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[Olympus81]

Thailand has undertaken building of HSR extending from China-Laos, crosses into the Thai border in north east and the line will extend to Bangkok.

This is the first phase with the project under construction, albeit the project will take a good 4-5 years to complete.

The second phase will start from Bangkok towards South extending into Malaysia. This phase will take another decade atleast.

Someday it will be a good option for the Vietnam HSR to join with the Thai HSR.

 

[AViet]

So you say the 1500 km Hanoi-Ho Chi Minh HSR project hasn't been decided who is going to build ?

Whether it is to be built is still in quarrel,, let alone who build it All are just Internet hoax. A feasibility study will take at least 5 years to complete and only after that, can contractor be decided, if funded by state money. And before that, a pre feasibility is needed too, which may take another 2 to 3 years. As Vietnam has no railway experts, the quarrel is expected to last for 5 more years, before any concrete decision is made. So 12 - 15 years from now until a contract is made is still quite optimistic.

I doubt it will ever to be built, and if it is, it will not be 350 km/h HSR, but a conventional railway for both passenger and freight. Vietnam has had enough white elephant projects.

 

[Viet]

But, what's in for Vietnam for him to spend such long time of his busy schedule ? Chinese HSR has a total length of 55000 km and has been tested and running for couple of decades, the world knows it's safe as its records in scale of 20 times of the Japanese HSR. China has built HSR in Indonesia, Thailand, Laos, Serbia and Hungary. This doesn't make sense.

You don’t understand?
China HSR or aircraft or cars have negative images. If Vietnamese use or buy then other will follow.
In the past when Vietnamese envoys visited China, they always brought gifts from Vietnam. You can consider that as a gift.

 

[Viet]

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[2ndstrike]

The 70-billion usd North-South HSR is an invention by the Nguyen Tan Dung regime as part of his grand corrupt scheme. After Nguyen Phu Trong took control of power, he quickly threw this HSR into the trash bin immediately and indefinitely. I remember watching Nguyen Phu Trong's funeral. One day after his passaway, all the mainstream Vietnamese media like VTV and their affiliates immediately advertised this HSR once again; not surprising since the current General Secretary To Lam was one of Nguyen Tan Dung's confidant and subordinates. I agree with Nguyen Phu Trong that Viet Nam doesn't need the 70-billion usd North-South HSR. Viet Nam is building airports in every corner and alley of the country; there is even a newly built airport in Phan Thiet, which is unvelievable due to it being just 100 miles from Sai Gon/HCMC airport The country is also building massive network of expressway that extend to every corner of the nation. You don't need HSR considering you have an oversupply of airports and expressway. If Nguyen Phu Trong were alive, he would have had a stroke to even hear anyone who dares to talk about this HSR, let alone building it

 

[Viet]

The 70-billion usd North-South HSR is an invention by the Nguyen Tan Dung regime as part of his grand corrupt scheme. After Nguyen Phu Trong took control of power, he quickly threw this HSR into the trash bin immediately and indefinitely. I remember watching Nguyen Phu Trong's funeral. One day after his passaway, all the mainstream Vietnamese media like VTV and their affiliates immediately advertised this HSR once again; not surprising since the current General Secretary To Lam was one of Nguyen Tan Dung's confidant and subordinates. I agree with Nguyen Phu Trong that Viet Nam doesn't need the 70-billion usd North-South HSR. Viet Nam is building airports in every corner and alley of the country; there is even a newly built airport in Phan Thiet, which is unvelievable due to it being just 100 miles from Sai Gon/HCMC airport The country is also building massive network of expressway that extend to every corner of the nation. You don't need HSR considering you have an oversupply of airports and expressway. If Nguyen Phu Trong were alive, he would have had a stroke to even hear anyone who dares to talk about this HSR, let alone building it

Building railway, highspeed rail is imperative. Building airports all over place is waste of time, money and resources. If corruption, airports are much more prone to corruption than railway. It’s a dead end.
By all metrics railway is the most efficient means of transport. The second most efficient way is waterways.

 

[ety]

You don’t understand?
China HSR or aircraft or cars have negative images. If Vietnamese use or buy then other will follow.
In the past when Vietnamese envoys visited China, they always brought gifts from Vietnam. You can consider that as a gift.

Haha, I believe that exists in Vietnamese minds. Many of you still harbor anti-China feeling no matter what. Anyways, I dont think Chinese HSR needs someone like To Lam or other foreign leader to ride to advertise it as safe. Its records of safety operations with tens of billions passengers in past decades are the best spokepersons for the HSR. As matter of fact, foreign leaders such as Putin, many European leaders and other countries leaders have ridden Chinese HSR. I dont think currently Chinese HSR companies are really interested in building HSR in Vietnam esp with Vietnams conditions in HSR contract.

