We 'can never win' a war: Taiwan's former president Ma on the best way to deal with China | DW News

[samejjangir]

Not really.

New Chinese Loongson chip matches Intel's 14600K in IPC tests, overclocked to 3 GHz with liquid nitrogen

Still basically an Intel Core i3-10100 competitor.

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In 4-5 years, China may come on par with USA in Semiconductors but as of now, it is not yet there

 

[Yommie]

In 4-5 years, China may come on par with USA in Semiconductors but as of now, it is not yet there

It's good enough. Fun and games is fun and games. Life is more than that.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Really? Then why were Taiwanese & SKoreans regularly suppressed with heavy machine gun firing and mass arrests till 1980s by the USA puppet govt of Taiwan & SKorea? If people were so happy with their ruling, they would not have rebelled. Taiwan government was USA imposed till 2005 and no elections were held for the national assembly till 2004. The elections were held only for last 19-20 years only and that too after careful social engineering to eliminate parties that were not aligned with USA interests. For example, People First Party was prevented from winning when elections were set to be conducted in 2000 by postponing the elections by 4 years to eliminate the party's support.

The year is 2024, and they just elected their new President. Taiwanese talked through their ballots. Anything else is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[Yommie]

By 2050 China has 10 carrier strike groups, if not more. The gap is getting wider.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Their own military + the possibility of direct US interference is enough detterance.

That didn't deter Russia nor did the west interfere directly. So nothing is guaranteed and promises never fully materialise. Taiwan doesnt have nukes nor does it have the arsenal or navy of China. It wont be easy like the Iraq invasion but it will be an easier war than Ukraine.

 

[Yommie]

That didn't deter Russia nor did the west interfere directly. So nothing is guaranteed and promises never fully materialise. Taiwan doesnt have nukes nor does it have the arsenal or navy of China. It wont be easy like the Iraq invasion but it will be an easier war than Ukraine.

China is much bigger than Taiwan compared to Russia is bigger than Ukraine. Russia has 4 times the population of Ukraine. China has 70 times the population of Taiwan. The gap is much bigger. Much much bigger.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

China is much bigger than Taiwan compared to Russia is bigger than Ukraine. Russia has 4 times the population of Ukraine. China has 70 times the population of Taiwan. The gap is much bigger. Much much bigger.

 

[8888888888888]

Well the DPP still stay in power because of dirty tricks despite having less than 30% of the vote.

 

[Sam6536]

That didn't deter Russia nor did the west interfere directly. So nothing is guaranteed and promises never fully materialise. Taiwan doesnt have nukes nor does it have the arsenal or navy of China. It wont be easy like the Iraq invasion but it will be an easier war than Ukraine.

Ukraine was never a US or western ally, it was hedged between the East and the West. Pre invasion they didn't commit to any bloc. Current Western support is purely for western interests when America was satisfied that Ukraine can keep Russia bogged down.
I agree with your comment but it depends on how far US is willing to go for Taiwan. So far they have built a lot of bases in the surroundings areas including Phillipines which has US missile bases. So US stakes here are much higher.
Also one more thing pan Americana which is a phenomenon which has continued since WW2 ended is in direct conflict with Chinese interests. Taiwan is a sort of a clash of ideologies and whoever wins will have increased prominence on global stage.
Taiwan and South Korea are two major hotspots for the west in modern times.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Ukraine was never a US or western ally, it was hedged between the East and the West. Pre invasion they didn't commit to any bloc.
I agree with your comment but it depends on how far US is willing to go for Taiwan. So far they have built a lot of bases in the surroundings areas including Phillipines which has US missile bases. So US stakes here are much higher.
Also one more thing pan Americana which is a phenomenon which has continued since WW2 ended is in direct conflict with Chinese interests. Taiwan is a sort of a clash of ideologies and whoever wins will have increased prominence on global stage.
Taiwan and South Korea are two major hotspots for the west in modern times.

