are history.
Iran had all that, now it finds itself on the receiving end.
People in the Middle East tend to hit first and ask questions later. They are idiots.
There are other examples to cite in different regions. Learn from history. A regional power can endure with a sound foreign policy, not by picking a fight left, right, and center. Don't try to emulate the US when you are not that strong. It is important to understand your options and chart your course accordingly. Pakistan is a good teacher in fact. Keep a strong army but also have a sound foreign policy. Don't FAFO.

 

[Forsvaret]

Like it or not, in international affairs, might is the only thing that matter and Trump learned from history.

Might may be necessary for policing the world in the existence of an international rules-based order. One cannot just use might to do whatever & then claim it was "right". That’s not how things work and Trump learned nothing from history.

 

[Forsvaret]

Technology denial is temporary and only looks to delay. Chjna is such a large country(1.4billion) that it can create its own internal market to help develop all the technology it needs. China has very good universities that educates its students to a high standard, which allows it to develop the people to develop the technologies.

And yet, it’s NOT the West that is dying to reverse-engineer & replicate Chinese technology. It’s actually the other way around.