 

[ety]

Whether it is to be built is still in quarrel,, let alone who build it All are just Internet hoax. A feasibility study will take at least 5 years to complete and only after that, can contractor be decided, if funded by state money. And before that, a pre feasibility is needed too, which may take another 2 to 3 years. As Vietnam has no railway experts, the quarrel is expected to last for 5 more years, before any concrete decision is made. So 12 - 15 years from now until a contract is made is still quite optimistic.

I doubt it will ever to be built, and if it is, it will not be 350 km/h HSR, but a conventional railway for both passenger and freight. Vietnam has had enough white elephant projects.

I thought there were reports in last December in 2025 saying they made decision on the project awarding it to Siemens. Unless thd reports are fake.

 

[2ndstrike]

Building railway, highspeed rail is imperative. Building airports all over place is waste of time, money and resources. If corruption, airports are much more prone to corruption than railway. It’s a dead end.
By all metrics railway is the most efficient means of transport. The second most efficient way is waterways.

You are still stucked in the 20th century. No Vietnamese will tell you they will be on a train trip vs hopping on a plane and land one hour later.

 

[Viet]

I thought there were reports in last December in 2025 saying they made decision on the project awarding it to Siemens. Unless thd reports are fake.

Only the HSR north-south section is not decided yet who the contractor. Thaco will likely be given the contract for this longest section due to political and economic considerations.
The Hanoi HSR, Saigon HSR sections are rewarded to Vinspeed. Yes, they will use Siemens HSR technology. Construction has started for the northern rail, while site clearing for the southern rail is ongoing. Both HSRs will be completed by 2028.

I give the people here an advice; please listen to official gov news. Don’t read fake news.

 

[Viet]

Haha, I believe that exists in Vietnamese minds. Many of you still harbor anti-China feeling no matter what. Anyways, I dont think Chinese HSR needs someone like To Lam or other foreign leader to ride to advertise it as safe. Its records of safety operations with tens of billions passengers in past decades are the best spokepersons for the HSR. As matter of fact, foreign leaders such as Putin, many European leaders and other countries leaders have ridden Chinese HSR. I dont think currently Chinese HSR companies are really interested in building HSR in Vietnam esp with Vietnams conditions in HSR contract.

I talking of the West, they people with name and money. The countries, you mentioned they are either poor or desperate. No offense, almost negative reports.
Yes, Vietnamese are hardcore Chinese haters, but when we are interested of Chinese HSR or even China aircraft or whatever China cheap made toys then the West is full of reports about it. Trump runs amok.

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[ety]

I talking of the West, they people with name and money. The countries, you mentioned they are either poor or desperate. No offense, almost negative reports.
Yes, Vietnamese are hardcore Chinese haters, but when we are interested of Chinese HSR or even China aircraft or whatever China cheap made toys then the West is full of reports about it. Trump runs amok.

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Yeah, there are strong anti-China feeling in the West in many Westerners too, besides China is the West's main adversary if not enemy yet, they do anything to defame China, Chinese and Chinese products for years. But, hey they love to buy Chinese products, that's why these countries have huge trade deficits with China. Even Ford CEO is now driving a Chinese Xiaomi car and he can't get his hands off it. Let's be real, the wealthy US and EU countries are not likely to have Chinese build HSR for them, US has banned it and EU also pretty much the same that they won't accept non-EU HSR tech. EU and now US are the most protectionist blocks. But things are changing now, younger generations in US and Europe are much more friendly and interested in China and Chinese things partly thanks to Tik Tok and China's free Visa policies to many countries, freelance vloggers can freely travel to China and post experiences on youtube and other social platforms and are having huge impacts.

 

[Viet]

You are still stucked in the 20th century. No Vietnamese will tell you they will be on a train trip vs hopping on a plane and land one hour later.

Buying planes and building airport for every 100km? That’s not progress, that’s economic suicide. Maybe those have private jet?

 

[2ndstrike]

Buying planes and building airport for every 100km? That’s not progress, that’s economic suicide. Maybe those have private jet?

Don't fret about it. We even build an airport in Sapa, which is just a rural town. Your 70-billion usd HSR can't reach every part of Viet Nam but for the same amount of money they can build an extra 100 domestic airports and thousands km of expressway to reach every corner of the country easily in which we are doing now. Why do you think Viet Nam buy so many commercial jets lately? That's the development policy of Viet Nam, more and more airports, expressways, ports. That North South HSR will see no light of the tunnel no matter how many sweet news you hear about it, you can quote me on this but Viet Nam will be able to produce more military products in the next 20 years than seeing this HSR get constructed..ever.