Of course Ukraine was a western ally, a good 6 years before the invasion as well. I dont think it's in US interests to go to direct war with China over Taiwan. Even an economic war between China and US like what we saw done to Russia would backfire tremendously. While Taiwan is western, it was never fully "independent" like the likes of Japan, South Korea and the the Malayo-Polynesian speaking world.

 

[Sam6536]

Of course Ukraine was a western ally, a good 6 years before the invasion as well. I dont think it's in US interests to go to direct war with China over Taiwan. Even an economic war between China and US like what we saw done to Russia would backfire tremendously. While Taiwan is western, it was never fully "independent" like the likes of Japan, South Korea and the the Malayo-Polynesian speaking world.

I won't say they were an western ally, western leaning is the right term. Post Euromaidan pro Russian government was ousted but still the new government didn't outright declare for one side. Post occupation of Crimea did the west and Ukraine come closer, Ukrainian army based on western lines and reformed as a whole. Western support in terms of Arms and equipment on a large scale didn't begin Post 1yr of the invasion.

As for the second part pf the comment I would like to say that the current world order is based on multipolarity and multi lateral trade arrangements. China is part of the same order (WTO/Marrakesh agreement). It encompasses all treaties and obligations member states are eligible for. China had to wait a lot to finally be accepted in WTO, it's due to WTO that developing countries like China and India had such a good growth spurt. And its dominated by the likes of developed/ Bretton woods institutions.
America has moved to Post developed services economy where they have outsourced their Industries and backend services to developing economies. China will reach a similar deadlock in the near future. Japan and SK have already reached it.
Taiwan is independent i believe, they have a national consciousness as a Nation.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

I won't say they were an western ally, western leaning is the right term. Post Euromaidan pro Russian government was ousted but still the new government didn't outright declare for one side. Post occupation of Crimea did the west and Ukraine come closer, Ukrainian army based on western lines and reformed as a whole. Western support in terms of Arms and equipment on a large scale didn't begin Post 1yr of the invasion.

As for the second part pf the comment I would like to say that the current world order is based on multipolarity and multi lateral trade arrangements. China is part of the same order (WTO/Marrakesh agreement). It encompasses all treaties and obligations member states are eligible for. China had to wait a lot to finally be accepted in WTO, it's due to WTO that developing countries like China and India had such a good growth spurt. And its dominated by the likes of developed/ Bretton woods institutions.
America has moved to Post developed services economy where they have outsourced their Industries and backend services to developing economies. China will reach a similar deadlock in the near future. Japan and SK have already reached it.
Taiwan is independent i believe, they have a national consciousness as a Nation.

I think we both have different definitions of what an ally is. You don't necessarily have to be arming someone to the teeth to be considered an ally. Ideologically and politically post 2014 Ukraine became a western ally.

While I accept multipolarity is on the rise, adhereing to international law and things like WTO is literally the opposite of multipolarity. Everyone is adhering to one set of rules, following one international institution, usually based in the West, so I call that unipolarity, or globalism. Multipolarity is when you break away from those norms and form your own norms, different to that, like we saw with the rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia thanks to China's efforts, Russia, Iran and China ditching the dollar and evading western sanctions and the growth of BRICS and the global south. Also the rise in the far right in the West is also an example of multipolarity.

China also loses out in a war with Taiwan which is why it is so reluctant to invade. However it's firm grip on Hong Kong show show us that they are willing to take those steps if they need to. Taiwan knows this, so they too try to keep the status quo and not cause instability. I also would question how the WTO helped China become what it is today. It's down to the management of China and the resourcefulness of its massive population that ought to take the credit. I also don't think China needs to outsource, theyre too resourceful for that unlike the fat lazy Americans who like to have slaves (migrants) do the work for them.

Legally they are not independent and belong to one China, no matter how much they feel independent, their situation is not the same as the nations you mentioned.

 

[jzrmt]

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